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Post by bgb16999 on Dec 17, 2016 1:07:52 GMT
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Post by rafk on Dec 17, 2016 5:12:04 GMT
Well meaning though Annie and co are, I can't help but feel all hell is going to break loose because they didn't investigate WHY the old Court did what it did besides being generalised bastards. We know (as do Annie and the rest) why the Court did it - because they believed that it was the only way to keep themselves safe from the forest-folk. Annie and the rest have found a better way of solving the problem (as we saw a couple of chapters back with the fairy's visit), one which the Founders didn't consider (presumably because of their arrogance and disdain for the forest-folk - I suspect that they would have seen trying to sove their problems with Gilltie Wood peacefully as humiliating, having to treat beings that they looked upon as their inferiors as equals). And before we try justifiying the Founders' actions, let's not forget that the forest-folk have reasons to be angry at the Court, deeper than just "they're nasty and savage". The Founders apparently weren't good neighbors to the forest-folk (Coyote mentioned that the humans were trying to "tame" the forest-folk - perhaps as in trying to enslave them). And the forest-folk are probably uneasy about the Court's experiments (and with good cause - I still suspect that the Court is meddling with things that it doesn't understand and shouldn't be tampered with). I think that's going to turn out to be a very superficial view of the Court. Coyote is very powerful and we've seen him manipulate and then erase memories from his most faithful lieutenant. He is NOT nice. The Court strikes me as the sorts to be contemptuous, not fearful, of the Forest creatures. It's Coyote they fear, and Coyote who this was aimed at, perhaps with very good reason indeed. |
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Post by youwiththeface on Dec 17, 2016 8:14:37 GMT
We know (as do Annie and the rest) why the Court did it - because they believed that it was the only way to keep themselves safe from the forest-folk. Annie and the rest have found a better way of solving the problem (as we saw a couple of chapters back with the fairy's visit), one which the Founders didn't consider (presumably because of their arrogance and disdain for the forest-folk - I suspect that they would have seen trying to sove their problems with Gilltie Wood peacefully as humiliating, having to treat beings that they looked upon as their inferiors as equals). And before we try justifiying the Founders' actions, let's not forget that the forest-folk have reasons to be angry at the Court, deeper than just "they're nasty and savage". The Founders apparently weren't good neighbors to the forest-folk (Coyote mentioned that the humans were trying to "tame" the forest-folk - perhaps as in trying to enslave them). And the forest-folk are probably uneasy about the Court's experiments (and with good cause - I still suspect that the Court is meddling with things that it doesn't understand and shouldn't be tampered with). I think that's going to turn out to be a very superficial view of the Court. Coyote is very powerful and we've seen him manipulate and then erase memories from his most faithful lieutenant. He is NOT nice. The Court strikes me as the sorts to be contemptuous, not fearful, of the Forest creatures. It's Coyote they fear, and Coyote who this was aimed at, perhaps with very good reason indeed. ...I can't remember, is there anything that stops Coyote from just coming into the court and breaking shit any time he wants the way he did in Meetings and Re-meetings? |
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Post by keef on Dec 17, 2016 13:49:26 GMT
Also, what happened to the Green Man's spirit? Possibly he is: - still in the arrow.
- waiting for Jeanne at the other shore.
- looking for Jeanne, angry, because he thinks she betrayed him.
- looking for Jeanne to give her her heart, which he holds in his hand.
- hoovering over the boat, to ask Annie and Kat some questions.
- drinking himself unconscious at the nearest pub, as you do when you're released from jail.
