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Post by stef1987 on Feb 19, 2016 21:12:00 GMT
This game is going to get really boring for Annie, soon. I'm reminded of a Discworld novel (can't remember which), where Death was trying to play golf, and just ended up briskly walking from one hole to another, since he obviously never missed. why "obviously"? |
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Post by psybershadow on Feb 19, 2016 23:03:26 GMT
Well, guess I was right about the cheating. Who wants to defend Antimony by talking about it's her talent and the only way she can do certain things so she's thusly allowed to use it? I'm not sure she isn't going to shrug and admit it next. It's not like this would be a big deal. Maybe, but it allows her to hold the ball even when it's left her hands, so technically it's as if she's running down the lane and throwing the ball into the pins herself. |
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Post by warrl on Feb 19, 2016 23:24:47 GMT
I don't know that WE can say whether or not Annie ethereally nudging the ball would be cheating.
That would be between her and the other kids. If they agree that it's acceptable to go all-out with whatever talents you have, then definitely no problem. And there doesn't seem to be any objection to what Janet's doing.
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Post by vvaivi on Feb 19, 2016 23:26:06 GMT
"Use the ether, Annie."
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Post by ctso74 on Feb 20, 2016 0:10:10 GMT
Annie: single. Got that, William? Tom really has a way with comedy, I will give him that much. And trolling. Oh, so much dry trolling. |
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Post by csj on Feb 20, 2016 0:59:11 GMT
I don't know that WE can say whether or not Annie ethereally nudging the ball would be cheating. That would be between her and the other kids. If they agree that it's acceptable to go all-out with whatever talents you have, then definitely no problem. And there doesn't seem to be any objection to what Janet's doing. We don't actually know what Janet's doing; she could simply be one of those hyper-competent people that indulge in 'ALL the sports!' All of them. It'll probably be revealed in the comic, but until then, it's an unknown, even if it is awfully suspicious... From a mundane perspective however, we definitely know that what Annie does is an 'unfair advantage'('cheating' is an emotive statement, not a purely factual one... consider how some people use those ramps when bowling  ), because moving things in the ether is a capability that we do not have and cannot draw upon, By contrast, annie could still use her arms normally if she wanted to - though it would require practise and better hand-eye co-ordination. Gotta remember that her use of the 'blinker stone' was considered more or less cheating by most ethereically-aware people. Annie likes crutches and 'easy' solutions; it's one of her personal faults. wait till annie tries lawn bowls and realises you can't get the ball to roll in a straight line xD |
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Post by csj on Feb 20, 2016 1:06:22 GMT
I suppose the disability analogy is still the best one to have here, even if some of the tumblrfolk might blow up over it. While a swimmer at the paralympics may be a better swimmer than an ordinary 'able' person, it would probably be considered 'unfair' if they were to race against able-bodied swimmers.
Ableness it best thought about as 'options'. Some people have the option to use all of their limbs, others do not. Annie has the option of entering the ether; us muggles do not.
And I'll leave it at that. Will be fun to see how people react if she steadily gets better at 'bowling' as her concentration and abilities increase. :3
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Post by aline on Feb 20, 2016 6:45:35 GMT
I find the entire cheating argument a little silly, to be honest. First, how could any of what she's doing be an unfair advantage when it's not even an advantage? Margo and Janet are doing strikes and double strikes. Annie is barely learning the game and just managed to strike ONE pin. She's still nowhere near the area where competing with the others is possible, or relevant. She's learning. For every sport, game or skill, one understands the need to give complete beginners some leeway with rules to give their more opportunities to learn and have fun. On the previous page, we've seen Annie turning frustrated and making zero progress. Now she's happier, more focused, and probably learned something about the mechanics of bowling even if not in the usual way.
Would a bunch of kids who have been riding bikes for years call a "cheater" or "taking the easy way out" someone who uses training wheels on their first ride ever?
One could argue on whether or not it's the best way to learn, but that's a completely different argument.
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Post by csj on Feb 20, 2016 10:30:39 GMT
I can think of nothing more entirely legitimate and understandable and totally not cheating than being able to avoid days/weeks/months/years of practise by just closing my eyes and using magic.
