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Post by Amethyst on Apr 5, 2011 20:44:44 GMT
I don't know if it's been speculated already, but Tom said that Jones "appears to be younger" than Surma and company, which either implies that she really is younger or simply is younger than she looks. Coyote, however, seems to know Jones already, calling her "Wandering Eye" and asking her if "Jones" is the name she has stolen, which Jones does not deny. Now, Jones has been called Jones even since Surma and friends were kids in school. If we assume Jones IS younger than Surma and them, or around the same age, and the fact that Coyote knew Jones before she was "Jones" it creates an interesting contradiction. Now consider another interesting tidbit of information. Coyote recognized Reynardine the moment he appeared at the Court meeting, despite being inside a stuffed wolf toy.
I submit for your approval the following speculation: Is "Jones" in fact another being given the powers of possession by Coyote? Is the REAL Jones simply a normal woman trapped inside her own body as this being possesses her? Is this being emotionless? Is the flaw given by Coyote her weight? Perhaps balanced by her extreme resilience and strength? Does Surma not like the original Jones or the possessed Jones? Will we see real Jones actually SHOW EMOTION?
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Post by crater on Apr 6, 2011 1:27:23 GMT
I think Jones is the daughter of the creator God that was placing stars in the sky. The 1000 Eyes? The Wandering Eye? They seem related. I think Jones was even present during Juleas and Coyotes tryst as you can see a picture of an Eye Spirit during some sort of montage. She is definitely a creature though. The Head of the Court regarded her with boredom just like he did with Coyote and Ysagrin. While Yasgrin didn’t freak out while she was in the Forest.
I don’t think Jones “possessed” anyone because Rey tried that and ended up being hated by the court because of it. Also Coyote and Jones seem to be in competition… or more like they’re in a race with one another.
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Post by Amethyst on Apr 6, 2011 5:25:08 GMT
The Court wouldn't be upset with Jones if they still think she's the original Jones. That is, no one knows Jones is possessed and just assume her weight and resilience are part of her developed "special abilities."
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Post by La Goon on Apr 6, 2011 8:58:43 GMT
I think Tom said somewhere that when Coyote gives one of his abilities as a gift he actually gives it away, so that he doesn't have it any more. So he couldn't have given the possession ability to others than Renard.
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Post by theweatherman on Apr 6, 2011 13:01:34 GMT
Here is my theory! It has no evidence or factual weight behind it!
Kat is a actual angel but doesn't know it.
Her mum always did seem a bit...awkward, MAYBE SHE ISN'T HUMAN!
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Post by joephlommin on Apr 6, 2011 16:47:06 GMT
I think Tom said somewhere that when Coyote gives one of his abilities as a gift he actually gives it away, so that he doesn't have it any more. So he couldn't have given the possession ability to others than Renard. This isnt a wild idea this is fact. |
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Post by La Goon on Apr 6, 2011 17:08:35 GMT
I think Tom said somewhere that when Coyote gives one of his abilities as a gift he actually gives it away, so that he doesn't have it any more. So he couldn't have given the possession ability to others than Renard. This isnt a wild idea this is fact. It was a comment on on Amethyst's speculation. Perhaps I should have quoted him to make that more clear  |
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Post by jayne on Apr 6, 2011 17:21:56 GMT
How's this for wild speculation:
Gunnerkrigg Court is the real world and we're all just robots programmed to think we're reading about it.
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Post by warrl on Apr 6, 2011 18:40:04 GMT
My speculation: There WAS a student named Jones at the same time that Surma and company were students. However, she left the Court (or died from some cause unrelated to this speculation). Then the Jones we know assumed her likeness and name. With everyone's knowledge of the change. It's possible that Jones was already part of the school faculty/staff, and she does this sort of change every few decades in order to avoid the awkwardness of being the one and only obvious immortal (and leaving a centuries-long trail of records) in a mortal society. If so, her previous form (the one she was in when Eggy was young) was probably taller and less dense. (I emphasize "obvious" because, in a sense, Surma/Annie is also an immortal. But the method of her immortality automatically provides a periodic change in apparent identity, at the cost of having to grow up again - and, at least up to this point, the loss of memory. Of course, the latter isn't necessarily a bad thing. |
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Post by Dr. Zebra on Apr 8, 2011 11:15:17 GMT
My spec:
Jones is not a robot but her body isn't human either. It's compromised of electronic parts that help her function like a normal(ish) human, and Lindsey built her!
