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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jan 16, 2017 15:53:08 GMT
... all these answers, lost, like tears in the rain.
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Post by Trillium on Jan 16, 2017 16:01:21 GMT
But what about the boat? Unless it's going with them (but why?), will it reappear in the river... or become a rubber Flying Ductchman? My guess is that it's going into the ether and will never be seen again. But if it doesn't... If I saw something like the Annan in real life I'd figure the water would eventually flow underground. Depending on the force with which it does so, a raft will either get sucked down or bob around on the surface until it wears out or gets stuck somewhere. But, since the Court is maybe not quite connected to reality in exactly the same way it may be the case that the level of the ground adjusts back to the same as that on either side as you leave the boundary, so it would then normally flow into the ocean or some other body of water, again assuming it doesn't get stuck somewhere. I'm guessing from an answer to a question that Mr. Siddel once gave (about how Jeanne and Green could walk normally from where they were to meet to somewhere else they planned to go) that the latter is probably what will happen. Junk may float down the Annan so infrequently that the Court doesn't have any in-place plan for catching anything that might cause concern, so likely the men in black will appear and quell any searches for presumably-lost boaters, not that we will see anything like that in the comic. I think the boat will come back perhaps with someone who will be helpful. The gang would not have all teleported leaving Annie by herself. It remains to be seen what happens to Smitty and what really happened to Robot. I forgot that Robot has been a part of these particular events since Ch 7: Of New and Old. Though he was not in control, his body did carelessly push Annie off the bridge. Maybe the punt will return with those green Tic-tock birds on board. That would be a nice callback. |
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Post by fish on Jan 16, 2017 16:08:00 GMT
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Post by gpvos on Jan 16, 2017 16:51:42 GMT
A bit far-fetched, but I'm calling it anyway just in case: Kat will use her magic kryptonite wand to turn Jeanne's sword (which is about to disappear because Jeanne is entering the ether, just like Mort's helmet) into a real object, so Smitty's wound does not suddenly get unplugged.
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Post by atteSmythe on Jan 16, 2017 16:55:15 GMT
Jeanne and Elfboy's final testaments would make a fine bonus page, IMO.
Maybe Smitty's too! Should've put him on the boat with them, saved some effort.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2017 17:15:58 GMT
Taking a final record may have slipped Annie's mind while she has wounded friends to be taken care of. I saw her as ushering her quarry (Jeanne and... Paolo? who knows), who seem ever more blissfully unaware of their environment as it indeed dissolves, into the Love Tunnel with as much genuine dignity as can be mustered in her urgency, rather than handing them both a ceremonial salt-rimmed glass and nudging them into the radius of a significant personage before the quiche burns beyond salvation. The dinghy in the first panel looks like a butt. One time, I showed someone how to calculate the envelope of parallel rays entering a semi-circular mirror from above (homework assignment). The result, still amply disguised, hardly invited a response when first scrawled across the squares (I've never had a careful handwriting), but guess what was giggled about the instant that I had plotted that miserable curve ( click for pert...inent material). Well, it is reassuring that some truths cannot be silenced (like when Thales fell into a knee-deep puddle, and laughed along with the woman who happened to be doing her laundry nearby -- both of them glossing over the moral lesson tacked on only later, introducing mistrust, and deepening the cavity). |
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Post by westwindreborn on Jan 16, 2017 17:31:28 GMT
I wonder how exactly the final records work in the field, it was the librarian that brought the camcorder/walking eyeball last time. Muut needs to step up his game and teach Annie the ins and outs of how this works if he really wants her to work with them. Even if she doesn't want to work in an official capacity, she needs to know these things when she helps a trapped spirit.
