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Post by davidm on Sept 2, 2016 17:40:27 GMT
We are dealing with a fairy that can cause a ghost to think she is a girl, and add faceless people in background. It may be (a) robot, or it may be fairy's ability to read minds and know what the target hates most and use that as a distraction. This whole think could be last ditch illusion to keep Jeanne occupied in which case the illusion may pop and reality may come after.
If it is (a) robot, one extra option is Smitty has a way of bringing out whatever is needed by each of a horde of forest creatures.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 2, 2016 19:58:33 GMT
After thinking about it for a while I'm interested that Jeanne's "sword" cut through some of the blue one's illusion. That would pair up with the Coyote-like eye imagery in #1715 which I suppose means that she's looking deeper/into more places than she's present (though not off into infinity as Coyote is represented). |
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Post by birdwhisperer on Sept 2, 2016 21:04:33 GMT
One thing I forgot to learn after keeping up with both the comic and the forums— never underestimate the forum's intuition. I thought that the idea of it being Robot was totally far-fetched, but you never know! Especially with Tom. I think it's more a case of throw enough crazy ideas at the wall and ONE of them will be right. EDIT: saying that though, cookies for those who did say it was Robot in a wig... There's definitely a lot of random guessing going on, but I wouldn't say this is an example of it. The fencer on this is page ( www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1717 ) is very similar to how Robot appeared on this page ( www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=956 ). Sure, it could be any fencing stance but the way it was drawn definitely seemed like a call back to that chapter. The the pose in the middle panel is practically identical on both pages, the form is very sharp and precise, the eyes are in strange places, even the skin color is the same metallic gray. Obviously if we had been wrong this would have seemed like random coincidence, but it's pretty clear now that Tom was intentionally making this guy resemble Robot. Which is one of the things I love about GK. While reading it, a lot of the events can seem like totally crazy plot twists that no one saw coming, but Tom had it all under control the whole time. The clues are always there, it just takes a dart board to pick them out.  Also, I think this is the Robot, or a projection of him. If this were a different Robot entirely I'm not sure why it would be made to look exactly like Robot. (Barring that extra line on his face, which is easily explained as Kat upgrades.) |
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Post by arf on Sept 2, 2016 23:23:55 GMT
While it's Robot we see, it wouldn't surprise me to discover it's a visual illusion (drawn by Blue from George's memories, perhaps?) I still have a suspicion that Jeanne is fighting her bound spectral self.
As always, we shall see.
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Post by TBeholder on Sept 2, 2016 23:53:11 GMT
Probably some kind of etheric shenanigans caused by (1)Blue's power, (2)whatever is trapping Jeane down there and (3)George's memories of robot. Or Kat's. She is close, after all. |
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Post by QuotePilgrim on Sept 3, 2016 2:37:28 GMT
Doesn't Robot have green "eyes", not red? All robots have three modes of eye colour: green, orange and red. It's something like a "danger scale", I think. My interpretation is green: "Everything's fine", orange: "danger close by, activate defences", red: "imminent danger, engage in combat!". Or someting like that. It's best illustrated on pages 1129 and 1130, but we've seen other instances. Yeah, the "danger scale" thing is the main reason a robot’s eyes change color in pretty much any work of fiction that includes robots. Good job finding an in-comic example; I suspected it must have happened before but I didn’t want to go back and check, specially because I’d probably fail to find it anyway. Jeanne's dress was red in previous panels, and it's about the same color as his eyes. Not really, no. I’d say that Jeanne’s dress is positively red, and I’d still argue Robot’s eyes are definitely orange. That is, even if they were supposed to be red in-universe, the color they appear in the page is inequivocably orange. Maybe it’s the fact that I work a lot with colors, and/or the fact that my color vision is quite a bit above average (to the point I could easily identify 5 different shades of red where my brother – and most other people – could only see three, and just barely), but the color in Robot’s eye doesn’t look remotely similar to the color of Jeanne’s dress to me (anymore than orange looks similar to red, of course), and it certainly doesn’t look red. You see, it’s not a matter of how intense the colors are. It’s a matter of hue. Even if the colors are faded out, it’s still easy to identify the hue. If for some reason you don’t trust my eyes, I can show you some numbers. If you use a color picker on this page to check the values of multiple points in both Robot’s eye and Jeanne’s dress, you’ll find that the hue in the dress is closer to 0 (which is pure red) than Robot’s eye, which is consistently somewhere around 20 (which is, of course, orange). The lower value I actually got from the dress was 4, while in Robot’s eye I couldn’t find a single pixel with a hue below 18. The most interesting thing, though, is what happens when you run the "posterize" filter on the image. The filter works essentially by averaging out the values of all the pixels over areas that have roughly the same color. When you run the filter in this particular page, the color it assigns to most of Jeanne’s dress has a hue of exactly 0, which as I said before, is the hue of pure red. The hue it gives to Robot’s eye? 30. In fact, any color-reducing algorithm will give a hue that is closer to orange for Robot’s eye, though the difference in hues can be less significant, depending on what you use. |
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Post by calpal on Sept 3, 2016 3:08:25 GMT
It's a robot, not necessarily the Robot. That being said, it could be Robot because Parley is there. She has dueled with him, and that could be creeping into the Bluniverse as a representation of Diego's creation. Well actually, it IS Robot. The face design on this pages matches perfectly with what we've seen of Robot before. And secondly, no, Robot has never faced Jeanne before. Parley did, and Robot was training with Parley before; he also led other robots into her shrine, which was within the combat arena under Kat's warehouse; but Robot himself has never been directly face-to-face with Jeanne before. This would be the first time ever. And as a side note, I am super-excited to see Robot and Parley vs. Jeanne in a swordfight. |
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Post by Per on Sept 3, 2016 17:16:13 GMT
The last panel fits well with this explanation, if you interpret it as cutting through the sim. "Jeanneface broke the sim!" Leave it to Tom to come up with the answer that most complicates things. Or it's more like simply starting to uncover the pieces of an unspoken plan that will give us suspense while at the same time making us accept that ultimately the plan was doomed to succeed. After Robot, Basil, Bud, dickcharney, horsebot, Ysengrin and the verification bat will all appear to spar with Jeanne in turn, buying enough time through the power of tag-teaming that Annie and Kat can pull off their stuff. PS. My dart of ghosty elf-guy appearing while Annie reaches for the arrow could technically totally still happen!!! asdf |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2016 18:28:10 GMT
I see no way of how "Blue" should know that Robot is such a skilled fencer. The intrusion of Robot in the vague guise of Tony (or his haircut and distinctly-shaped ear, at any rate) must stem from Antimony; the green arrow, through haptic feedback, appears to link back to her loved ones and makes them intrude upon Jeanne's ethereal vision.