(How's about having a giant crab as a mom, eh?)
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Post by jayne on Apr 8, 2011 14:54:27 GMT
My spec: Jones is not a robot but her body isn't human either. It's compromised of electronic parts that help her function like a normal(ish) human, and Lindsey built her! (How's about having a giant crab as a mom, eh?) How is she not a robot if her body was constructed of electronic parts that Lindsey built? Hmmmm.... (not saying Jones is a ghost BUT) If a ghost lived inside a robot, it wouldn't BE a robot.... |
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Post by smjjames on Apr 8, 2011 17:18:04 GMT
My spec: Jones is not a robot but her body isn't human either. It's compromised of electronic parts that help her function like a normal(ish) human, and Lindsey built her! (How's about having a giant crab as a mom, eh?) How is she not a robot if her body was constructed of electronic parts that Lindsey built? Hmmmm.... (not saying Jones is a ghost BUT) If a ghost lived inside a robot, it wouldn't BE a robot.... Like a ghost in the shell? |
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Post by smjjames on Apr 9, 2011 21:00:44 GMT
I wonder if the top shell of Lindseys is detachable. By that, I mean, look at when we initially see her and when she is poking her back through the moon pool. When we see her first, she has this large prow/harpoon spike sticking out of the top of the triangular carapace. Then when we see her later, we don't really see the flatter carapace or the ridge around the topmost eye on her back. Well, actually there is a bit of a ridge, but not as much as we saw her the first time.
Also, I think those two pairs of eyes we can see at the moonpool are the same ones as the topmost two on her back.
Lindsey already has an extremely mutated version of the arthropod bodyplan, so....... yea.
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Post by jayne on Apr 11, 2011 23:49:56 GMT
Wild Spec: The new girls dorms are deep underwater and yet they are not in a pressurized atmosphere. To the girls, it feels the same as on ground level. The water and atmosphere are being controlled etherically!
My reasoning? I think Lindsey knows how to combine technology and etheric powers. She set everything up and she can help Kat understand how it works!
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Post by warrl on Apr 12, 2011 19:21:35 GMT
Another one:
Jones never speaks of herself as part of the Court or Forest, and can't be the medium between Court and Forest, because she is NOT part of the Court or Forest. She's the medium representing some not-yet-identified third party TO the Court (and, occasionally, the Forest).
This would also fit with how she's never the one who actually resolves a problem for the Court. She helps individuals resolve personal matters on occasion, and she is involved in creating circumstances wherein others can resolve problems, but she doesn't actually do anything herself about the big issues.
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Post by jayne on Apr 12, 2011 21:16:11 GMT
Another one: Jones never speaks of herself as part of the Court or Forest, and can't be the medium between Court and Forest, because she is NOT part of the Court or Forest. She's the medium representing some not-yet-identified third party TO the Court (and, occasionally, the Forest). This would also fit with how she's never the one who actually resolves a problem for the Court. She helps individuals resolve personal matters on occasion, and she is involved in creating circumstances wherein others can resolve problems, but she doesn't actually do anything herself about the big issues. Maybe she knows something about the tictoc birds! |
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Post by jayne on Apr 15, 2011 14:17:54 GMT
AHA!! A portion of Lindsey's brain functions in a different dimension!That's it!! The missing gears in the etheric robots DO exist, but not in this dimension!! Kat can't detect them in this dimension so to her, there's NOTHING inside. If she could access that other dimension, then there's no reason to believe she couldn't figure how they work logically! |
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Post by smjjames on Apr 15, 2011 16:59:03 GMT
AHA!! A portion of Lindsey's brain functions in a different dimension!That's it!! The missing gears in the etheric robots DO exist, but not in this dimension!! Kat can't detect them in this dimension so to her, there's NOTHING inside. If she could access that other dimension, then there's no reason to believe she couldn't figure how they work logically! Uh-huh, and Diego could access this other dimension? The robots down there are Diegos creations. |
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Post by smjjames on Apr 15, 2011 17:45:25 GMT
I just had a lightbulb moment, what if Lindsey is in fact an organism with two separate and yet intercommunicating brains, one male and one female. It would be like the Rukhs in Saturn Rukh, who are massive flying organisms basically, where they literally are both female and male down to having separate brains.