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Post by westwindreborn on Jan 16, 2017 17:47:07 GMT
why is elf guy a traitor? I still think that Diego was using the word "traitor" as just an insult, rather than in a literal way. Or, perhaps before he (the elf) fell in love with Jeanne he and Diego were friends in some capacity. Which raises the question, were they friends enough for Diego to confide his feelings for Jeanne to the elf? Did the elf cast aside a friendship to pursue a relationship with Jeanne? It could explain Diego's anger at the elf rather than just envy that she fell in love with another man. With this theory, Diego personally felt betrayed by that the elf would "steal" Jeanne from him even if he was too much of a coward to confess his feeling anyway. Also given the confidence he had with the court council, could he have used his influence to sew seeds of distrust between the court and forest? Therfore driving a wedge between Jeanne and her lover. Why do the words keep writing inside the quote??? |
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Post by Runningflame on Jan 16, 2017 17:51:39 GMT
I wonder how exactly the final records work in the field, it was the librarian that brought the camcorder/walking eyeball last time. Muut needs to step up his game and teach Annie the ins and outs of how this works if he really wants her to work with them. Even if she doesn't want to work in an official capacity, she needs to know these things when she helps a trapped spirit. I was just thinking: aside from Mort's, we've never seen a final record being taken. When d'you suppose Martin's happened, for instance? I guess after he and Mallt-y-Nos walked out the door together? Do the guides always stop by the RotD on their way to the ether with people, or do they have a way of doing it on the fly? Did Ankou not tell Annie about the procedure--even though he knew she was planning on collecting Jeanne later--because he was miffed she didn't want to become a full guide? On a semi-unrelated note, Tom's comments have continued even though this chapter is definitely about dead people. This might destroy one of the Smitty-lives straws we've been clinging to. |
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Post by fish on Jan 16, 2017 18:01:19 GMT
On a semi-unrelated note, Tom's comments have continued even though this chapter is definitely about dead people. This might destroy one of the Smitty-lives straws we've been clinging to. Nah, there is no comment on page 1778. It's still the strongest meta-straw we have. |
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Post by Deepbluediver on Jan 16, 2017 18:31:43 GMT
He's just quietly bleeding to death, maybe has a collapsed lung. He seems like the kind of guy who wouldn't want to interrupt someone else's important moment. |
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Post by Gulby on Jan 16, 2017 21:43:33 GMT
I keep thinking too that the wound is only ethereal, but that doesn't mean it's harmless of course : once Jeanne is gone for real, the dagger may disappear, but not the wound, and Smitty will become some sort of zombie. His spirit will fly above, still attached with some of his own strings, wondering how to come back to his body. Annie will be the only one to see him, and thus, a new quest will begin, trying to find how to take Smitty's spirit back into his cor... body.
And the way they will (because, story, you know) do that will give strong clues to Annie as to how take Reynardine's spirit back into his body too ! Woooo ! Exciting !
Edit : ... Oooooooor ! Kat will create a new body for Robot that will be mostly made of artificial organic flesh, and Smitty will cohabit with Robot ! Leading to him "reading" Robot's mind and learning about all the Kat-goddess religion within the robot community.
I don't know. I want the next page. I need so much more of this story. I love it. Tom, many thanks to you for this piece of art.
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Post by Runningflame on Jan 16, 2017 22:07:04 GMT
Someone in the comments said what I was going to say and said it better: *Camera pans around* *wave of Shadow men pours into chasm* Annie: Aw heck 😐 |
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Post by arf on Jan 17, 2017 0:18:02 GMT
A scenario to keep you amused until Wednesday's reality blows it into the Source along with Team Jeanne:
Wed: From the Ether, Annie looks on as the boat fades into the Source. An echo of laughter is heard as the Light fades. Final panel shows Annie looking down at her hands in surprise.
Fri: Annie walks back to the others. George says she'll 'port the party to GC hospital when Smitty is stable enough. Annie (in true gauche Annie fashion) says that's lucky, as they were going to need a pretext to go there. Reveals hands hold two totems... End chapter.
Mon: Bonus. Red's Friend Gets a Name
PS: it wouldn't surprise me to learn that robot was part of the illusion.
