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Post by pxc on Feb 29, 2016 15:21:02 GMT
I think you could make a case so far for either. There's been foreshadowing. His concern for Annie when the robots disabled her abilities. His significant anger toward Tony's treatment of her. Spearheading the well-intentioned card that he had a bunch of teenage boys sign. Kat mentioning she thought he had a crush on her.
On the other hand this could be an attempt to draw Annie out of her shell, with the group choosing Winsbury because he appears to be single. The glowering from Janet could be her grudging acceptance of the ongoing ruse they keep up to keep her father from knowing.
His nervousness could be anything. Fear of rejection and hurt feelings, fear of upsetting a girl that can set bowling lanes on fire, fear of looking ridiculous in front of teenage peers, fear of going overboard and making his secret girlfriend jealous and angry.
Regardless, if he does get around to asking her out, I doubt she will say yes.
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Post by Aura on Feb 29, 2016 15:51:46 GMT
#winsburyxanniemustfall I do not like this pairing, not one bit.  |
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Post by philman on Feb 29, 2016 16:01:50 GMT
See here's the thing though. There was literally no buildup to this. Like, one moment we're pretty confident in not only Winsbury and Janet being a thing, but also - and more importantly - Winsbury and Janet not really being that important to the plot. But now all of a sudden they're not an item AND William here is rocketing himself up the plot important ladder by suddenly having the desire to approach Annie romantically. Yeah, from a "realism" standpoint I can't say anything is necessarily amiss here. People break up and then people make moves on other people they know. But unfortunately fiction isn't just about what's realistic. It's also about the logic of the meta narrative. And from a meta narrative this all seems pretty sudden and un-foreshadowed, at the moment. Again, I'm gonna withhold final judgment until this scenario plays out fully, but I just wanted to illuminate why some people - myself included - are still tilting our heads at this like "is something else going on here? Are we missing something?" Because from a writing standpoint, this whole scenario seems weird, awkward, and sudden if taken purely at face value. Also I'm not sure why Tom is trying so hard to force some kind of DBZ comparison. Oh I think this is real, and given Janet's face when he was teaching Annie how to bowl a few pages ago, I don't think she is very happy about it. I think the relative lack of foreshadowing is to show the consequences of this between Annie and Janet in a more stark contrast, and I think that relationship is going to be important in the future. Janet is going to be important, and this is supposed to come suddenly to Annie, in the same way it is supposed to come suddenly to us. |
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Post by Gotolei on Feb 29, 2016 17:04:30 GMT
About William... On the boat, he wasn't tagged with a nullification as one of the people whose etheric powers were considered a threat. Do we know he does anything special, other than conjecturally having Forest ancestry? He might still have etheric powers, just ones that the robots deemed unthreatening. They were wrong about Paz's ability... so William might still have some interesting ability up his sleeve.... That and we don't know quite how long ago Torn Sea was. At least an entire summer's worth of time, and earlier in this chapter everyone was all wrapped up like it was cold out. Now that I am begnning to believe that this could be happening... I wonder if Annie getting a boyfriend is going send Anthony over the deep end, again. Kat's permission for Renard to do whatever it takes to defend himself from Anthony is still hanging out there. Renard's return seemed to dissipate that threat, but if Anthony wigs out again I can see Renard intervening and then "defending" himself. Not sure how docile Anthony is nowadays after Coyote's little intervention, though from what we've seen he does care about her. Might be that he just goes along with it if/because it's what she wants? But who I'm really not concerned about is Renard. He's a big guy. When he's not cracking lewd jokes he's pretty wise and profound, and especially after Quicksilver I'm sure he'd know better than to badly hurt Anthony even if he wanted to. And forget daddy, think of what that'd do to Annie. Also I'm not sure why Tom is trying so hard to force some kind of DBZ comparison. memes dot jay peg |
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Post by fatexx544 on Feb 29, 2016 17:57:19 GMT
