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Post by Gulby on Dec 16, 2015 11:23:31 GMT
I didn't read the thread yet, but I have to say that I find this page absolutly beautiful, but it freightens me to see how Robot interprets it.
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Post by kittygirlhazel on Dec 16, 2015 11:28:43 GMT
Since I know a bit about flower symbolism, I thought I’d chime in on this page!
First of all, the ivy. Ivy is dependence, endurance, faithfulness – that sort of thing. The yellow flower looks like it might be a narcissus of some sort, which is frankly troubling if you know the myth of Echo and Narcissus. In short, it’s selfishness or unrequited love. (The only other thing that I think it looks like is the daffodil, but it doesn’t have the outer petals.)
The blue flower is a nightmare to place. If I had to guess, I’d say it might be a clematis. The meaning of clematis is hard work and perseverance, which twins very nicely with the ivy, and also fits Kat very well.
The red one might be a calliandra, or more specifically Calliandra haematocephala, the red variety. It seems no one’s assigned a particular meaning to this flower, but its scientific name has a pretty apt meaning. “Calliandra” comes from the Greek for “beauty” and “male”, so it could be about Robot’s assessment of her attractiveness, as well as a nod to her tomboyish/butch nature. “Haematocephala” comes from “blood” and “head”… I’m sure you can piece that together.
Finally, the purple one is almost certainly a primrose! The primrose means kindness, gentleness and nurturing. It can also mean first love or innocence, and finally, “I can’t live without you” – which has an absolutely amazing double meaning when applied to this context!
All of these except primrose and ivy aren’t 100% certain, but this is what I think the meanings are, and they all seem to fit quite well.
(For the record, the daisy on Kat’s Headband of Heterosexuality means chastity, love, and transformation. Hm…)
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Post by stclair on Dec 16, 2015 11:34:45 GMT
"Take this and feel; this is my flesh."
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Post by madragoran on Dec 16, 2015 11:52:15 GMT
Robot is bonkers.. plain and simple. Oh Annie you and your love of rescuing things... Paperclips anyone?  Also I may be wrong but Kat and Annie has been treating Robot like a pet or a child in terms of mental aquity. Maybe that started with the beginning of the comic. The original No 13 seemed awkward and a bit out of shorts. Also we never learned why it had been disasemmbled. Today's page is scary. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Dec 16, 2015 12:24:47 GMT
I notice that robot's vision of kat isn't in the angel form, perhaps the robots don't see kat in the angel form Kat's angel wings are present on the page, if you see the silver diamond-shapes that were present in the face Zimmy saw in Divine There are elements from Zimmy's vision of Kat: - The spearhead things pointing at Kat in this page look like the two antenna things over the top of her head in Zimmy's vision. I think that is what temeritee pointed out. But in this page, the spearhead things seem ominous/threatening to me. - The background behind Kat on this page also reminds me of the whatever is radiating from behind Kat's head in Zimmy's vision. Kat in a dress!!? Robot, you are becoming seriously delusional The dress... - At first glance I thought the bottom of the dress morphed into the blue smoke the artificial limbs make when zapped, but the bottom of the dress also looks like it morphs into storm clouds. - The top of the dress kind of reminds me of Kat's blue coverall/jumpsuit with the way she rolls up the arms or wears the top tied around her waist. What's the blue flower on the heart? I know the others, but not that one. Blue flower = Special blue coprocessor on Robot's CPU? I guess my desire to know what that coprocessor is makes me see it whenever there is something blue attached to something else. |
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Post by Karretch on Dec 16, 2015 12:26:47 GMT
The red one might be a calliandra, or more specifically Calliandra haematocephala, the red variety. It seems no one’s assigned a particular meaning to this flower, but its scientific name has a pretty apt meaning. “Calliandra” comes from the Greek for “beauty” and “male”, so it could be about Robot’s assessment of her attractiveness, as well as a nod to her tomboyish/butch nature. “Haematocephala” comes from “blood” and “head”… I’m sure you can piece that together. Looks more like a thistle to me, possibly thorns at the bottom there. Gonna slap this line from Wikipedia here (no citation sadly): "In the language of flowers, the thistle (like the burr) is an ancient Celtic symbol of nobility of character as well as of birth, for the wounding or provocation of a thistle yields punishment." What say you and your symbology compared to this? If it's not just junk slapped on the page, fits quite well especially the "birth" bit. |
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Post by TBeholder on Dec 16, 2015 14:07:14 GMT
I notice that robot's vision of kat isn't in the angel form, perhaps the robots don't see kat in the angel form ...yet. |
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Post by davidm on Dec 16, 2015 15:31:44 GMT
Flower symbology...
