Ender
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Post by Ender on Jan 6, 2016 17:13:39 GMT
A more important question: what "something else" is this guy talking about? Interspecies Robot/Shadow romance, or the fact that there's a whole cult growing around Kat? Which of the two is actual news a far as the Court is concerned, and which would be considered more relevant? Because it really sounds to me like he's talking about the cult: and if so, it would mean that Robot's shenanigans have been flying under the Court's radar until now. I'm going to throw my guess in and say it's Shadow's existence he's talking about. They were trying to keep him a secret from the Court, remember? Only Jones knew about him. |
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Post by Daedalus on Jan 6, 2016 18:09:06 GMT
A more important question: what "something else" is this guy talking about? Interspecies Robot/Shadow romance, or the fact that there's a whole cult growing around Kat? Which of the two is actual news a far as the Court is concerned, and which would be considered more relevant? Because it really sounds to me like he's talking about the cult: and if so, it would mean that Robot's shenanigans have been flying under the Court's radar until now. I'm going to throw my guess in and say it's Shadow's existence he's talking about. They were trying to keep him a secret from the Court, remember? Only Jones knew about him. How could he possibly be a secret? He's been taking classes and living in Foley, so he must have been photographed and recorded. Unless a) the Court has too much data to notice, like modern surveillance, or b) Jones somehow concealed him from the Court's record? |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jan 6, 2016 18:27:07 GMT
A more important question: what "something else" is this guy talking about? Interspecies Robot/Shadow romance, or the fact that there's a whole cult growing around Kat? Which of the two is actual news a far as the Court is concerned, and which would be considered more relevant? Because it really sounds to me like he's talking about the cult: and if so, it would mean that Robot's shenanigans have been flying under the Court's radar until now. I'm going to throw my guess in and say it's Shadow's existence he's talking about. They were trying to keep him a secret from the Court, remember? Only Jones knew about him. Jones told Annie that she had instructed the Foley teachers to contact her if someone inquired about Shadow. I think she is confident she can handle the Court's concern about Shadow but didn't want to address the issue if it wasn't necessary. CORRECTION: Jones told Annie to have anyone inquiring about Shadow to Jones, I still think Jones is confident she can handle the Court concerning Shadow. I believe the Love Boat incident was the catalyst for this secret in investigation. The Court knows what equipment and supplies it is providing Kat, and after Kat independently made her anti-gravity device, it makes sense that the Court would encourage her independence. But the kidnapping of an entire year of students warrents investigation, particularly since ShipBot did not act alone. Robot isn't hiding his preaching from the robot community, so SpyBot may have pointed out his odd behavior when the investigation opened. I doubt the Court will believe that Kat is the divine being Robot believes her to be, but his behavior is odd enough to warrent concern. |
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Post by Ender on Jan 6, 2016 18:47:42 GMT
I'm going to throw my guess in and say it's Shadow's existence he's talking about. They were trying to keep him a secret from the Court, remember? Only Jones knew about him. How could he possibly be a secret? He's been taking classes and living in Foley, so he must have been photographed and recorded. Unless a) the Court has too much data to notice, like modern surveillance, or b) Jones somehow concealed him from the Court's record? Jones says that he would probably go unnoticed by the Court if he was in house Foley since they're less closely monitored. We've seen some evidence that he's been going around with a hoodie all the time pretending to be human, like when he was waiting for Annie at the girl's dorm. Jones also points out just a couple pages earlier that if the Court found out about him they'd probably never see him again. gunnerkrigg.com/?p=977 |
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Post by l33tninja on Jan 6, 2016 18:50:53 GMT
I'm going to throw my guess in and say it's Shadow's existence he's talking about. They were trying to keep him a secret from the Court, remember? Only Jones knew about him. How could he possibly be a secret? He's been taking classes and living in Foley, so he must have been photographed and recorded. Unless a) the Court has too much data to notice, like modern surveillance, or b) Jones somehow concealed him from the Court's record? I concur. I think we should be more definitive and say Shadow's existence is not a secret. He is literally leading the rescue armada (with his hood down) on that page. Basically every kid at the Court must know about him after these events (I mean rumors are one thing, but Shadow is communicating with the students to save them...and also, he's flying). And then there's the second-to-last panel here. I think it's safe to say that Shadow's existence is known. |