The body is not the point. The problem is they share one soul. The elemental part is the soul, I think it was Lightice who brought up Highlander: There can only be one. This is an interesting point I'd like to see addressed at some point. It is pretty clear that Annie and Surma had different *minds*, and she certainly didn't inherit any of Surma's memories. But all other dis-embodied beings we have seen retain both their mind/personality and their memories (Mort, forest dwellers coming to the court, questionably "living" beings like the guides and Jones). So what is this separate "essence"? I think the relative lack of foreshadowing is to show the consequences of this between Annie and Janet in a more stark contrast, and I think that relationship is going to be important in the future. I hadn't considered it before, but I believe you are correct. Especially because Janet's specialty is Archery (and her good aim apparently extends to bowling). Definitely seems like her input might be important for dealing with Jeanne. |
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Post by arkadi on Feb 29, 2016 18:39:36 GMT
...seriously, though, what is it with the Dragon Ball hair?  ??  |
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Post by pxc on Feb 29, 2016 18:48:40 GMT
...seriously, though, what is it with the Dragon Ball hair? ?? It goes up. |
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Post by fiaryn on Feb 29, 2016 18:50:54 GMT
See here's the thing though. There was literally no buildup to this. Like, one moment we're pretty confident in not only Winsbury and Janet being a thing, but also - and more importantly - Winsbury and Janet not really being that important to the plot. But now all of a sudden they're not an item AND William here is rocketing himself up the plot important ladder by suddenly having the desire to approach Annie romantically. Yeah, from a "realism" standpoint I can't say anything is necessarily amiss here. People break up and then people make moves on other people they know. But unfortunately fiction isn't just about what's realistic. It's also about the logic of the meta narrative. And from a meta narrative this all seems pretty sudden and un-foreshadowed, at the moment. Again, I'm gonna withhold final judgment until this scenario plays out fully, but I just wanted to illuminate why some people - myself included - are still tilting our heads at this like "is something else going on here? Are we missing something?" Because from a writing standpoint, this whole scenario seems weird, awkward, and sudden if taken purely at face value. Also I'm not sure why Tom is trying so hard to force some kind of DBZ comparison. On the contrary, there's been ample evidence to support a read of William having a genuine interest in Annie stretching back 200~ pages. Right now, the most simple and human explanation for what's going on here would seem to me to be: "Absence made the heart grow fonder, Janet/William had a falling out over William's continued preoccupation with the plight of another girl". Elaborate, callous ruses to date Annie as a cover for his relationship with Janet strike me as too...sitcom-y to be what's actually happening. |
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Post by pxc on Feb 29, 2016 19:43:33 GMT
See here's the thing though. There was literally no buildup to this. Like, one moment we're pretty confident in not only Winsbury and Janet being a thing, but also - and more importantly - Winsbury and Janet not really being that important to the plot. But now all of a sudden they're not an item AND William here is rocketing himself up the plot important ladder by suddenly having the desire to approach Annie romantically. Yeah, from a "realism" standpoint I can't say anything is necessarily amiss here. People break up and then people make moves on other people they know. But unfortunately fiction isn't just about what's realistic. It's also about the logic of the meta narrative. And from a meta narrative this all seems pretty sudden and un-foreshadowed, at the moment. Again, I'm gonna withhold final judgment until this scenario plays out fully, but I just wanted to illuminate why some people - myself included - are still tilting our heads at this like "is something else going on here? Are we missing something?" Because from a writing standpoint, this whole scenario seems weird, awkward, and sudden if taken purely at face value. Also I'm not sure why Tom is trying so hard to force some kind of DBZ comparison. On the contrary, there's been ample evidence to support a read of William having a genuine interest in Annie stretching back 200~ pages. Right now, the most simple and human explanation for what's going on here would seem to me to be: "Absence made the heart grow fonder, Janet/William had a falling out over William's continued preoccupation with the plight of another girl". Elaborate, callous ruses to date Annie as a cover for his relationship with Janet strike me as too...sitcom-y to be what's actually happening. As sitcom-y as building dorms that mirror the set of Friends and have Joey and Chandler-bots? |
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Post by fiaryn on Feb 29, 2016 20:05:27 GMT
A one off joke that has never been referenced since is rather a bit different than actually having the characters engage in elaborate sitcom behavior. Those dorms were rather short lived.
But pretty funny all the same.
