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Post by turion on Jan 20, 2017 10:44:32 GMT
Here is one thing I don't understand. Why did the group engage Jeanne at all? Why didn't they just all spend a happy time on the boat, Annie goes for a dive, Gigi gets freed, reunites with Jeanne, Jeanne turns into a sensible person, they get the boat as a goodbye gift, group teleports home, done. What's the problem?
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Post by fish on Jan 20, 2017 10:50:24 GMT
Here is one thing I don't understand. Why did the group engage Jeanne at all? Why didn't they just all spend a happy time on the boat, Annie goes for a dive, Gigi gets freed, reunites with Jeanne, Jeanne turns into a sensible person, they get the boat as a goodbye gift, group teleports home, done. What's the problem? I think the idea is that Jeanne would engage them even if they were on a boat in the river. She keeps away from the other shore but as soon as you try to cross over you're shashlik. The same might go for a boat appearing on the river out of nowhere. |
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Post by TBeholder on Jan 20, 2017 11:10:58 GMT
It depends on whether Parley can remember a place near the Court's medical ward/whatever. If not, Annie may have to do the unthinkable: apply to her father for help and let him do something useful for a change. That feeling when you've been killed so hard that all the psychopomps come for you... That's how you know a proper overkill. |
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Post by arf on Jan 20, 2017 11:29:45 GMT
Andrew's still conscious, So I'm hopeful (this could change rapidly, of course)
Not a good situation but, on the plus side, Robot appears to be 'in the green'.
Unless... have all the psychopomps turned up to haggle over Robot (who no longer *quite* qualifies as an electrical appliance)?
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Post by hnau on Jan 20, 2017 12:08:30 GMT
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jan 20, 2017 12:17:01 GMT
Andrew's still conscious, So I'm hopeful (this could change rapidly, of course) Not a good situation but, on the plus side, Robot appears to be 'in the green'. Unless... have all the psychopomps turned up to haggle over Robot (who no longer *quite* qualifies as an electrical appliance)? Kat does appear to be taking advantage of Smitty's distraction to strangle Robot. Not that Kat wanting to strangle Robot, or a robot being strangled, makes any sense. - Maybe Kat's divinity has got the best of her and she is pushing her devote followers into the ether to make her stronger. -- Taking this to the more serious side, I could see Robot concluding that that sacrificing faithful robots would be good and helpful for the Mecha Angel's ascendance. EDIT: At least Kat has her priorities straight and ran to Robot. |
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Post by guitarminotaur on Jan 20, 2017 12:19:28 GMT
Why do I get the sinking feeling that Annie may have majorly screwed up here? Not getting the final record, letting Jeanne heal her cut but not thinking about Smitty, hastily shooing them into the ether without getting any answers... Annie's missed a lot of critical pins here.
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Jan 20, 2017 12:26:23 GMT
Why do I get the sinking feeling that Annie may have majorly screwed up here? Not getting the final record, letting Jeanne heal her cut but not thinking about Smitty, hastily shooing them into the ether without getting any answers... Annie's missed a lot of critical pins here. You're not the only one with that feeling. Not only did Annie fail to get a final record by rushing them away, the very act of rushing them off has sped up Smitty's bleeding. And it's not just Annie. Despite completing their mission, this whole thing feels like one big screw up. Their tactics, questionable at best. Their strategy, inherently flawed. I'm having trouble finding the good parts of their plan, to be honest. If I was Dr. Disaster conducting this as a simulation, they'd get a D from me. Poor preparation, poor improvisation, took unnecessary risks in an already high-risk environment, sustained unacceptably high casualties against a single opponent. They only wouldn't flunk because they technically got the ghost into the aether. |
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Post by cb3 on Jan 20, 2017 12:40:00 GMT
Looking at Annie's expression I get the feeling she was expecting the Psychopomps and is about to lay down the law.
I'm expecting a deal to be made.
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Post by todd on Jan 20, 2017 12:46:18 GMT
Maybe Tom forgot about the final record. He's writing this webcomic on his own, remember, and when you have this many characters and plot threads to take care of, it's easy to let one slip your memory.