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Post by arkadi on Jan 6, 2016 19:16:35 GMT
I don't think it's the cult, I think it's either the robot-student romance (forbidden) or the fact that Shadow is a student at all - I got the impression that Jones snuck him in under the Court's nose pretty much. I don't want this!!! I'm more inclined to think that the "Something Else" is the growth of the robots towards emotion and self-awareness. Kat's work (from the Court's perspective) has been on advancing the machinery - and I don't think even she is aware of the fundamental changes occurring to the robot's personalities - but the discussion about Kat between Robot and the other robots (which Spy-Bot observed) and then Robot's interaction with Shadow, probably says more to the Court about changes in the robots themselves then the existence of Shadow. Personally, I don't think the Court cares about Shadow that much (unfounded theory, but just my opinion). My feeling is that the Court is obsessed with creating life, and being able to see this occur in the robots is going to interest them greatly. I'm inclined to agree. Robot-student romance and Shadow being enrolled may technically be against the rules, but they're pretty trivial things for Court security to be concerned about; a robot cult centered on one of the Court's top students, on the other hand, is serious business. But it's surprising that they're just now getting wise to Robot's propheteering; especially since everyone seems to agree that the Court must have been involved in the Love Boat fiasco, and we know Robot was behind that. On the other hand, the Court's organization is likely to be as mastodontic and labyrinthine as its premises; so even assuming that SpyBot and Juliette (?) have just come across the cult, that wouldn't necessarily mean that they're the first ones in the Court to do so; the Headmaster or some other higher-ups could have found out long ago, using other means. (In fact, for all we know Juliette and SpyBot might be reporting to Jones, rather than to security. I wouldn't be surprised) |
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Ender
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Post by Ender on Jan 6, 2016 19:31:14 GMT
How could he possibly be a secret? He's been taking classes and living in Foley, so he must have been photographed and recorded. Unless a) the Court has too much data to notice, like modern surveillance, or b) Jones somehow concealed him from the Court's record? I concur. I think we should be more definitive and say Shadow's existence is not a secret. He is literally leading the rescue armada (with his hood down) on that page. Basically every kid at the Court must know about him after these events (I mean rumors are one thing, but Shadow is communicating with the students to save them...and also, he's flying). And then there's the second-to-last panel here. I think it's safe to say that Shadow's existence is known. No Court officials were around during that whole thing though, just robots, and they probably don't care. It's not clear how much of the events of that chapter the students saw since they're barely depicted, just shadows in the background in some panels, but if we're just talking about that scene with Robot and Shadow hugging, I wouldn't find it too much of a stretch to believe that no students noticed him. The only ones that seems to be close by are the main cast. The students and teachers in Foley are all previously from the forest and they tend to be all silly and I doubt that they'd care about Shadow not being human. They probably just think he's cool (the teachers included) so I doubt anyone there would tell the higher-ups in the Court, which is probably one of the reasons Jones put him there. I know it's kind of a stretch to believe that the Court really doesn't know after all this time, but I'm not convinced that Tom has dropped that as a plot point yet. We haven't seen any hard evidence that it's not a thing anymore. But yeah, it's just as likely that the "something else" is just him talking about the robot uprising. I don't really buy that he's talking about the romance, we've seen evidence that robots have emotions and can have crushes from the beginning, I don't really think the Court cares about that. |
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Post by l33tninja on Jan 6, 2016 19:32:55 GMT
