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Post by Jelly Jellybean on May 11, 2017 3:00:34 GMT
An odd thought: I'm kind of wondering now if Annie was Surma's bid to escape a similar contract. Like, "OK, I'll pour out my life essence into this new body. Now I'm a different person and that person has no obligations towards you!" It would explain why they're so eager to have Annie. As far as they're concerned, they were tricked out of her and want her back. Surma thought Annie was still too young, but Surma seems ot encourage Annie to help Mallt-Y-Nos and Moddey Dhoo. It really doesn't appear that Surma had any issues with the Pomps. |
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Post by Trillium on May 11, 2017 4:55:02 GMT
An odd thought: I'm kind of wondering now if Annie was Surma's bid to escape a similar contract. Like, "OK, I'll pour out my life essence into this new body. Now I'm a different person and that person has no obligations towards you!" It would explain why they're so eager to have Annie. As far as they're concerned, they were tricked out of her and want her back. Surma thought Annie was still too young, but Surma seems ot encourage Annie to help Mallt-Y-Nos and Moddey Dhoo. It really doesn't appear that Surma had any issues with the Pomps. Surma may have know that when the time came Annie would have to be the one to escort her on her way. It would be a reason Surma wanted her daughter to be acquainted with the Psycopomps and their job. That being said someone should have given Annie a heads up on what was going to happen. |
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Post by agasa on May 11, 2017 7:40:13 GMT
An odd thought: I'm kind of wondering now if Annie was Surma's bid to escape a similar contract. Like, "OK, I'll pour out my life essence into this new body. Now I'm a different person and that person has no obligations towards you!" It would explain why they're so eager to have Annie. As far as they're concerned, they were tricked out of her and want her back. I thought that their real "want" was the fire elemental part of Annie, but never would I have thought this. Thanks for your excellent reasoning. |
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Post by pyradonis on May 11, 2017 13:27:25 GMT
Surma may have know that when the time came Annie would have to be the one to escort her on her way. It would be a reason Surma wanted her daughter to be acquainted with the Psycopomps and their job. That being said someone should have given Annie a heads up on what was going to happen. Why Surma never bothered to explain to Annie what was happening is one of the many mysteries left in this comic.  |
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Post by todd on May 11, 2017 13:45:54 GMT
Surma thought Annie was still too young, I think she had a point; I still wonder whether much of Annie's tendency to try solving problems on her own rather than seeking help from the adults stems from her having successfully handled the Martin problem as a small child, and mistakenly assuming that it would be the same way with every other challenge she encountered. |
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Post by faiiry on May 11, 2017 14:35:38 GMT
Surma may have know that when the time came Annie would have to be the one to escort her on her way. It would be a reason Surma wanted her daughter to be acquainted with the Psycopomps and their job. That being said someone should have given Annie a heads up on what was going to happen. Why Surma never bothered to explain to Annie what was happening is one of the many mysteries left in this comic. There are approximately five billion very important things Surma never bothered to explain, including the whole "if you have a child you'll die like me" thing. Personally I wouldn't have left that for my emotionally detached husband to awkwardly explain after I died. As the comic progresses I have more and more doubts about Surma's capacity as a mother. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on May 11, 2017 16:32:08 GMT
Why Surma never bothered to explain to Annie what was happening is one of the many mysteries left in this comic. There are approximately five billion very important things Surma never bothered to explain, including the whole "if you have a child you'll die like me" thing. Personally I wouldn't have left that for my emotionally detached husband to awkwardly explain after I died. As the comic progresses I have more and more doubts about Surma's capacity as a mother. I think Tom has intentionally led us to question Surma's decisions. I hope more will be revealed, but we may be limited to what Annie knows and Annie may never know why her mother did what she did. |
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Post by puntosmx on May 13, 2017 0:25:50 GMT
Why Surma never bothered to explain to Annie what was happening is one of the many mysteries left in this comic. There are approximately five billion very important things Surma never bothered to explain, including the whole "if you have a child you'll die like me" thing. Personally I wouldn't have left that for my emotionally detached husband to awkwardly explain after I died. As the comic progresses I have more and more doubts about Surma's capacity as a mother. Which would make sense, since she is an orphan since childhood..... just like Annie. Coming from an uninterrupted lineage of women who fall ill during pregnancy, remain bedridded during most of their daughter's childhood, and die when their offspring is still young..... virtually none of them would have a good motherly archetype to replicate after they decide to commit suicide by soultransfer. |
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Post by spritznar on May 14, 2017 1:31:42 GMT
There are approximately five billion very important things Surma never bothered to explain, including the whole "if you have a child you'll die like me" thing. Personally I wouldn't have left that for my emotionally detached husband to awkwardly explain after I died. As the comic progresses I have more and more doubts about Surma's capacity as a mother. Which would make sense, since she is an orphan since childhood..... just like Annie. Coming from an uninterrupted lineage of women who fall ill during pregnancy, remain bedridded during most of their daughter's childhood, and die when their offspring is still young..... virtually none of them would have a good motherly archetype to replicate after they decide to commit suicide by soultransfer. disagree. i don't think a biological mother is necessary in order to have a mother figure or learn to be a good mother. as for surma, i think the jury's still out on what kind of mother (and person) she was |
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Post by puntosmx on May 14, 2017 20:37:07 GMT
Which would make sense, since she is an orphan since childhood..... just like Annie. Coming from an uninterrupted lineage of women who fall ill during pregnancy, remain bedridded during most of their daughter's childhood, and die when their offspring is still young..... virtually none of them would have a good motherly archetype to replicate after they decide to commit suicide by soultransfer. disagree. i don't think a biological mother is necessary in order to have a mother figure or learn to be a good mother. as for surma, i think the jury's still out on what kind of mother (and person) she was Certainly having a good mother is not an indispensable requisite to become a good mother. But having no good mother figure to imprint the archetype does make it terribly hard. And certainly one does not beed the biological mother to be the motherly figure, but the figure must be present somewhere as we introject that concept. I fear this becoming a psychology/sociology derrailing  |
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Post by spritznar on May 15, 2017 13:04:01 GMT
disagree. i don't think a biological mother is necessary in order to have a mother figure or learn to be a good mother. as for surma, i think the jury's still out on what kind of mother (and person) she was Certainly having a good mother is not an indispensable requisite to become a good mother. But having no good mother figure to imprint the archetype does make it terribly hard. And certainly one does not beed the biological mother to be the motherly figure, but the figure must be present somewhere as we introject that concept. I fear this becoming a psychology/sociology derrailing it may be easier to model motherly behavior if you have a mother (although what makes a good mother is highly debated) but your assumption that none of annie's ancestors had mother figures because all their mothers died is quite a leap. childhood to childbearing is a long road, it's hard to imagine not picking up a few role models along the way. i mean, annie's already met anja, you don't think she'll become a mother figure if annie and kat stay close friends? (even jones has helped raise at least a few children.) also, is being a mother that different from being a father? you can learn to be a parent from the other parent (assuming the other parent isn't tony) ((although sometimes being a good parent is about not repeating the mistakes of a bad parent)) but really, i think aside from the mechanics of understanding children, being a good parent is much like being a good person. certainly, having behavior to model helps, but everyone has to figure it out on their own, and there's not an agreed upon 'correct' way to do it incidentally, do we know all the fire elementals in annie's line are women? it's certainly possible that the fire spirit itself is female and always manifests as female, but i don't recall anyone specifically mentioning one way or the other |
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