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Post by ohthatone on Feb 29, 2016 20:53:38 GMT
See here's the thing though. There was literally no buildup to this. Like, one moment we're pretty confident in not only Winsbury and Janet being a thing, but also - and more importantly - Winsbury and Janet not really being that important to the plot. But now all of a sudden they're not an item AND William here is rocketing himself up the plot important ladder by suddenly having the desire to approach Annie romantically. Yeah, from a "realism" standpoint I can't say anything is necessarily amiss here. People break up and then people make moves on other people they know. But unfortunately fiction isn't just about what's realistic. It's also about the logic of the meta narrative. And from a meta narrative this all seems pretty sudden and un-foreshadowed, at the moment. Again, I'm gonna withhold final judgment until this scenario plays out fully, but I just wanted to illuminate why some people - myself included - are still tilting our heads at this like "is something else going on here? Are we missing something?" Because from a writing standpoint, this whole scenario seems weird, awkward, and sudden if taken purely at face value. Also I'm not sure why Tom is trying so hard to force some kind of DBZ comparison. On the contrary, there's been ample evidence to support a read of William having a genuine interest in Annie stretching back 200~ pages. Right now, the most simple and human explanation for what's going on here would seem to me to be: "Absence made the heart grow fonder, Janet/William had a falling out over William's continued preoccupation with the plight of another girl". Elaborate, callous ruses to date Annie as a cover for his relationship with Janet strike me as too...sitcom-y to be what's actually happening. Signed on to make this point but fiaryn beat me to it:) I keep reading from others how this came out of nowhere, but it really didn't. from the cruise to the card to Kat even saying "I think he likes you". In contrast, we have Kat and Paz, who had even less foreshadowing, even telling each other in Faraway Morning they weren't "like that" and then suddenly Paz asks Kat out and Kat agrees--and the readers are THRILLED. I thought that relationship was totally out of nowhere and even now still feels kinda awkward, but they are cute and it's growing on me. As far as what about Janet-- pick a scenario. I'm sure we'll be let on in a few pages as to what actually happened, but it's not hard to imagine what could have happened. Maybe Willie was sick of a relationship that had to be hidden. Maybe the headmaster found out and forbade the relationship and Willie is trying to move on. Maybe they simply grew apart as so often happens. |
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Post by fallenleaves on Feb 29, 2016 21:04:58 GMT
I'd like to draw people's attention to Annie's expressions over the last two pages. They've veered wildly, from what seems to be a surprised expression, to a more ... however you'd describe Annie's expression in 1637 panel 8 expression, and back again. This page, it's gone through shock to what looks to me to be concern, and then back to shock. I have to say, I'm not at this point expecting a positive reaction to William's suit, though I don't think Annie is fully aware of what he's happening, to judge from the confusion of expressions.
Please note I have no experience with the situation in question and could easily be completely wrong about this.
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Post by darlos9d on Feb 29, 2016 21:31:54 GMT
gunnerkrigg.proboards.com/post/128488On the contrary, there's been ample evidence to support a read of William having a genuine interest in Annie stretching back 200~ pages. Right now, the most simple and human explanation for what's going on here would seem to me to be: "Absence made the heart grow fonder, Janet/William had a falling out over William's continued preoccupation with the plight of another girl". Elaborate, callous ruses to date Annie as a cover for his relationship with Janet strike me as too...sitcom-y to be what's actually happening. Signed on to make this point but fiaryn beat me to it:) I keep reading from others how this came out of nowhere, but it really didn't. from the cruise to the card to Kat even saying "I think he likes you". In contrast, we have Kat and Paz, who had even less foreshadowing, even telling each other in Faraway Morning they weren't "like that" and then suddenly Paz asks Kat out and Kat agrees--and the readers are THRILLED. I thought that relationship was totally out of nowhere and even now still feels kinda awkward, but they are cute and it's growing on me. As far as what about Janet-- pick a scenario. I'm sure we'll be let on in a few pages as to what actually happened, but it's not hard to imagine what could have happened. Maybe Willie was sick of a relationship that had to be hidden. Maybe the headmaster found out and forbade the relationship and Willie is trying to move on. Maybe they simply grew apart as so often happens. I think the difference between Paz and the current situation is that Paz and Kat had any degree of substantial "on-screen" interaction beforehand. Something more than four minor instances of background behavior. Yeah okay so I was wrong and there WAS foreshadowing. But its cruddy foreshadowing to act as the basis for any real relationship, which just solidifies the notion that William is going to get turned down. Which just leaves me waiting to see what the actual point of this chapter is. I was thinking about this earlier today, after my previous post, and I'm starting to realize my patience is wearing a bit thin with this comic. Not because of any bad writing exactly. Its just starting to feel like its overstaying its welcome. Even with things like Anthony showing up, which was a long-awaited event. Heck, maybe BECAUSE of it, since it resulted in the lead character essentially moving backwards for a while. And in the meantime I don't feel like anything else got substantially pushed forward. And now we're pussyfooting around with some background character I never cared about and still don't care about and I'm hoping that this chapter actually goes somewhere interesting but I don't know. Sigh, I should wait till chapter ends to post, or something. |
