Demonsul
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Post by Demonsul on May 25, 2016 22:31:12 GMT
Annie, your scar is glowing.
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Post by mordekai on May 25, 2016 22:49:23 GMT
[George Bernard Shaw] That's so mean, Tom... and sooo true. In case of oh, so many teachers there... Luckily we get the other kind as well. Some time ago I was speaking about education with a scientist who works for a company and travels the world a lot. That person was criticizing people who take college degrees because they love the subject without thinking in their future professional careers, and when they find themselves short of options, they become teachers. That person said that being a teacher should be for people who have a strong vocation only, and that their studies should be focused on education from the very beginning... I answered that society needed a lot of teachers, and relatively few linguists, philologists, historians, artists, mathematicians...etc. But on the other hand, the number of people who had a vocation for teaching were fewer than society needed, while people who wanted to be linguists, historians, mathematicians...etc., AND have the talent to be so are more than society requires... so the only solution is to make a transfer of talent towards teaching. And don't get it wrong, in most countries, anybody who has the required college degree is more than qualified to teach their subject. I said that if you want a better education, you need to either (or both) try to encourage people to focus their careers to teaching earlier, or to encourage people who have refocused their careers to teaching into becoming good teachers, and that required to give their job respect, make them feel valued, provide good salaries and good working conditions. That person was like "No! Teaching is a vocation! People shouldn't become teachers because of good salaries or long vacations or society's respect, but because they love children and enjoy teaching, even if underpaid, overworked, and disrespected!". The problem is, people who become teachers are already the part of society who are more interested in teaching among those who are qualified to do so. There isn't some sort hidden pool of geniuses with a strong teaching vocation you can draw from in order to get better teachers... everybody who is like that are already teachers... Yes, there are people who are smarter and had better grades at college, but they don't want to teach. If they wanted, nothing would prevent them from pursuing the career. They just don't have the vocation... so, if you want to keep teaching a vocational career, they are out. Do you think that the current crop of teachers are incompetent, unmotivated, an only there for the money? Fine, fire them. But that won't make a new generation of superteachers appear from thin air. I repeat, the people who are teachers now are the best suited among the current generation to become teachers, they have passed a lot of filters. So I asked that person why didn't she leave her job and become a teacher. She answered that she hated teens and would hate teaching... |
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Post by crater on May 26, 2016 0:00:20 GMT
[George Bernard Shaw] That's so mean, Tom... and sooo true. In case of oh, so many teachers there... Luckily we get the other kind as well. meh, few of my extremely brilliant friends who had no problem working at the cutting edge of their fields decided to be teachers. They prefer having summers and weekends off as opposed to "Do, at the expense of all their free time" |
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Post by Corvo on May 26, 2016 0:03:56 GMT
Annie is thinking "You give them jobs too?! Darn it, I could've Red hunting down all those boxbots in the school!"
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Post by Per on May 26, 2016 0:38:22 GMT
[George Bernard Shaw] That's so mean, Tom... and sooo true. In case of oh, so many teachers there... Are there all that many? Tony probably qualifies (after all, he no longer "can" surgery), but we don't know much about the lifestyle choices and options of the others. Perhaps she then went on to read this. That comic makes the teacher look like a bit of an asshole, though. Also, there's a typo in the thread title. |
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Post by Gotolei on May 26, 2016 2:43:27 GMT
Also, there's a typo in the thread title.  |
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Post by zimmyzims on May 26, 2016 6:13:23 GMT
It's so like the Court to trick immigrant children into slave labor.
