madragoran
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"If he trully does hurt you, I will rend the flesh from his bones on your word"
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Post by madragoran on Aug 24, 2016 14:06:47 GMT
TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!! [Should be read in the manner of KHAAAAAAAAAN!!!!]
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Post by Deepbluediver on Aug 24, 2016 14:16:37 GMT
Oh Noooooo! Everything's gone all melllllll-tyyyyyyy!
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Post by ctso74 on Aug 24, 2016 14:54:50 GMT
Or, wild-spec time: we've always assumed that the purpose of sacrificing Jeanne was to create a guardian of the Annan Waters (to prevent the inhabitants of the Forest from crossing over). But what is that was a side effect, not the main intent? Perhaps she functions as the guardian of the Green Arrow itself, which has some as-yet-undisclosed purpose that Diego created. He may have even hidden this purpose from the other founders of the Court. If that's true, then that's a very safe place to hide something. At the bottom of a who-knows-how-deep river, in neutral ground watched by many. It would have to be something the early Court either couldn't or wouldn't destroy. Since they were supposed to destroy all records, it's something they never wanted disturbed. That sounds more "Sealed Evil in a Can" rather than Seed Bismuth, unless the Court thinks they're the same. Can't read my Can't read my No you can't read my melty face Melty face (She's got to love nobody) Lastest hit from Lady Ah!Aaaaaah! |
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Post by snowflake on Aug 24, 2016 15:41:53 GMT
Wait, are we assuming etheric strings binding lovers together is a universal thing? I thought it was a manifestation of Andrew's ability -- he can pull the strings of reality. The strings connecting Parley to him could be the mechanism through which they synergize their powers to teleport with unerring accuracy.
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 24, 2016 17:06:06 GMT
It kinda looks to me like the arrow is keeping "good" and "bad" Jeanne apart and removing it might reunite them. Or the other way around. In which case Annie will have 2 x 2 screaming match with Jeanne. |
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Post by ditchboyus on Aug 24, 2016 17:26:32 GMT
Wait, are we assuming etheric strings binding lovers together is a universal thing? I thought it was a manifestation of Andrew's ability -- he can pull the strings of reality. The strings connecting Parley to him could be the mechanism through which they synergize their powers to teleport with unerring accuracy. Well, Chapter 45, which focuses on Paz and Kat's relationship, is called "Thread." |
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Post by philman on Aug 24, 2016 18:07:42 GMT
Hey guys, I'm back after being on holiday for the last few weeks, I hope everything is going wel... OH GOD WHAT IS SHE DOING?!
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 24, 2016 18:11:45 GMT
The arrow didn't have a pointy tip the last time we saw it. Or at least I thought it didn't. That would be a strange tip for an arrow, maybe it was a cover of some sort? EDIT: It's also possible that the arrow was just the delivery method for the device on its tip, and removing it will do nothing. They have to dig the device out. I would think that the shaft would have to be weighted at the very least to balance out the point. If I was a genius techno-wizard I'd figure I might as well use the space/mass allowance for some of the mechanism, an antenna if nothing else. Delicate bits shouldn't be in the point unless absolutely necessary. The fletching hasn't disintegrated so there's something abnormal about that, at least. |
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Post by snowflake on Aug 24, 2016 18:44:52 GMT
Well, Chapter 45, which focuses on Paz and Kat's relationship, is called "Thread." Andrew wasn't the first person Antimony saw through the ether who had a partner (not that I see a reason why strings should be restricted to romantic partners). She didn't see anyone with the strings before. Does it mean she sees into the ether to new depths now -- depths even the fairies can't see? If so, is there any other confirmation of this? |
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Post by atteSmythe on Aug 24, 2016 19:07:44 GMT
Confirmation that Annie sees things in the ether that at least some others cannot see: gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1671Speculation that this is because Annie's seeing into the ether now in a different way than she did through the blinker: gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1679The thing is, Smitty's strings don't just go to Parley: gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1693So either - he has the feels for someone else, too - strings aren't limited to romantic relationships / love - strings aren't solely related to interpersonal connections |