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Post by csj on Jan 17, 2017 0:59:50 GMT
why is elf guy a traitor? I still think that Diego was using the word "traitor" as just an insult, rather than in a literal way. My theory is a little less complex than the others; given the split going on at the same time, there's a good chance he was one of the people split between the Forest and Court. So, for him to be a 'traitor', he probably joined the forest instead of the Court (and was turned into an Anwyn as a result). Even if he wasn't a literal 'traitor' of the Court (literally the plot of Avatar), someone like Diego may consider 'betrayal' of his own humanity an equal or greater offence. |
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Post by twilightfire on Jan 17, 2017 1:57:29 GMT
He's just quietly bleeding to death, maybe has a collapsed lung. He seems like the kind of guy who wouldn't want to interrupt someone else's important moment. we all know his plot armor strings will keep him alive and dandy. Worst case scenario, Kat gets to have some forays into reanimation. The real question: where in the world is robot? |
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Post by seedmagnesium on Jan 17, 2017 5:20:56 GMT
I'm okay with them not leaving final records, but what about the traditional "And now the world will continue to spin" line?
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Post by hp on Jan 17, 2017 15:20:12 GMT
I dunno. I got the impression that Jeanne asked Green Guy to meet her at the ravine after she was ordered to go there, and the court wouldn't have known that GG would be there if it weren't for Steadman telling them (or Diego?) about Jeanne's secret messages. Maybe Diego's original plan was for the arrow to kill Jeanne directly, but after he learned GG would be there, he decided to alter the plan so Jeanne would be forced to see her boyfriend die in front of her.All of the Anwyn we've seen in the story so far live in the woods, so what if GG already had family that lived there? Perhaps he's a "traitor" because he choose to return to forest at the end of the battle that led to the divide, or he was already visiting his family in secret and was stuck in the forest after Coyote carved the ravine and he was deemed a traitor by the Court after they found out where he was... Interest version of the events. When Jeanne "tells" her story to Parley and Carver, the spread where GG and her trade notes seems to fit your interpretation. They mention escaping, them meeting, and Steadman has a guilty face. But there are some points that complicate both our interpretations. 1) Though Jeanne proposed to "escape", it's actually GG who set the meeting on the river. Jeanne's letters are white and GG's are green. 2) Just before Steadman shoots GG, the headmaster says she has been down there for 3 hours... Time enough for her to complete whatever they asked her ("the appropriate ammount of time has passed"). The staff lowered her with a pulley and during those hours they have been up the cliff; Jeanne knew it. What has the Court asked Jeanne to do by the river? Why has GG arrived only after "the appropriate ammount of time has passed"? IMO, 2 possibilities: a) Jeanne and GG timed their meeting for after she had completed whatever task the Court asked her to do. Then, instead of going up the cliff using the pulley and rejoining the staff, she'd run away with GG. The couple were confident the staff would not try to stop them, or that they would be able to fight the staff back. b) Jeanne set GG up for something, without knowing the Court was going to kill him. A trap? A spying device? My guess is the correct interpretation is b, because if Jeanne actually wanted to escape, it means their plan was really bad. If she wanted to "escape" the Court because of the task they ordered her to do, GG would have arrived before it; if it was because the Court wouldn't let her leave, then she'd obviously face resistance, and wouldn't have timed her escape for a moment she could be certain the staff would be near and with their attention centered on her. So I think Jeanne knew the Court knew GG was coming. She tells him she wants to escape. He tells her to meet him at 3AM for their getaway. The Court then makes her go down 3 hours before that for some task. Then GG shows up and, for Jeanne's shock, instead of whatever the Court told her was happening to him, he is killed by a Steadman arrow. I also don't think killing GG was a change of plans because Jeanne's sistuation seems pretty straightforward: her lover was trapped down the river, so she was unable to rest and trapped as its ghost sentinel. If they killed Jeanne directly, why would she be trapped to the river? |
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Post by turion on Jan 17, 2017 15:33:56 GMT