I guess Kat needs to do something to that container, to "switch off" the arrow before he is completely free. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Dec 17, 2016 16:20:31 GMT
I think that's going to turn out to be a very superficial view of the Court. Coyote is very powerful and we've seen him manipulate and then erase memories from his most faithful lieutenant. He is NOT nice. The Court strikes me as the sorts to be contemptuous, not fearful, of the Forest creatures. It's Coyote they fear, and Coyote who this was aimed at, perhaps with very good reason indeed. ...I can't remember, is there anything that stops Coyote from just coming into the court and breaking shit any time he wants the way he did in Meetings and Re-meetings? . It is much more interesting and fun to trick people while keeping promises and not lying. In meetings and Re-Meeetings, Coyote knocked a building over, but there is no indication he hurt anyone. I personally think the Court rolled over so quickly (and threw Anthony under the bus) because of the threat or possibility that the Court abrogated Coyote's promise by keeping the Forest Medium and Honorary Citizen of the Forest from the Forest. |
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Post by ezaric on Dec 17, 2016 17:18:09 GMT
Lets take that plot line.... And
put
it
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Post by warrl on Dec 17, 2016 17:58:38 GMT
It is much more interesting and fun to trick people while keeping promises and not lying. For an example of this, see the latest in the adventures of Catherine Foundling. (that link goes to one chapter of a serial story which, unfortunately, is being presented in a blog format.) |
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Post by cb3 on Dec 17, 2016 18:24:34 GMT
The Court were the ones who put her down there in the first place. They're using her as a tool to protect the Court from the forest, so they want her down there. The ones that lost their lives to her were forest creatures who went to challenge her, and the psychopomp. They're probably going to be pissed when they find out what Annie and the gang did. Also, I don't think the council of douchebags that put her down there in the first place left a record of their actions. In fact, according to my admittedly flawed recollection, they actively strove to erase any knowledge of it. Except Diego, who regretted his actions, and left a living record in his robots. Which makes me wonder if the modern day Court will do anything to punish Annie, Kat et al. Do they know anything about the original episode to make them want to keep Jeanne imprisoned in the ravine? We know the Court can track the students through their food, that the bridge is lined with tic-tocs, maybe the Court isn't intervening because they see no need to. Perhaps the response will be "You've removed the rage ghost? Oh well done. We don't know where she came from but she certainly was a PITA". **ducks** |
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Post by bgb16999 on Dec 17, 2016 19:59:04 GMT
Also, I don't think the council of douchebags that put her down there in the first place left a record of their actions. In fact, according to my admittedly flawed recollection, they actively strove to erase any knowledge of it. Except Diego, who regretted his actions, and left a living record in his robots. Which makes me wonder if the modern day Court will do anything to punish Annie, Kat et al. Do they know anything about the original episode to make them want to keep Jeanne imprisoned in the ravine? We know the Court can track the students through their food, that the bridge is lined with tic-tocs, maybe the Court isn't intervening because they see no need to. Perhaps the response will be "You've removed the rage ghost? Oh well done. We don't know where she came from but she certainly was a PITA". **ducks** While they can track the students through food, the precense of tic-tocs wouldn't necessarily give the Court any additional information on Annie et. al.'s actions, since they don't even know where the tic-tocs come from, and haven't been able to capture one. Or, at least, Anja doesn't know where they come from. I suppose it's possible that someone higher up in the Court hierarchy knows more about the tic-tocs than the low-level Court employees. |
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Post by fish on Dec 17, 2016 23:29:25 GMT
You guys taking about the Tictocs makes me anxious to see them again, and it is high time for them to appear in my humble opinion. According to louisxiv 's index the last time they were mentioned was page 646, more than half the story ago. And their last actual appearance was page 277. So if the Tictocs do not a) appear at the climax of this chapter to save the day, b) appear at the end of this chapter heralding something ominous or c) are somehow involved in the following chapter, I will be extremely confused. Of course, now that I've said this the law of the dart board dictates that none of these predictions are likely to happen...  |
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Post by todd on Dec 18, 2016 0:16:30 GMT
If it wasn't for the fact that we saw a Tictoc in the present-day in Chapter Eleven, I'd have supposed that they all left the Court, never to return, after rescuing Annie in Chapter Eight with a tone of "Our work here is done" - that their whole purpose had been purely for that moment.
Though, from a storytelling point of view, it would seem strange that something that significant in the early chapters would fade out like that so early in the story. So I assume that they'll have to come back at some point.