I'm more inclined to think that the "Something Else" is the growth of the robots towards emotion and self-awareness. Kat's work (from the Court's perspective) has been on advancing the machinery - and I don't think even she is aware of the fundamental changes occurring to the robot's personalities - but the discussion about Kat between Robot and the other robots (which Spy-Bot observed) and then Robot's interaction with Shadow, probably says more to the Court about changes in the robots themselves then the existence of Shadow. Personally, I don't think the Court cares about Shadow that much (unfounded theory, but just my opinion). My feeling is that the Court is obsessed with creating life, and being able to see this occur in the robots is going to interest them greatly. I'm inclined to agree. Robot-student romance and Shadow being enrolled may technically be against the rules, but they're pretty trivial things for Court security to be concerned about; a robot cult centered on one of the Court's top students, on the other hand, is serious business. But it's surprising that they're just now getting wise to Robot's propheteering; especially since everyone seems to agree that the Court must have been involved in the Love Boat fiasco, and we know Robot was behind that. On the other hand, the Court's organization is likely to be as mastodontic and labyrinthine as its premises; so even assuming that SpyBot and Jacqueline (?) have just come across the cult, that wouldn't necessarily mean that they're the first ones in the Court to do so; the Headmaster or some other higher-ups could have found out long ago, using other means. (In fact, for all we know Jacq and SpyBot might be reporting to Jones, rather than to security. I wouldn't be surprised) "Propheteering" is a great new word. And just a small point but SpyBot's accomplice was previously Juliette (if it still is remains to be seen). |
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Post by oneandoneis2 on Jan 6, 2016 20:52:09 GMT
The possibility of Court interest in Kat's work makes me wonder: what if the whole "bring Tony back" thing was just to stop Kat spending so much time with Annie, so she'd get more work done on the biobot stuff?
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brokshi
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Post by brokshi on Jan 6, 2016 21:39:28 GMT
While it's most likely going to be Juliette, does no one else see the potential for this to be a disguised robot, to show the power and influence The Cult has already achieved?
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Post by haspen on Jan 6, 2016 22:45:36 GMT
How about Doctor whatshisname who was enamored with Jones? I mean, you can see the coat or some other stuffy lengthy piece of clothes, he is a scientist probably with a thing for electronics (some crazy electronics, given the holographic room).
Plus he does work for the Court - heck, given how silly the Court robots are, they were probably programmed and 'taught' by a silly guy - just like Mr.Doctor person.
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Post by warrl on Jan 6, 2016 23:13:27 GMT
Shadow is a unique being at this point, with no expectation that more of his kind will be forthcoming. Unless he shows abilities to do things beyond what normal students can manage and an inclination to act in a way counter to the Court's intentions (whether he knows said intentions or not is irrelevant), he's not a problem.
Anything whatsoever to do with robots, on the other hand...
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Post by keef on Jan 6, 2016 23:55:09 GMT
I think the case for Juliette sitting in that chair is strong, and that's exactly why I think it will be someone else. Why this mysterious last two panels if it is the person Spybot has been working with before.
How about Doctor whatshisname who was enamored with Jones? I mean, you can see the coat or some other stuffy lengthy piece of clothes, he is a scientist probably with a thing for electronics (some crazy electronics, given the holographic room). Yeah! Randy Disaster! The secret head of the Court's secret police! I wouldn't call Diego silly. Mad maybe, cruel, creepy, bad even, but not silly. And Randy's silliness is of course just a mask.
In fact, for all we know Juliette and SpyBot might be reporting to Jones, rather than to security. I wouldn't be surprised) Well, they seem to be her underlings. But maybe that changed. |
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Post by luthien341 on Jan 7, 2016 0:35:07 GMT
I have to vote for Juliette, but I'm afraid something else might be in that chair... ...something more terrible.  |
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Post by draag on Jan 7, 2016 13:28:27 GMT
On c56p17 last panel it's that guy spying too. What's going on with the page #s? got it |
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Post by Gotolei on Jan 7, 2016 16:47:30 GMT
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Post by l33tninja on Jan 7, 2016 18:46:37 GMT
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Post by Per on Jan 7, 2016 23:27:52 GMT
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