Annie was hurrying them on friday. She didn't take last records, probably not by accident. Kat ran to Smitty in a seemingly determined fashion. Looks to me that there is a good contingency plan for critical wounds based on Kat's recent academic breakthrough. It was probably meant for Parley (Robot will be alright on a new body), but it might work for Smitty as well. Kat's breakthrough is probably mainly related to how the arrow works, but, well, one can hope. |
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Post by ohthatone on Jan 17, 2017 15:58:35 GMT
I dunno. I got the impression that Jeanne asked Green Guy to meet her at the ravine after she was ordered to go there, and the court wouldn't have known that GG would be there if it weren't for Steadman telling them (or Diego?) about Jeanne's secret messages. Maybe Diego's original plan was for the arrow to kill Jeanne directly, but after he learned GG would be there, he decided to alter the plan so Jeanne would be forced to see her boyfriend die in front of her.All of the Anwyn we've seen in the story so far live in the woods, so what if GG already had family that lived there? Perhaps he's a "traitor" because he choose to return to forest at the end of the battle that led to the divide, or he was already visiting his family in secret and was stuck in the forest after Coyote carved the ravine and he was deemed a traitor by the Court after they found out where he was... Interest version of the events. When Jeanne "tells" her story to Parley and Carver, the spread where GG and her trade notes seems to fit your interpretation. They mention escaping, them meeting, and Steadman has a guilty face. But there are some points that complicate both our interpretations. 1) Though Jeanne proposed to "escape", it's actually GG who set the meeting on the river. Jeanne's letters are white and GG's are green. 2) Just before Steadman shoots GG, the headmaster says she has been down there for 3 hours... Time enough for her to complete whatever they asked her ("the appropriate ammount of time has passed"). The staff lowered her with a pulley and during those hours they have been up the cliff; Jeanne knew it. What has the Court asked Jeanne to do by the river? Why has GG arrived only after "the appropriate ammount of time has passed"? IMO, 2 possibilities: a) Jeanne and GG timed their meeting for after she had completed whatever task the Court asked her to do. Then, instead of going up the cliff using the pulley and rejoining the staff, she'd run away with GG. The couple were confident the staff would not try to stop them, or that they would be able to fight the staff back. b) Jeanne set GG up for something, without knowing the Court was going to kill him. A trap? A spying device? My guess is the correct interpretation is b, because if Jeanne actually wanted to escape, it means their plan was really bad. If she wanted to "escape" the Court because of the task they ordered her to do, GG would have arrived before it; if it was because the Court wouldn't let her leave, then she'd obviously face resistance, and wouldn't have timed her escape for a moment she could be certain the staff would be near and with their attention centered on her. So I think Jeanne knew the Court knew GG was coming. She tells him she wants to escape. He tells her to meet him at 3AM for their getaway. The Court then makes her go down 3 hours before that for some task. Then GG shows up and, for Jeanne's shock, instead of whatever the Court told her was happening to him, he is killed by a Steadman arrow. I also don't think killing GG was a change of plans because Jeanne's sistuation seems pretty straightforward: her lover was trapped down the river, so she was unable to rest and trapped as its ghost sentinel. If they killed Jeanne directly, why would she be trapped to the river? Jeanne really didn't want to go down to the Annan so I think if we were to choose between the two options you present it would be closer to the first one. Pretty sure she wouldn't agree to set up her boyfriend. The Annan shouldn't have been dangerous so I don't know why she would have been scared to go. Maybe General Ysengrin was running around with his boys. I would also guess that the Court arranged for the two of them to meet up, otherwise that would be taking an awful chance that she would have him meet her there. As it was, I think it was taking an awful chance that killing and trapping the Green Guy would also trap Jeanne. I'm still stumped by "the appropriate amount of time" bit--makes me think the arrow/device was attached to a spell. |
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Post by Nepycros on Jan 17, 2017 16:23:13 GMT
This event marks the point of no return. Annie hasn't just gone against Court orders, she's pulled out one of the skeletons in their closet. They will be made fully aware that she knows exactly what went down. That arrow is capable of overturning the authority of the entire Court and lead to another war. And now it's gonna be sitting in a box in Kat's lab.