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Post by philman on Jan 20, 2017 13:39:06 GMT
Maybe Tom forgot about the final record. He's writing this webcomic on his own, remember, and when you have this many characters and plot threads to take care of, it's easy to let one slip your memory. I doubt that, Tom is very good at tying ends together and having big callbacks, especially to something as important to the plot as the final words were. Mort gave his final records before he lost his memories as he passed into the ether, and all the ones we saw were when the characters knew that they had already died. Jeanne and Green Guy seemed to have both lost their memories of being ghosts and the fact that they were already dead for so long before Annie even got a chance to ask about final records. I think there wouldn't have been any chance of getting them anyway Or else, the finsl lines will be "Sorry I took so long, strong current today" and "You have something on your face". |
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Jan 20, 2017 13:45:11 GMT
Maybe Tom forgot about the final record. He's writing this webcomic on his own, remember, and when you have this many characters and plot threads to take care of, it's easy to let one slip your memory. That's not something you'd forget, I think. Maybe we're just not introduced to the proper way of taking final records yet, could be an etheric deal, which we don't get to see in 'normal' world. I'm really hoping the psychopomps are there to congratulate Annie on a job well done, and then one of 'em goes "hey, this guy's bleeding! Get him to a hospital, girl, he's far from dead!" |
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Post by Per on Jan 20, 2017 13:52:14 GMT
That wasn't even the final boss fight.
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Post by quanticia on Jan 20, 2017 14:53:52 GMT
I'm having trouble finding the good parts of their plan, to be honest.. I got a single good part... they succeeded (where so many others failed) I foresee one big company party in ROTD for Annie! ...I just hope Smitty won't attend as a ghost.... |
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Post by hp on Jan 20, 2017 15:10:47 GMT
If I was Dr. Disaster conducting this as a simulation, they'd get a D from me. Poor preparation, poor improvisation, took unnecessary risks in an already high-risk environment, sustained unacceptably high casualties against a single opponent. They only wouldn't flunk because they technically got the ghost into the aether. I think you're being too harsh... Jeanne was not a simple pompjob. She had killed a lot of people and even experienced psychopomps. She was a such big deal that Muut thought it was OK to bend their rules in order to put Antimony in her way (which, according to Annie, it's not something he usually does). The cost might still be high, depending on Smitty's fate... But team Annie just scored a major win. In fact, if you think about it... Since Jeanne was so invincible and had that track record of totally fucking over anyone who tried to reach her, Muut (and the psychopomps, if they were also involved) blatantly took a huge gamble with Annie's life. |
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Post by atteSmythe on Jan 20, 2017 16:27:39 GMT
For anyone hoping for automagical healing now that the dagger is gone, I can only point out that Parley's side is still bleeding. Bummer.
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Post by phantaskippy on Jan 20, 2017 17:38:39 GMT
Kat!
Who's the Angel at the river bank? It's Kat!
Who has been not paying attention to Jeanne, but grabbing her bag of robot things? Kat!
Never fear, Kat is here, your resident Angel/genius.
It's going to be okay.
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Post by Kuraimizu on Jan 20, 2017 19:02:05 GMT
Looks like they brought an army
Either they have come to thank Annie for the 2 overdue souls
Or they intend to take Smitty by force.
Or they need their combined powers to heal Smitty
As it is through their own negligence
and the court's interference in matters of death
that has lead to Smitty getting wounded.
Smitty should receive a free pass on dying at least this once
if they don't agree
well time to see how a Fire Elemental Psychopomp fairs against an army of regular Psychopomps
Parley really should be Teleporting Smitty directly to Surgery.
preferably before he drowns on his own blood
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Post by Señor Goose on Jan 20, 2017 19:11:12 GMT
"Wow, she really messed you guys up. Thanks for taking care of her though, this one's on the house."