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Post by Lightice on Feb 20, 2016 11:44:42 GMT
This game is going to get really boring for Annie, soon. I'm reminded of a Discworld novel (can't remember which), where Death was trying to play golf, and just ended up briskly walking from one hole to another, since he obviously never missed. Mort? That's the one were he takes a vacation. It's been to long since I read it. No, he put the course in his own domain. It's possible that it was in one of the short stories that Pratchett included with the merchandise publications, not in one of the novels, themselves... Because he's Death. No obstacle can challenge him, he always hits his mark. Even in golf. As for the whole cheating-argument, is it really cheating to use your own, innate abilities for a sport? No-one begrudges the fact that someone genetically inclined towards athleticism is more likely to excel at a sport than those who aren't, even though practice can smooth out most of the differences, at least up until the point. I don't think that any bowling rulebook explicitly forbids the use of psychokinetic abilities... |
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Post by aline on Feb 20, 2016 13:43:00 GMT
I can think of nothing more entirely legitimate and understandable and totally not cheating than being able to avoid days/weeks/months/years of practise by just closing my eyes and using magic. :3 If you think GC magic works by just closing eyes and not putting lots of effort and time into practice, then we clearly have not been reading the same comic ;-)
Even with her blinker stone and natural talent, Annie had to work for each of her magic skills. We've seen her progress over several years, and we've seen her working at it still only a few pages ago. If what she's just done was easy to her, don't you think we would have seen a physics-defying double strike instead of a 1 point throw?
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Post by Corvo on Feb 20, 2016 14:31:57 GMT
I just realised that, although panel 3 looks like an ether scene, the ball and the pins are not grey. Still, her etherical hand is there. I'm so confused.
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Post by keef on Feb 20, 2016 14:49:28 GMT
Mort? That's the one were he takes a vacation. It's been to long since I read it. No, he put the course in his own domain. It's possible that it was in one of the short stories that Pratchett included with the merchandise publications, not in one of the novels, themselves... Death's Domain, the Discworld Map and A Tourist's Guide to Lancre are the last items missing in my Discworld collection. Not sure if they're worth purchasing. I thought it was because he must have the perfect swing...  Or  |
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Post by fish on Feb 20, 2016 18:26:28 GMT
I just realised that, although panel 3 looks like an ether scene, the ball and the pins are not grey. Still, her etherical hand is there. I'm so confused. Nice catch! Here are some possible explanations I just came up with: - Tom forgot his own internal rules of colouring the ether? Highly unlikely, he's always been consistent with it so far.
- The ball and pins are magically created! Also unlikely, haha.
- My guess is Annie just unlocked a new ether ability!
Every instance of ether vision before this chapter was through the lens of the blinker stone. So maybe Annie seeing everything non-magical in a dull grey was a "feature" or rather a flaw of the stone. Rey just told her to light the ether with her fire. She's never done that before because she had no need to, the blinker stone always gave her convenient but restricted ether clarity.
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Post by goldenknots on Feb 20, 2016 19:15:07 GMT
I think we're seeing it from the ether _and_ the mundane view, to indicate that Antimony's abilities are becoming more integrated.
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Post by Corvo on Feb 20, 2016 22:04:04 GMT
I just realised that, although panel 3 looks like an ether scene, the ball and the pins are not grey. Still, her etherical hand is there. I'm so confused. Nice catch! Here are some possible explanations I just came up with: - Tom forgot his own internal rules of colouring the ether? Highly unlikely, he's always been consistent with it so far.
- The ball and pins are magically created! Also unlikely, haha.
- My guess is Annie just unlocked a new ether ability!
Every instance of ether vision before this chapter was through the lens of the blinker stone. So maybe Annie seeing everything non-magical in a dull grey was a "feature" or rather a flaw of the stone. Rey just told her to light the ether with her fire. She's never done that before because she had no need to, the blinker stone always gave her convenient but restricted ether clarity.
Or maybe this isn't an ether scene at all, she literally tore her hand off with that last throw! The rest of the chapter will be about Anthony bringing Annie to choose a prosthetic hand. "And this one have a hidden compartment so you can keep your money." "Hm, my boss pays me with dead rodents." "..." "Sometimes birds too. And wisps." |
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Post by aline on Feb 20, 2016 22:50:19 GMT
Or this is a symbolic view, and Annie is simply picturing her hand on the ball rather than litteraly pushing it with her ether self. It's hard to say.
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Post by The Anarch on Feb 21, 2016 5:17:05 GMT
Because he's Death. No obstacle can challenge him, he always hits his mark. Even in golf. Maybe he just needs to find the right opponents. |
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Post by CoyoteReborn on Feb 21, 2016 20:06:34 GMT
"Hm, my boss pays me with dead rodents." "..." "Sometimes birds too. And wisps." Bringing someone delicious food is a traditional honor in canine society! She should be honored by my generous and kindly gifts!  |
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Post by fish on Feb 21, 2016 21:36:45 GMT
Or this is a symbolic view, and Annie is simply picturing her hand on the ball rather than litteraly pushing it with her ether self. It's hard to say. Possible of course, but she has the cut on her face (she has the cut on her face). |
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Post by TBeholder on Feb 21, 2016 23:51:33 GMT
From the comments:
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), because moving things in the ether is a capability that we do not have and cannot draw upon, By contrast, annie could still use her arms normally if she wanted to - though it would require practise and better hand-eye co-ordination. 