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Post by fish on Jan 17, 2017 16:27:23 GMT
Jeanne really didn't want to go down to the Annan so I think if we were to choose between the two options you present it would be closer to the first one. Pretty sure she wouldn't agree to set up her boyfriend. The Annan shouldn't have been dangerous so I don't know why she would have been scared to go. Maybe General Ysengrin was running around with his boys. I would also guess that the Court arranged for the two of them to meet up, otherwise that would be taking an awful chance that she would have him meet her there. As it was, I think it was taking an awful chance that killing and trapping the Green Guy would also trap Jeanne. I'm still stumped by "the appropriate amount of time" bit--makes me think the arrow/device was attached to a spell. Thanks to your abbreviations I have now dubbed the elf Gigi, good job everyone. I'm also a bit uncertain of the order of events. My interpretation has always been that the Court, or more precisely Diego, did take the chance. He was confident Jeanne would want to escape with Gigi and hinged everything on that. Although maybe it was Steadman who suggested to send the messages, without Jeanne asking him first? "C'mon Jeanne, honey, this is the perfect time for you two to escape. Let me assist you with my improbable arching skills!" This mystery is far from done, I feel. This warrants at least one additional chapter of backstory. I'm most interested in this Steadman guy, tripping over some dog, or something. My guess is the Court will disclose some information about it's history as a result of the current happenings. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jan 17, 2017 18:06:08 GMT
Jeanne really didn't want to go down to the Annan so I think if we were to choose between the two options you present it would be closer to the first one. Pretty sure she wouldn't agree to set up her boyfriend. The Annan shouldn't have been dangerous so I don't know why she would have been scared to go. Maybe General Ysengrin was running around with his boys. I would also guess that the Court arranged for the two of them to meet up, otherwise that would be taking an awful chance that she would have him meet her there. As it was, I think it was taking an awful chance that killing and trapping the Green Guy would also trap Jeanne. I'm still stumped by "the appropriate amount of time" bit--makes me think the arrow/device was attached to a spell. Thanks to your abbreviations I have now dubbed the elf Gigi, good job everyone. I'm also a bit uncertain of the order of events. My interpretation has always been that the Court, or more precisely Diego, did take the chance. He was confident Jeanne would want to escape with Gigi and hinged everything on that. Although maybe it was Steadman who suggested to send the messages, without Jeanne asking him first? "C'mon Jeanne, honey, this is the perfect time for you two to escape. Let me assist you with my improbable arching skills!" This mystery is far from done, I feel. This warrants at least one additional chapter of backstory. I'm most interested in this Steadman guy, tripping over some dog, or something. My guess is the Court will disclose some information about it's history as a result of the current happenings. But the Court doesn't know about Jeanne so they don't have any history to disclose. It wouldn't surprise me if Annie doesn't learn anything more about Jeanne and Green Guy. Annie's story arc may not require her to know all the answers. It certainly would be realistic for the protagonist to not learn everything even if it would be nice for Tom to let the readers have some closure through bonus pages or comments. |
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Post by hp on Jan 17, 2017 18:58:53 GMT
Jeanne really didn't want to go down to the Annan so I think if we were to choose between the two options you present it would be closer to the first one. Pretty sure she wouldn't agree to set up her boyfriend. The Annan shouldn't have been dangerous so I don't know why she would have been scared to go. Maybe General Ysengrin was running around with his boys. I would also guess that the Court arranged for the two of them to meet up, otherwise that would be taking an awful chance that she would have him meet her there. As it was, I think it was taking an awful chance that killing and trapping the Green Guy would also trap Jeanne. I'm still stumped by "the appropriate amount of time" bit--makes me think the arrow/device was attached to a spell. If she set him up, it would be for something that she was told would not hurt him. She'd certainly not set him up for an arrow to his back and centuries of unrest, LAUGHING ON LINE. As for the "chance" of trapping Jeanne by trapping Gigi (hat tip to fish ), I don't think it's a stretch to assume Diego knew that would happen. If he knew enough about ether and souls to be able to make technology capable of trapping a soul — even after its body's death — then he might have known something about the efects of unrequited love on two souls, LAUGHING ON LINE Edit: UGH. How can I virtually laugh on this proboard without being corrected to "laughing on line"? Maybe I'll start to laugh in brazilian portuguese, "kkkkkk" |