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Post by Señor Goose on Jan 20, 2017 19:15:44 GMT
That feeling when you've been killed so hard that all the psychopomps come for you... "You're gonna need two hands for this one." |
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Post by Runningflame on Jan 20, 2017 20:40:17 GMT
Oh boy. This looks bad. Unless Smitty is Native American, which was never implied in any way, why would Muut have a claim to him? I don't remember it being implied in-comic that Muut only claims Native Americans. The fact that he shows up frequently at a British hospital (he's the psychopomp Annie sees the most of) and collects people with names like Tolikna indicates otherwise. |
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Post by Vuk(Wolf) on Jan 20, 2017 20:54:11 GMT
If Annie was to call out to her dad for help it would be one hell of an awkward conversation, considering that they wouldn't want to convey him the details of the injury.
Annie:Dad I nee...
Anthony:*"U WOT M8"stare*
Annie:Sir..
Anthony:*approval glance*
Annie:Is there a chance that you could take a look at my friend's inconspicuously large stab wound...You see, he had been running with a pair of scissors and had the misfortune of falling flat on his face while resting their very tip on his chest. As naturally assumed this caused the discomfort he is in,and as a reward for my commendable progress with schoolwork as of late, I could get an all expenses paid surgery of my choice for whomever I deem to be in need of one?
Anthony:*"DAFUQ" look*
Annie:*quick glance at his missing hand* yeeee.... this ain't gonna work. PARLEY! TO THE BIP-MOBILE!!!
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Post by fia on Jan 20, 2017 20:55:55 GMT
Two thoughts (1) The arrow " tore through the ROTD", remember, and destroyed records of Jeanne? It's possible they've gotten them back, or that the damage has been contained, due to the isolation of the arrow... In any case, the psychopomps and ROTD have a lot to talk to Annie about. (2) Can we now finally find out what " a hand like yours" means? Mort noticed Annie was 'very attractive' and Ankou noted Annie seemed to have a particular ' desire to claim' Jeanne. And I highly suspect it has to do with how Annie inherited her fire. Is it something about fire elementals in general, or Annie in particular, that gives them this attractiveness to etheric creatures? And what other connection do Jeanne and Annie have, beyond the hairclip and cheek-mark, that has made Annie so anxious to help Jeanne be un-stuck? As to Smitts- I dunno that they can help. As someone pointed out earlier, you don't ask a grave digger to be a medical doctor. Still, they might have advice or pointers, or... worst-case scenario, give Smitts a ROTD job since he definitely died before his time. Finally --- what happened to all the other people who were killed by Jeanne? Have they all been in the ether already? I thought they'd be trapped, too, because of the Annan waters and the constant presence of Jeanne, etc? |
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Post by snowflake on Jan 20, 2017 20:58:45 GMT
Unless Smitty is Native American, which was never implied in any way, why would Muut have a claim to him? I don't remember it being implied in-comic that Muut only claims Native Americans. The fact that he shows up frequently at a British hospital (he's the psychopomp Annie sees the most of) and collects people with names like Tolikna indicates otherwise. 1) It was heavily implied in "A Ghost Story" that psychopomps are assigned to people according to ancestry. Each of Martin's parents was assigned one by default; Martin and his sister, being of mixed descent, had to choose. 2) Tolikna is apparently a Native American name (which, according to the link, means "Coyote's long ears flapping", tee hee) babynameguide.mobi/native-american-baby-names.asp?strGender=&strAlpha=T&strCat=Native-American&strOrder=Name3) The only other person Muut was known to collect was one of Coyote's glass eyed men, which affirms what I said. 4) I don't recall it being implied Muut was at Good Hope often; he just happened to be the first guide Annie dared to speak to. EDIT: Aside: The page you linked is one of my favorites. Annie's wide-eyed enthusiasm and Muut's kindness towards her are genuinely sweet. The psychopomps all seem to be good with children, for reasons that are as obvious as they are depressing. |
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Post by Nepycros on Jan 20, 2017 21:56:40 GMT
After all this time, I do wanna see if Annie is willing to give her father a chance; she might be able to reform him and bring back a salvageable man interested in being there for his daughter. I don't even think she's spoken with him since her blinker stone was shattered.