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Post by fiaryn on Feb 29, 2016 22:38:34 GMT
Signed on to make this point but fiaryn beat me to it:) I keep reading from others how this came out of nowhere, but it really didn't. from the cruise to the card to Kat even saying "I think he likes you". In contrast, we have Kat and Paz, who had even less foreshadowing, even telling each other in Faraway Morning they weren't "like that" and then suddenly Paz asks Kat out and Kat agrees--and the readers are THRILLED. I thought that relationship was totally out of nowhere and even now still feels kinda awkward, but they are cute and it's growing on me. As far as what about Janet-- pick a scenario. I'm sure we'll be let on in a few pages as to what actually happened, but it's not hard to imagine what could have happened. Maybe Willie was sick of a relationship that had to be hidden. Maybe the headmaster found out and forbade the relationship and Willie is trying to move on. Maybe they simply grew apart as so often happens. I think the difference between Paz and the current situation is that Paz and Kat had any degree of substantial "on-screen" interaction beforehand. Something more than four minor instances of background behavior. Yeah okay so I was wrong and there WAS foreshadowing. But its cruddy foreshadowing to act as the basis for any real relationship, which just solidifies the notion that William is going to get turned down. Which just leaves me waiting to see what the actual point of this chapter is. I was thinking about this earlier today, after my previous post, and I'm starting to realize my patience is wearing a bit thin with this comic. Not because of any bad writing exactly. Its just starting to feel like its overstaying its welcome. Even with things like Anthony showing up, which was a long-awaited event. Heck, maybe BECAUSE of it, since it resulted in the lead character essentially moving backwards for a while. And in the meantime I don't feel like anything else got substantially pushed forward. And now we're pussyfooting around with some background character I never cared about and still don't care about and I'm hoping that this chapter actually goes somewhere interesting but I don't know. Sigh, I should wait till chapter ends to post, or something. Well, yes. The point of dating is to explore the possibility of there being susbtance for a real relationship, not to Confirm Yourselves As True Loves As Was Ordained In The Stars. Ergo, asking her out. The foreshadowing is to indicate interest not that they are Perfect Matches. This is an example of pretty good writing if genuine interest is indeed what is happening here. It's subtle, it doesn't consume the scene when more important things are going on, but it's very much there. As for Janet, I'm not sure that even needs much explanation. As others have noted, people virtually never date their sweetheart from when they were 11 years old straight up to marriage. Breaking up is the least remarkable thing that could possibly happen. Edit: As for the second half of your post...how have things not moved forward? I think sometimes people forget that this is a character driven story, more than anything. Annie has regressed, yes, but in the process she is also being forced to confront things she has long suppressed and ignored. She's being forced to confront the habits of self suppression and isolation instilled in her by her father, the negative effects they had on him and are having on her. That's part of growing up. That's moving forward. A relationship is a potential opportunity for Annie to prove she isn't her father and to outgrow him. It won't be that easy, by any means though. But she can hardly screw up or be worse at understanding other people than Anthony Carver. |
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Post by matoyak on Feb 29, 2016 23:50:25 GMT
This all is actually pretty realistic, though. People do suddenly breakup, when one of the two is thinking about another person. Will's timing is terrible, but he's a teenager. When a young man first pursues someone, it's often more about how the pursuer feels rather than the pursuee. Realistic doesn't always make for good storytelling. This is a case where I'd tend to argue it's actively harmful, but before I do so I'd like to see the chapter ending icon. EDIT: Proboards just ate half of my sentence somehow, along with half of the close-quote tag. That's something special. To any curious, I'm putting it into spoilers below: This all is actually pretty realistic, though. People do suddenly breakup, when one of the two is thinking about another person. Will's timing is terrible, but he's a teenager. When a young man first pursues someone, it's often more about how the pursuer feels rather than the pursuee.[/quo to what's going on, but before I do so I'd like to see the chapter ending icon. |
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Post by OGRuddawg on Mar 1, 2016 0:04:11 GMT
It's basically a disaster when a cute guy likes you.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Mar 1, 2016 0:32:40 GMT