Perhaps, under the influence of the arrow, Jeanne sees exactly the disfigured image of herself that her spectral form expresses, but as though her lover would perceive her thus. After all, it was Tony's judgment that immersed Annie in feelings of guilt (and anger) more than anyone else's; Renard did not provoke such a strong reaction when he confronted her about her cheating in Fire Spike. I think the arrow binds such feelings, somehow.
For if the arrow instilled and preserved in Jeanne the feeling that her lover considers himself betrayed by her (did she know he would be shot while swimming across the divide? I always thought she did, thus her helpless smile), that would explain her unending torment and why she cannot leave the world, yet show such mercy towards both Annie and Parley during their previous encounters, and still be able to feel human inside the present illusion; she is bound by an overwhelming hatred of herself.
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Post by cb3 on Sept 4, 2016 8:30:19 GMT
The last panel fits well with this explanation, if you interpret it as cutting through the sim. "Jeanneface broke the sim!" Leave it to Tom to come up with the answer that most complicates things. Or it's more like simply starting to uncover the pieces of an unspoken plan that will give us suspense while at the same time making us accept that ultimately the plan was doomed to succeed. After Robot, Basil, Bud, dickcharney, horsebot, Ysengrin and the verification bat will all appear to spar with Jeanne in turn, buying enough time through the power of tag-teaming that Annie and Kat can pull off their stuff. PS. My dart of ghosty elf-guy appearing while Annie reaches for the arrow could technically totally still happen!!! asdfAnd Boxbot, don't forget Boxbot. |
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Post by philistine21 on Sept 4, 2016 12:05:37 GMT
And I'd just managed to forget about Boxbot, why would you do this to me?
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Post by rafk on Sept 4, 2016 22:25:12 GMT
I foresee Jeanne reacting very understanding and gracefully to the descendants of Diego's creations. The ideal situation for Team Annie is that Jeanne stops to rant about Diego before resuming trying to kill them, so this is probably for the best. |
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Post by warrl on Sept 5, 2016 3:50:26 GMT
I could easily identify 5 different shades of red where my brother – and most other people – could only see three, and just barely There are actually four different sorts of color receptors in human eyes - one that responds most strongly to green, one to blue, and TWO to red. The latter have slightly different peak-response frequencies. (All four respond to some degree to pretty much all visible light.) Most individual people have only three types - including only one of the two reds. A few people, mostly women, have all four. They can distinguish between more shades of red than other people. The most common form of color-blindness is lacking any (functional) red receptor. |
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Post by saardvark on Sept 5, 2016 11:48:29 GMT
Well actually, it IS Robot. The face design on this pages matches perfectly with what we've seen of Robot before. And secondly, no, Robot has never faced Jeanne before. Parley did, and Robot was training with Parley before; he also led other robots into her shrine, which was within the combat arena under Kat's warehouse; but Robot himself has never been directly face-to-face with Jeanne before. This would be the first time ever. And as a side note, I am super-excited to see Robot and Parley vs. Jeanne in a swordfight. Actually, the match isn't perfect - the fencer-bot has a vertical groove coming out the top of the lower right "box", while Robot does not. So they still could be different bots.... |
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Post by QuotePilgrim on Sept 5, 2016 13:04:40 GMT
I could easily identify 5 different shades of red where my brother – and most other people – could only see three, and just barely A few people, mostly women, have all four. They can distinguish between more shades of red than other people. Actually, only women can have four different types of cone cells, because genetics*. I am genetically male, so I can’t possibly be a tetrachromat. Color vision varies slightly from person to person. Mine just happens to be a bit better than that of most males. *Even though not all women have four functional types of cone cells, it is known that women’s color vision is on average better than men’s. I’m sure this is all caused by the fact that the X chromosome is the one responsible for color vision, and women have two of them. |
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