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Post by csj on May 26, 2016 6:14:53 GMT
I think we are seeing Unmemorable Scrub. I was going to save this for one of the ex-forest students but... Noah Deer |
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Post by philman on May 26, 2016 7:36:54 GMT
Back on topic; Asking someone who is probably about the worst of her class to become a teacher at your own school shows the lack of respect from the court for the Foley students. Certainly considering that obviously very bright people like Anja and Donald Donlan are teaching Queslett. A further proof of indifference and disrespect toward the forest. I guess in the end the Court is mostly interested in the raw etherical potential of the forest students. I saw it more that teaching the former forest students doesn't really entail much. Bugsy isn't really doing much to teach the kids, the bodies of both the teacher and the students are sitting in silence typing and their minds are just messing about in the ether. We don't really know what these students are being taught, but whatever it is it doesn't seem to require much input from the teacher. |
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Post by goldenknots on May 26, 2016 14:28:43 GMT
Back on topic; Asking someone who is probably about the worst of her class to become a teacher at your own school shows the lack of respect from the court for the Foley students. Certainly considering that obviously very bright people like Anja and Donald Donlan are teaching Queslett. A further proof of indifference and disrespect toward the forest. I guess in the end the Court is mostly interested in the raw etherical potential of the forest students. This is what I think, also; either etherial power, or processing power, or the intersection of the two. Given the rather interesting affinity they seem to have for data, it may not be all that significant that Bugsy's abilities were deemed irrelevant, they just needed someone to hold the helm while they're presented with it. |
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Post by themarvelgirl on May 27, 2016 4:11:35 GMT
Annie, your scar is glowing. I think that is light from Bugsy's clothing. They act like a light source in the ether- in earlier pages you can see that the light and shadows on her face are directional and come from her clothing. |
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Post by rafk on May 28, 2016 4:34:20 GMT
Back on topic; Asking someone who is probably about the worst of her class to become a teacher at your own school shows the lack of respect from the court for the Foley students. Certainly considering that obviously very bright people like Anja and Donald Donlan are teaching Queslett. A further proof of indifference and disrespect toward the forest. I guess in the end the Court is mostly interested in the raw etherical potential of the forest students. This is what I think, also; either etherial power, or processing power, or the intersection of the two. Given the rather interesting affinity they seem to have for data, it may not be all that significant that Bugsy's abilities were deemed irrelevant, they just needed someone to hold the helm while they're presented with it. Exactly, it's not a comment on teaching in general, it's a comment on how the "teacher" here is just a figurehead to pass on how normal it is to do all this etheric data crunching while socialising. |
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freeman
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Post by freeman on May 29, 2016 12:52:02 GMT
[George Bernard Shaw] That's so mean, Tom... and sooo true. In case of oh, so many teachers there... Luckily we get the other kind as well. Some time ago I was speaking about education with a scientist who works for a company and travels the world a lot. That person was criticizing people who take college degrees because they love the subject without thinking in their future professional careers, and when they find themselves short of options, they become teachers. That person said that being a teacher should be for people who have a strong vocation only, and that their studies should be focused on education from the very beginning... I answered that society needed a lot of teachers, and relatively few linguists, philologists, historians, artists, mathematicians...etc. But on the other hand, the number of people who had a vocation for teaching were fewer than society needed, while people who wanted to be linguists, historians, mathematicians...etc., AND have the talent to be so are more than society requires... so the only solution is to make a transfer of talent towards teaching. And don't get it wrong, in most countries, anybody who has the required college degree is more than qualified to teach their subject. I said that if you want a better education, you need to either (or both) try to encourage people to focus their careers to teaching earlier, or to encourage people who have refocused their careers to teaching into becoming good teachers, and that required to give their job respect, make them feel valued, provide good salaries and good working conditions. That person was like "No! Teaching is a vocation! People shouldn't become teachers because of good salaries or long vacations or society's respect, but because they love children and enjoy teaching, even if underpaid, overworked, and disrespected!". The problem is, people who become teachers are already the part of society who are more interested in teaching among those who are qualified to do so. There isn't some sort hidden pool of geniuses with a strong teaching vocation you can draw from in order to get better teachers... everybody who is like that are already teachers... Yes, there are people who are smarter and had better grades at college, but they don't want to teach. If they wanted, nothing would prevent them from pursuing the career. They just don't have the vocation... so, if you want to keep teaching a vocational career, they are out. Do you think that the current crop of teachers are incompetent, unmotivated, an only there for the money? Fine, fire them. But that won't make a new generation of superteachers appear from thin air. I repeat, the people who are teachers now are the best suited among the current generation to become teachers, they have passed a lot of filters. So I asked that person why didn't she leave her job and become a teacher. She answered that she hated teens and would hate teaching... You know, the best teachers I've ever had were the kind of back row boys or or girls, the ones that weren't super geniuses or very educationally minded at their youth but somehow had plowed through their education without dropping out. Because they knew what it was to be a bad student and how to guide them into the right direction. I think this is an important quality for primary and secondary education teachers. When we go to the higher university courses, the quality of the lecturer doesn't matter all that much, as everybody in the room are more or less equals. |
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Post by warrl on May 31, 2016 1:04:00 GMT
You know, the best teachers I've ever had were the kind of back row boys or or girls, the ones that weren't super geniuses or very educationally minded at their youth but somehow had plowed through their education without dropping out. Because they knew what it was to be a bad student and how to guide them into the right direction. If I'm trying to learn something and struggling with it, someone who struggled similarly and got through it is FAR more likely to be able to help me than someone for whom it was always so obvious no explanation was ever needed. |
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