I think the difference between Paz and the current situation is that Paz and Kat had any degree of substantial "on-screen" interaction beforehand. Something more than four minor instances of background behavior. Yeah okay so I was wrong and there WAS foreshadowing. But its cruddy foreshadowing to act as the basis for any real relationship, which just solidifies the notion that William is going to get turned down. Which just leaves me waiting to see what the actual point of this chapter is. I was thinking about this earlier today, after my previous post, and I'm starting to realize my patience is wearing a bit thin with this comic. Not because of any bad writing exactly. Its just starting to feel like its overstaying its welcome. Even with things like Anthony showing up, which was a long-awaited event. Heck, maybe BECAUSE of it, since it resulted in the lead character essentially moving backwards for a while. And in the meantime I don't feel like anything else got substantially pushed forward. And now we're pussyfooting around with some background character I never cared about and still don't care about and I'm hoping that this chapter actually goes somewhere interesting but I don't know. Sigh, I should wait till chapter ends to post, or something. Sounds like you have contracted a case of the update blues. I believe I have a case of that as well (but I'm sure you didn't catch it from me). In my opinion it does seem like the story is being stretched over more pages. It feels like it takes longer to get some kind of resolution on stressful parts of the story or to wait until the story rolls around to another aspect that may be more interesting to an individual reader. On the positive side, the update blues means you are interested in the comic. If you didn't care, you wouldn't feel anything at all. |
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Post by TBeholder on Mar 1, 2016 2:15:23 GMT
Also, other than Foley houses are assigned by the tier of whatever abilities, and let's look at whom we know from this particular class: Annie, Paz, Kat, Janet. Also in Queslett: Smitty, Jack. Formerly: Surma, Anja, Donald, Anthony. |
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Post by darlos9d on Mar 1, 2016 2:50:13 GMT
Sounds like you have contracted a case of the update blues. You might be right about that. I'm a long-suffering Homestuck reader. I can at least say Gunnerkrigg is ahead of the curve in comparison since it doesn't go on year-long hiatuses. |
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Post by TBeholder on Mar 1, 2016 3:33:43 GMT
Also, Annie developed a new concerned look here.
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Post by Darkfeather21 on Mar 1, 2016 9:41:46 GMT
I can see this ending one of 4 ways:
1. Annie just turns William down and goes on like nothing happened in a very Annie-esque fasion.
2. Annie decides to pity date William.
3. Annie decides to actually date William.
4. William just wants to tell Annie that he misses her and they need to hang out more often, but everyone else in the group jumps to the conclusion that William wants to date Annie.
I'm hoping mostly for 4, followed by 1. Because as an ace-aro, it would be nice to see representation in this great comic.
But I won't complain if it's 2 or 3.
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Post by aline on Mar 1, 2016 13:54:22 GMT
See here's the thing though. There was literally no buildup to this. Like, one moment we're pretty confident in not only Winsbury and Janet being a thing, but also - and more importantly - Winsbury and Janet not really being that important to the plot. But now all of a sudden they're not an item AND William here is rocketing himself up the plot important ladder by suddenly having the desire to approach Annie romantically. Yeah, from a "realism" standpoint I can't say anything is necessarily amiss here. People break up and then people make moves on other people they know. But unfortunately fiction isn't just about what's realistic. It's also about the logic of the meta narrative. And from a meta narrative this all seems pretty sudden and un-foreshadowed, at the moment. Again, I'm gonna withhold final judgment until this scenario plays out fully, but I just wanted to illuminate why some people - myself included - are still tilting our heads at this like "is something else going on here? Are we missing something?" Because from a writing standpoint, this whole scenario seems weird, awkward, and sudden if taken purely at face value. While the hints were small and easy to dismiss, they have been here ever since "The torn sea". It's just that Annie, and us, were busy with other topics and not really very concerned about dating perspectives. But the fact is, there was more build up to this than there ever was to KatxPaz. (How important was Paz before she became Kat's girlfriend? How many times did she actually get a line in the comic? How many hints did we get that she might have a romantic interest in the second most important character of the comic? The answer to all those questions is: not much, if at all.) I think many people are reluctant to believe this is happening because they liked WilliamxJanet and dislike WilliamxAnnie. *I* certainly don't like that pairing. William might have become nicer over the years, but he's about as attractive as a potted plant. But while I'm absolutely sure by now that the guy is asking Annie out, I wouldn't want to make bets on what she's going to say about it. |
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Post by darlos9d on Mar 1, 2016 16:26:26 GMT
I feel like I should have been more explicit about the point of my previous big post. I don't care about the shipping or the ideas about relationships or young love or whatever. That's not really what I'm concerned with. I'm more concerned as to why we're focusing suddenly on a character who, up until now, has been a borderline joke character. If he's supposed to become more important, that seems weird. If not and this is just a chance for Annie to turn somebody down, I'm curious as to where this chapter is actually going. And I'm not saying it's definitely going nowhere. I'm just currently scratching my head about it. That's all.