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Post by mordekai on Aug 24, 2016 20:05:06 GMT
Oh damn.Does this mean that Jeanne is 'jerked' back to reality due to someone (Annie) so close to the arrow? If yes, ABORT ABORT They can't abort the mission. At this point it is a matter of success or death. Annie must pull the arrow, release Jeanne and hope that she has enough rationality left to understand that Annie and crew saved her. |
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Post by fish on Aug 24, 2016 21:08:38 GMT
Oh damn.Does this mean that Jeanne is 'jerked' back to reality due to someone (Annie) so close to the arrow? If yes, ABORT ABORT They can't abort the mission. At this point it is a matter of success or death. Annie must pull the arrow, release Jeanne and hope that she has enough rationality left to understand that Annie and crew saved her. Well, I would hope it's just a matter of success or multiple emergency bippings. |
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Post by CarbonRabbit on Aug 24, 2016 21:21:54 GMT
For those of who have pointed out how it seems like the arrow pierces Jeanne as well, I'd like to point out her quote on this page where she says, "My heart was run through and left to die on the river bed. The useless shell of my body was ensnared by the green light and discarded over time." Now, I know it could have been metaphorical, but I'm wondering if there was more to it. If the two of them were bound in some...I dunno...magical way, that links them, then it would make sense why the arrow affects/ed them both. Does that make sense? I'm not sure if I'm making sense... |
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 24, 2016 22:02:19 GMT
Some proximity-detector-enchantment-spell-thing at works, maybe? Doesn't need to be. It may react to magic simply because that's how it works. Or it does nothing unusual, but Jeanne herself reacts to the change in "what's on the other end". |
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Post by warrl on Aug 24, 2016 22:50:57 GMT
I would think that the shaft would have to be weighted at the very least to balance out the point. Pretty much the opposite. Having that weight toward the head end would actually help the arrow stay on course in flight - although it does require a stiffer arrow shaft. Weighting the shaft (beyond what's required for stiffness) would decrease the usable range. Now if somebody wanted the arrow to do maneuvers in flight, that weight moving the center of gravity forward would make it less maneuverable. But it's kind of lacking in provisions for in-flight control. So either - he {Andrew} has the feels for someone else, too - strings aren't limited to romantic relationships / love - strings aren't solely related to interpersonal connections I'll go with all three of those (the first being for his immediate family and perhaps some very close friends), plus Annie being able to see more than she was able to see before. I'm guessing they are strings of, um, let's call it fate (but I think they are rather more adjustable than "strings of fate" usually are thought to be). |
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Post by davidm on Aug 25, 2016 0:07:27 GMT
Will that slut ever stop?
Annie was already flirting with Andrew Smith, but now she is after Jeannie's boyfriend as well?
Jeannie and Parley need to team up and stop that red headed hussy before it is too late!
Annie is bad news, boys, she's a man eater! Just ask Mort.
This message was brought to you by the Church of Jeannie. Jeannie is beautiful. She died and we did nothing.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Aug 25, 2016 1:02:17 GMT
They can't abort the mission. At this point it is a matter of success or death. Annie must pull the arrow, release Jeanne and hope that she has enough rationality left to understand that Annie and crew saved her. Well, I would hope it's just a matter of success or multiple emergency bippings. Their distraction is also their escape plan. How can Parley bip anyone out while she's trying to keep Jeanne from skewering anyone? Parley could bip herself. Maybe she could grab one or two people, but I think anyone left behind is going to be a kabob before Parley can hip back down again. I didn't find it on the Evil Overlord list, but always keep your distraction and your escape plan separate. |
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Post by arf on Aug 25, 2016 1:59:18 GMT
By the way, for those who think this is getting freaky, Tom was recently dwelling on the shots of Gargantua, from "Interstellar".