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Post by Zox Tomana on Dec 18, 2016 4:04:55 GMT
Which makes me wonder if the modern day Court will do anything to punish Annie, Kat et al. Do they know anything about the original episode to make them want to keep Jeanne imprisoned in the ravine? We know the Court can track the students through their food, that the bridge is lined with tic-tocs, maybe the Court isn't intervening because they see no need to. Perhaps the response will be "You've removed the rage ghost? Oh well done. We don't know where she came from but she certainly was a PITA". **ducks** While they can track the students through food, the precense of tic-tocs wouldn't necessarily give the Court any additional information on Annie et. al.'s actions, since they don't even know where the tic-tocs come from, and haven't been able to capture one. Or, at least, Anja doesn't know where they come from. I suppose it's possible that someone higher up in the Court hierarchy knows more about the tic-tocs than the low-level Court employees. Well, not only does Anja not know where they're from, the Robots have stated that Diego didn't make the Tic-Tocs, so it's possible even the Founders had no idea what was up with the Tic-Tocs. |
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Post by bgb16999 on Dec 18, 2016 6:02:48 GMT
If it wasn't for the fact that we saw a Tictoc in the present-day in Chapter Eleven, I'd have supposed that they all left the Court, never to return, after rescuing Annie in Chapter Eight with a tone of "Our work here is done" - that their whole purpose had been purely for that moment. Though, from a storytelling point of view, it would seem strange that something that significant in the early chapters would fade out like that so early in the story. So I assume that they'll have to come back at some point. Well, they predate the Court (according to the robots), so I expect that the real meaning behind the tic-tocs, if it is ever revealed, will be connected either to the origin of the Court, or to the Court's "real objective," whatever that is. Considering that Ysendrin lied about the timing of when he found the tic-toc in the forest, I wouldn't be surprised if Ysendrin knew considerably more about the tic-tocs than the Court (or at least the lower-level Court employees). Maybe now, or soon, Ysendrin will trust Annie enough to tell her what really happened after Kat rescued her in chapter eight. While they can track the students through food, the precense of tic-tocs wouldn't necessarily give the Court any additional information on Annie et. al.'s actions, since they don't even know where the tic-tocs come from, and haven't been able to capture one. Or, at least, Anja doesn't know where they come from. I suppose it's possible that someone higher up in the Court hierarchy knows more about the tic-tocs than the low-level Court employees. Well, not only does Anja not know where they're from, the Robots have stated that Diego didn't make the Tic-Tocs, so it's possible even the Founders had no idea what was up with the Tic-Tocs. It's possible, yea. It's also possible that the founders did find out, but kept it hidden from future generations for some reason. Or that the founders didn't know what the tic-tocs were, but subsequent Court researchers have discovered more about them and just kept it secret from all but the top people of the Court. No matter what, there's a whole lot more that we don't know, which certainly makes this story more exciting  |
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Post by Sauzels on Dec 18, 2016 13:55:00 GMT
Welp, problem solved permanently forever. Good work, team, time to head on back. Considering that Ysendrin lied about the timing of when he found the tic-toc in the forest, I wouldn't be surprised if Ysendrin knew considerably more about the tic-tocs than the Court (or at least the lower-level Court employees). Maybe now, or soon, Ysendrin will trust Annie enough to tell her what really happened after Kat rescued her in chapter eight. ...Unless of course Coyote erased Ysengrin's memory of planting the tic-toc there. Ysengrin doesn't seem like he's too bright in the deception department, as I think the next few pages are supposed to highlight. Now I'm expecting an exchange where Red and her friend meet Ysengrin and ask him if he remembers "helping" them pass the test and Ysengrin being thoroughly confused. |
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Post by rafk on Jan 20, 2017 9:12:20 GMT
Welp, problem solved permanently forever. Good work, team, time to head on back. Considering that Ysendrin lied about the timing of when he found the tic-toc in the forest, I wouldn't be surprised if Ysendrin knew considerably more about the tic-tocs than the Court (or at least the lower-level Court employees). Maybe now, or soon, Ysendrin will trust Annie enough to tell her what really happened after Kat rescued her in chapter eight. ...Unless of course Coyote erased Ysengrin's memory of planting the tic-toc there. Ysengrin doesn't seem like he's too bright in the deception department, as I think the next few pages are supposed to highlight. Now I'm expecting an exchange where Red and her friend meet Ysengrin and ask him if he remembers "helping" them pass the test and Ysengrin being thoroughly confused. That could happen, exactly the kind of hole in Coyote's deception he might overlook since ordinarily those faeries would never see Yssy again. |
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