Also I feel like Kat and Paz is a bit of a false equivalency here, but I don't feel like trying to hammer out the hows and whys at the moment. I just know I FEEL like Paz never bothered me, from a narrative standpoint.
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Post by westwindreborn on Mar 1, 2016 16:57:01 GMT
Also I'm not sure why Tom is trying so hard to force some kind of DBZ comparison. Tom's just responding to all the Vegeta and super saiyan comments he's been getting since he rolled out William's new look. Haha |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Mar 1, 2016 17:21:00 GMT
Paz got a big boost as a character in A Bad Start when she helped Kat sort through her emotions concerning the Court. In one chapter Paz went from the unlucky background girl to an assertive person determined to make things better. Winsbury hasn't had a similar opportunity to shine, yet.
To me the jarring part of this chapter is apparent breakup of Janet and Winsbury because they seemed fine last time we saw them. But if Annie and Winsbury are going to be a thing, then I will accept that we are seeing these events through Annie's perspective and she didn't see any of this coming.
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Post by todd on Mar 2, 2016 0:16:38 GMT
To me the jarring part of this chapter is apparent breakup of Janet and Winsbury because they seemed fine last time we saw them. I think that's a good point. I'm not concerned about Winsbury and Janet no longer being an item (if that's the case). I'm concerned about the fact that Tom hasn't established in the story that they're no longer an item - that he hasn't, say, had Kat mention to Reynardine that Winsbury and Janet broke up. I find it hard to believe that Tom's simply forgotten about that pairing, or that he's assumed that the readers have forgotten it - even with everything that's happened in the last few chapters. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Mar 2, 2016 1:32:07 GMT
To me the jarring part of this chapter is apparent breakup of Janet and Winsbury because they seemed fine last time we saw them. I think that's a good point. I'm not concerned about Winsbury and Janet no longer being an item (if that's the case). I'm concerned about the fact that Tom hasn't established in the story that they're no longer an item - that he hasn't, say, had Kat mention to Reynardine that Winsbury and Janet broke up. I find it hard to believe that Tom's simply forgotten about that pairing, or that he's assumed that the readers have forgotten it - even with everything that's happened in the last few chapters. I think Janet and William kept their relationship a secret, so Kat and the others didn't know they were together or wouldn't know they had split up. Others think their classmates had to figure it out but nothing was ever shown in comic so I am sticking with the secret relationship gag at the moment. If the thing with Annie is actually happening, then I assume there will be an off hand remark that will provide some closure on Janet and William. Maybe William will say that he can't keep his feeling hidden anymore. |
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Post by exterminatecake on Mar 2, 2016 1:39:33 GMT
I think the relative lack of foreshadowing is to show the consequences of this between Annie and Janet in a more stark contrast, and I think that relationship is going to be important in the future. I hadn't considered it before, but I believe you are correct. Especially because Janet's specialty is Archery (and her good aim apparently extends to bowling). Definitely seems like her input might be important for dealing with Jeanne. Thoughts: His hair goes up, and Tom is making a huge deal out of it with the DBZ references, but could that be to distract us from his similarity to another hair-goes-up character? It's a long shot, but Tom is an incredibly purposeful author--could these parallels mean something? (I mean, we also have a swordswoman and an archer.) (Hello yes I have been lurking for several years and what finally pushed me to make my first post is shipping wildspec with no real goal or defined theory.)
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Post by fiaryn on Mar 2, 2016 7:31:44 GMT
At this point, assuming William has forest folk ancestry until proven otherwise is not an unreasonable position.
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Post by arkadi on Mar 4, 2016 15:11:51 GMT
...seriously, though, what is it with the Dragon Ball hair? ?? It goes up. Yeah, and it doesn't stop going |
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