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Post by fish on Jan 17, 2017 19:21:30 GMT
Thanks to your abbreviations I have now dubbed the elf Gigi, good job everyone. I'm also a bit uncertain of the order of events. My interpretation has always been that the Court, or more precisely Diego, did take the chance. He was confident Jeanne would want to escape with Gigi and hinged everything on that. Although maybe it was Steadman who suggested to send the messages, without Jeanne asking him first? "C'mon Jeanne, honey, this is the perfect time for you two to escape. Let me assist you with my improbable arching skills!" This mystery is far from done, I feel. This warrants at least one additional chapter of backstory. I'm most interested in this Steadman guy, tripping over some dog, or something. My guess is the Court will disclose some information about it's history as a result of the current happenings. But the Court doesn't know about Jeanne so they don't have any history to disclose. It wouldn't surprise me if Annie doesn't learn anything more about Jeanne and Green Guy. Annie's story arc may not require her to know all the answers. It certainly would be realistic for the protagonist to not learn everything even if it would be nice for Tom to let the readers have some closure through bonus pages or comments. Oh, I wasn't trying to imply the Court would disclose info about Jeanne (I failed). But they must have info on Steadman, Young, Diego and/or the Artillery man. Look at page 583, there is supposed to be a fair amount. There might be something that does not directly reference the soldier sacrifice but hints at something lost to history. And now Annie & co. can fill in some gaps. Or at least find out about that damn tripping dog. |
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Post by fish on Jan 17, 2017 19:46:23 GMT
We'll get to the Court when we get to the Court. Right now we're dealing with people dying (or almost dying)  Let me give you my favorite Rey quote when I say: "Has a creature ever perfected the art of denial as finely as a human?" edit: fia your comment disappeared, what happened? |
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Post by Runningflame on Jan 17, 2017 21:56:49 GMT
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Post by warrl on Jan 17, 2017 21:59:38 GMT
One thing to remember is that Steadman was facilitating the "secret" communication between Jeanne and Mr. Green - and was also in on the deal with Diego and the Court's governing council. So I'm figuring that the Court knew what was in those letters before the recipients did.
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Post by Rea on Jan 18, 2017 8:27:42 GMT
If the "steadman" was sending messages for Jeanne, it would be possible for him to send a fake one. GG would think it came from her and he'd come to meet her, even if Jeanne had no idea he was coming.
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Jan 18, 2017 9:15:31 GMT
Imo the split between the Court and the Forest happened and split up Jeanne and GG. Being truly in love, she longed for him and threw fits at Diego who tried to cheer her up. Her only way of communicating with GG was with Steadman's help, who was 'in on their little secret', but backstabbing her figuratively by reporting to the Court authorities. The Court, still afraid of Coyote's great power (he made a damn chasm with a single paw, if he really wanted to, he could crush them), asked their sharpest minds to come up with a plan on how to throw up some etheric defenses. Since Diego was still resentful of GG and Jeanne, he devised a plan that would use her and him.
Steadman probably convinced Jeanne that she should run away with GG, helped her write the note, shot it out, informed the Court, and helped her down. As soon as she was down, the rest of the Courts authorities gathered on the ridge, and waited for Steadman to do his unmissable shot.
That leaves us to wonder though: why was Diego remorseful at the time of his death? "She died and we did nothing", he's basically responsible for the plan that caused her death!? Where was Jeanne going to go to once GG got to her side? Did Jeanne know it was the Court that trapped her lover? Still so many questions.
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