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 25, 2016 5:44:06 GMT
I would think that the shaft would have to be weighted at the very least to balance out the point. Pretty much the opposite. Having that weight toward the head end would actually help the arrow stay on course in flight - although it does require a stiffer arrow shaft. Weighting the shaft (beyond what's required for stiffness) would decrease the usable range. Now if somebody wanted the arrow to do maneuvers in flight, that weight moving the center of gravity forward would make it less maneuverable. But it's kind of lacking in provisions for in-flight control. And if it were self-guided that would probably interfere with whatever windage/english the archer put on it to make that incredible shot. I used a bow a bit in life sports in HS and shot a hunting crossbow a few times so I admit that the finer points of archery are beyond me. I suppose since it's not self-propelled once the arrow is in flight the only job the shaft has is to provide drag and a bit of stability. That means that if there are any components in the shaft they'd have to be few and as close to the point as possible, so the remainder of the shaft (except the nock of course) would probably be hollow. It could still function as an antenna, I suppose, since it looks metal and hasn't decayed. |
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Post by smurfton on Aug 25, 2016 19:35:09 GMT
The arrow didn't have a pointy tip I always thought it was a rope cutter arrow. There's also what looks like a whistling arrowhead just behind the rope cutter. |
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Post by Eversist on Aug 25, 2016 22:13:12 GMT
{edit} Especially as the shaft is a lot shorter than it should be. I don't think the arrow is shorter, it's just impaled inside Jeanne's spirit-form. If you follow the arrow-shaft, her form stretches out over it after it goes through her back. He meant that it's visually shorter because it's just being used as a visual device and not actually pointed on the end (based on the comment s/he's responding to), not that it's physically shorter. |
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Post by zimbocrimbo on Aug 25, 2016 22:46:29 GMT
Hey uhhh. On page 1693, when Smitty was on the bridge, half of his threads went to Parley, and the other half went in some direction off the bridge. I think he's etherically connected to either A ) the green man B ) Jeanne or C ) the arrow.
That could explain why Kat asked him if he'd be alright, and (if he's connected to the arrow) the disruption happening to Jeanne on this page.
Anyway all i'm doing the last like 2 week is freaking out about each update and this one's no exception
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Post by aithecomputerguy on Aug 26, 2016 3:57:08 GMT
I would think that the shaft would have to be weighted at the very least to balance out the point. Pretty much the opposite. Having that weight toward the head end would actually help the arrow stay on course in flight. Do you have any sources that say this? I'm pretty sure having it off balance around the center of mass would make the arrow rotate while flying through space until the tip is pointing down. youtu.be/leZX0GpV5W0 |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 26, 2016 6:06:29 GMT
Pretty much the opposite. Having that weight toward the head end would actually help the arrow stay on course in flight. Do you have any sources that say this? I'm pretty sure having it off balance around the center of mass would make the arrow rotate while flying through space until the tip is pointing down. youtu.be/leZX0GpV5W0That was my initial thot too but after warrl's post I saw how it didn't matter. The arrow rotating point-downwards helps it hit the target point-first past ranges where the trajectory drops off steeply (or in other words, beyond the range where the arrow can fly directly to the target and hit straight, hope that's not confusing but it's 2am here). Think about movies or historical reenactment where you see archers firing en masse; they super-elevate (is that the right word for archery?) their point of aim so that the arrows will rain down on their targets. |
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Post by aithecomputerguy on Aug 26, 2016 11:18:03 GMT
Do you have any sources that say this? I'm pretty sure having it off balance around the center of mass would make the arrow rotate while flying through space until the tip is pointing down. youtu.be/leZX0GpV5W0That was my initial thot too but after warrl's post I saw how it didn't matter. The arrow rotating point-downwards helps it hit the target point-first past ranges where the trajectory drops off steeply (or in other words, beyond the range where the arrow can fly directly to the target and hit straight, hope that's not confusing but it's 2am here). Think about movies or historical reenactment where you see archers firing en masse; they super-elevate (is that the right word for archery?) their point of aim so that the arrows will rain down on their targets. Rotating the arrow in space will not affect its trajectory. Not counting drag, the arrow will make the exact same trajectory regardless of its orientation, so you get the same arc but with the arrow pointing down. The rotation after a long flight is actually because of the fins (I'm more into rockets than archery), which have the least drag when facing foward, thus will keep the arrow flying in the same direction as its current trajectory, assuming the arrow is easy to rotate. The easiest arrows to rotate are short ones that are balanced around the center of mass. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 26, 2016 17:13:59 GMT