That could explain why she is unable to feel loneliness.
It may also make it even creepier for Kat, LAUGHING ON LINE.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Apr 16, 2011 1:42:32 GMT
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Post by jayne on Apr 26, 2011 19:57:18 GMT
Annie's fire elemental ancestor was able to control her own fire just like Annie controls the blinker stone fire. She didn't harm her human spouse or her half human child because she willed her flame to be safe.
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Post by La Goon on Apr 29, 2011 11:31:21 GMT
Okay, maybe not all that wild: In the twitpic Khepi is wearing the family crest (assuming that's what it is) as a kind of badge. Seams like the tree elves (except they don't call themselves that) take pride in heritage. Those decorations on her dress (perhaps some kind of amulet to protect against miscarriage or or other pregnancy problems?) with the teeth and feathers seams to suggest that they are hunters, and hunting is a central part of their culture. That scar on her leg - could come from a hunting accident. Maybe she was hunting wild boar or something similar - maybe she even had to justify her position as matriarch by being a great hunter? All this makes me think these people probably aren't unfamiliar with being warriors either. The speculation that Jeanne's lover was a warrior of some kind seams to be substantiated. |
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Post by jasmijn on Apr 29, 2011 12:29:14 GMT
Being a hunter does not make one a warrior, but that's an interesting line of thought there.
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Post by La Goon on Apr 29, 2011 14:54:19 GMT
Being a hunter does not make one a warrior... Yeah I know, but in combination with the other things I mentioned; taking pride in ones heritage does seem to make it more likely that one would fight for one's clan/people/whatever concept these guys use. Also the thing with having to show your skills as a hunter of prey that has the potential of defending itself, in order to achieve high status (but okay, that part is more speculative). Also - I didn't mean that they'd all be warriors. Just that the concept wouldn't be alien to them. ...but that's an interesting line of thought there. Thank you  |
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Post by smjjames on Apr 29, 2011 15:07:03 GMT
Well, hunting might not be a central part of their culture, but would be neccesary for survival.
I hope these 'tree elves' aren't too warlike or anything.
Really though, we could speculate for a long time over their culture.
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Post by warrl on May 1, 2011 18:06:03 GMT
In the twitpic Khepi is wearing the family crest (assuming that's what it is) as a kind of badge. Seams like the tree elves (except they don't call themselves that) take pride in heritage. Assuming it isn't entirely a personal affectation, there is some importance to wearing that symbol - as opposed to some other symbol or no symbol at all. For a mark of passage into adulthood, I would expect a tattoo or ritual scarification rather than something on the clothes. So there are some "other" that Khepi's group are separate from, and it's likely there has been some form of violence between the groups. Note however that "some form" covers a large range, and a game of chess is a highly formalized and symbolic form of violence. |
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Post by smjjames on May 1, 2011 18:23:12 GMT
We won't know if Khepis scar is a wound from hunting or from intertribal/interclan violence until we ask her. Anyways, not all rites of passage would involve a tattoo or ritual scarification, and this is the first time we've really had any good insight into Green Elf Guy's and Khepis culture. Even if they are separated by centuries and we don't know what Green Elf guys clan was. Heck, even if the armbands and jewelry on Coyotes disguise were blus just for show, coyote generally does accurate representations, even if stylized, right? So he could very well have based the disguise on a different elven culture than the one Green Guy and Khepi are part of. Also, I would love for Tom to take a stab at doing an elven language, just to really cement their culture. Annie knows a variety of languages (Ancient Egyptian among them), we have two characters who speak Spanish, and at least one case of French. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on May 1, 2011 22:48:38 GMT
I've been scratching my chin for a couple days trying to figure out how someone could get a scar like Khepi's and have come up with a few ways. Getting gored by a boar or something with horns is a strong possibility and it was my first thought. Boars like to go for the shins; in this case I think Khepi would have to have been bowled over and dragged for a bit or flipped into the air to make a scar that long and jagged.