And I want to see them bond while she tells him all these stories. She's had more action in 2 years than the Court would allow, and I'm sure he would get a kick out of it. Though it'd be all for naught if he were to constantly compare her to Surma.
She's about to get a standing ovation from the psychopomps themselves for helping to banish the Ghost of the Annan Waters, after all.
If this were a proper RPG game, she would have quite a few titles to bear with her name.
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Post by saardvark on Jan 20, 2017 22:56:25 GMT
I think the idea is that Jeanne would engage them even if they were on a boat in the river. She keeps away from the other shore but as soon as you try to cross over you're shashlik. Awesome use of "shashlik"... +10 points! |
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Post by saardvark on Jan 20, 2017 23:31:17 GMT
(2) Can we now finally find out what " a hand like yours" means? Mort noticed Annie was 'very attractive' and Ankou noted Annie seemed to have a particular ' desire to claim' Jeanne. And I highly suspect it has to do with how Annie inherited her fire. Is it something about fire elementals in general, or Annie in particular, that gives them this attractiveness to etheric creatures? And what other connection do Jeanne and Annie have, beyond the hairclip and cheek-mark, that has made Annie so anxious to help Jeanne be un-stuck? "a hand like yours" may just refer to her attractiveness to etheric creatures, which might be because she is part fire elemental. As for Annie's desire to claim Jeanne... I think she felt bad for being scared of her and not helping her "like she did Martin" - she wants to "set things right", as she feels she should have done when she first met Jeanne. In retrospect though, it was probably just as well that Kat arrived... without knowledge of the arrow and how to disarm it, I don't think Annie *could* have been successful in claiming Jeanne for the ether back then... |
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Post by bgb16999 on Jan 20, 2017 23:35:35 GMT
The key question IMO is whether the wound is a purely phsyical wound (i.e., he is injured like a normal human stabbed with a normal knife), or is at least partially etheric. If it's the latter, Annie may be able to heal him somewhat. If they're really desperate, they could bip to wherever Zimmy is in the hopes that she could do something (since she's the only person other than Jeanne who we've actually seen curing etheric illnesses/injuries).
If it's a purely physical wound that just happened to have been caused by an etheric weapon, then the best course of action is probably teleporting to Anthony right away.
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Post by Zox Tomana on Jan 20, 2017 23:40:16 GMT
All the people bringing up final records seem to forget that Annie has had little training in being a psychopomp. A few pointers from Ankou, some unknown small level that obviously didn't include making a final record at Good Hope, and that's about it. And it's the ROTD that actually cares about Final Records, meanwhile the psychopomps seems to be separate from the ROTD and don't *really* care so much for the bureaucratic bits.
Also, with a wound where Smit has it, covering the wound up and putting pressure is very likely to not really help all that much =( Lotta space blood can flow around into and fill up in there.
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Post by Runningflame on Jan 20, 2017 23:43:45 GMT
2) Tolikna is apparently a Native American name (which, according to the link, means "Coyote's long ears flapping", tee hee) 3) The only other person Muut was known to collect was one of Coyote's glass eyed men, which affirms what I said. Wow, very good points! I had figured Tolikna for something Eastern European. Still not sure whether it would be used as a surname, but that's hair-splitting. The connection is probably not a coincidence. And I didn't think about the glass-eyed men being from the Americas too. If they're Coyote-related I guess they would be. That raises some interesting questions as to how they got across the pond, doesn't it? Did Coyote bring them with him? 4) I don't recall it being implied Muut was at Good Hope often; he just happened to be the first guide Annie dared to speak to. You're right--I misremembered. Annie just says he was the first and introduced her to the others, not that they saw each other often. I guess they just had a special relationship because he was the first she met? EDIT: Aside: The page you linked is one of my favorites. Annie's wide-eyed enthusiasm and Muut's kindness towards her are genuinely sweet. Oh, definitely. It's one of my favorites too.  |
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