That was my initial thot too but after warrl's post I saw how it didn't matter. The arrow rotating point-downwards helps it hit the target point-first past ranges where the trajectory drops off steeply (or in other words, beyond the range where the arrow can fly directly to the target and hit straight, hope that's not confusing but it's 2am here). Think about movies or historical reenactment where you see archers firing en masse; they super-elevate (is that the right word for archery?) their point of aim so that the arrows will rain down on their targets. Rotating the arrow in space will not affect its trajectory. Not counting drag, the arrow will make the exact same trajectory regardless of its orientation, so you get the same arc but with the arrow pointing down. The rotation after a long flight is actually because of the fins (I'm more into rockets than archery), which have the least drag when facing foward, thus will keep the arrow flying in the same direction as its current trajectory, assuming the arrow is easy to rotate. The easiest arrows to rotate are short ones that are balanced around the center of mass. True, pitch doesn't impact trajectory but it does affect angle of impact. If the arrow's balanced so that it won't pitch (flies straight and level) then at the far end of its range it would impact flat. And yeah, I'm also more used to things that continue to accelerate or fly so quickly that attitude at impact isn't really relevant. |
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Post by warrl on Aug 26, 2016 19:48:49 GMT
Pretty much the opposite. Having that weight toward the head end would actually help the arrow stay on course in flight. Do you have any sources that say this? I'm pretty sure having it off balance around the center of mass would make the arrow rotate while flying through space until the tip is pointing down. youtu.be/leZX0GpV5W0"Off balance around the center of mass"  ?? The center of mass is the balance point, in terms of mass. If the center of drag is behind the center of mass, there is a very good reason the arrow WON'T go point-down unless and until the arrow is in fact going down. Anything that causes it to start to do that will also cause drag to push the fletching back to directly behind the center of mass ("behind" being defined relative to the current direction of motion). The further back the center of drag is, relative to the center of mass, the stronger this will be. This is how the fletching keeps the arrow going straight. If the center of drag is at the center of mass, as is typically the case with a smooth bare straight stick (an arrow shaft with no head, fletching, or decoration), the thing will be unstable in flight with no preferred orientation at all. If the center of drag is *ahead* of the center of mass, as soon as there's the slightest deviation from it being absolutely straight ahead it will be whipped around behind. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 26, 2016 20:22:29 GMT
"Off balance around the center of mass" ?? I took that to mean the geometric center being distant from the center of mass. |
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Post by Pig_catapult on Aug 26, 2016 23:18:02 GMT
♫ shot through the heart liver, and you're to blame ♫ <3[symbol of liver] |
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Post by warrl on Aug 27, 2016 1:26:28 GMT
"Off balance around the center of mass" ?? I took that to mean the geometric center being distant from the center of mass. Yeah, look at a standard target-shooting arrow. It has essentially nothing for an arrowhead - call that close-enough-to zero weight. It has these feathers at the back, which also weigh near zero. The center of mass is pretty close to the center of its length. Now look at its surfaces. It's a long skinny shaft, nothing to it, except for the feathers at the back, which add a noticeable chunk of aerodynamic surface about as far from the center of mass as it's possible to get and still be on the arrow. Its geometric center is thereby moved a significant distance behind the center of mass. A typical hunting arrow has a broadhead which adds both mass and aerodynamic surface to the front... and BIGGER feathers at the back, offsetting the surface of the broadhead. It seems that arrows are supposed to have the geometric center distant from the center of mass. So are most other things designed to fly through the air - at least, after you discount any surfaces intended to generate lift. |
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