But if you look closely at the scar it looks like two (possibly three) scars running together into a bigger rend as they go down. That speaks to me of claws, not horns or tusks. Things like wolves prefer to grab hold of their prey with claws and then hamstring them by biting so they can't run away. We can't see if there are such wounds on the other side of her leg but even if no it could've been a swipe that only caught a piece of her as she twisted away or climbed out of reach. I think I prefer this explanation over goring.
Longshot: It could also be caused by falling out of a tree into another tree. A spray of branches could account for all the jags in the scar, but would a "tree elf" fall out of a tree? I doubt it but who knows. Even monkeys sometimes fall out of trees. Maybe she was a kid, or drunk, or someone pushed her or something.
Bigger longshot: Sometimes tree stumps rot out in the center leaving a ring of jagged and rotting wood. The stump can get covered with fallen leaves and be nearly undetectable until you stumble into it. Something like that can give you a disabling wound (which is why you're never supposed to go hiking by yourself) but I think Khepi would have to be carrying a very heavy load to account for that much damage.
Doesn't look like a wound that one would get from warfare, though. Humans don't tend to aim that low, and a spent or deflected arrow or spear wouldn't wrap around like that.
Also: Being attacked by a boar doesn't mean one was boar hunting or even boar-provoking. They can attack for any/no reason.
I gave a fast once-over to the other "tree elves" in the comic and I don't see anything remarkable about their facial structure. That makes me think they have human-like teeth. If they were pure herbivores I'd expect them to have flatter faces. Given that, and that large tree-dwelling primates are generally omnivores, and also the teeth in Khepi's ornamentation, leads me to believe that the "tree elves" are omnivores like humans and will hunt for meat.
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Post by vollie on May 2, 2011 11:22:57 GMT
Various random speculations all over the place: - Now that they've hooked up and used their powers together, Andrew and Parley's abilities are going to get completely tied to each other. Parley is a year older than Andrew, so when she leaves the Court, their powers will go absolutely bonkers.
- Speaking of Andrew, we haven't seen enough of his ability. What if he's actually way more powerful than he looks? We haven't seen him in the ether yet, after all. Also his eyebrows signify his massive etheric ability. Come on, it would be funny.
- "Yeah, I can still remember everything." Wouldn't that be a little...uh... traumatizing? Perhaps Jack's still a bit scarred.
- Eggers is going to be the one to tell us what Jones is. I don't even know where this one is from, I'd just like it.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on May 9, 2011 8:18:33 GMT
Did I or anyone else ever speculate that the reason the Court robots tend to obsess over female persons is because Diego did? I've been thinking that for a while but I think I forgot to actually post it. Sorry if I am stepping on someone else's wildspec but the search function doesn't seem to be working for me (again) and I don't feel like rereading the last 100 of my posts. I believe several people have suspected that mysterious bit that can't be identified on Robot's cpu is etheric technology that contains Robot's personalty. I figure that Diego used his own mind as a model to create those, either because he didn't have another volunteer or because he thought his mind was superior. He probably made some changes to keep the robots obedient and task-oriented but the obsession over females must've been too deep-rooted to remove completely or Diego didn't see anything wrong with the logic behind it. |
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