Blue means "Jeannie is beautiful"
Red means "Jeannie died"
Yellow means "and we did nothing"
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The significance assigned to specific flowers in Western culture varied — nearly every flower had multiple associations, listed in the hundreds of floral dictionaries — but a consensus of meaning for common blooms has emerged. Often, definitions derive from the appearance or behavior of the plant itself. For example, the mimosa, or sensitive plant, represents chastity
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"consensus of meaning for common blooms has emerged. "
All normal robots agree on a few simple truths: Jeannie is beautiful. Jeannie died and we did nothing.
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Post by intotheether on Dec 16, 2015 15:57:21 GMT
When she becomes a god, will she maintain her free will? Despite their belief that she is a robotic angel, it's never sat well with her and she's always had other things going on in her life besides the robots. Will she be able to maintain those after ascending, or will their belief override who she really is? In other words, will GodKat really be Kat, or will it be a crude facsimile formed from Robot's cult? I think the question for me is whether Kat herself will be transformed, or if she is merely the point of inspiration for the creation of what will become the physical goddess. It's never quite made explicit whether Coyote is genuinely the coyote from the desert, or merely how man perceived him, given form by the ether. If you took the ether out of him by some means, what would be left? Would he turn into a pile of bones from a long dead canine, or would he vanish completely? I guess what I'm asking is, is Kat merely the muse for what will become known by robots as the Angel, or is she the very canvas their beliefs will paint on? |
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Post by Sadie on Dec 16, 2015 17:08:16 GMT
I notice that robot's vision of kat isn't in the angel form, perhaps the robots don't see kat in the angel form I noticed that too, and I was thinking it might have to with the situation difference. This is the Loving Creator, who gives unto the robots a great gift. That was the Vengeful Angel, who cast out the seraphs that angered Her. Two different gods, or two different faces/manifestations of the same god, depending on how Robot is going to swing it, I'm sure. |
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Post by kittygirlhazel on Dec 16, 2015 17:10:48 GMT
The red one might be a calliandra, or more specifically Calliandra haematocephala, the red variety. It seems no one’s assigned a particular meaning to this flower, but its scientific name has a pretty apt meaning. “Calliandra” comes from the Greek for “beauty” and “male”, so it could be about Robot’s assessment of her attractiveness, as well as a nod to her tomboyish/butch nature. “Haematocephala” comes from “blood” and “head”… I’m sure you can piece that together. Looks more like a thistle to me, possibly thorns at the bottom there. Gonna slap this line from Wikipedia here (no citation sadly): "In the language of flowers, the thistle (like the burr) is an ancient Celtic symbol of nobility of character as well as of birth, for the wounding or provocation of a thistle yields punishment." What say you and your symbology compared to this? If it's not just junk slapped on the page, fits quite well especially the "birth" bit. Ooh, I think you're onto something with the thistle there. And the thistle does definitely represent pain and wounding, which fits terrifyingly well with this whole chapter. Lastly, it is the national flower of Scotland, and Kat's dad is Scottish! So yes, I think it might be a thistle. Good spot! |
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Post by ctso74 on Dec 16, 2015 17:31:43 GMT
When she becomes a god, will she maintain her free will? Despite their belief that she is a robotic angel, it's never sat well with her and she's always had other things going on in her life besides the robots. Will she be able to maintain those after ascending, or will their belief override who she really is? In other words, will GodKat really be Kat, or will it be a crude facsimile formed from Robot's cult? I think the question for me is whether Kat herself will be transformed, or if she is merely the point of inspiration for the creation of what will become the physical goddess. It's never quite made explicit whether Coyote is genuinely the coyote from the desert, or merely how man perceived him, given form by the ether. If you took the ether out of him by some means, what would be left? Would he turn into a pile of bones from a long dead canine, or would he vanish completely? I guess what I'm asking is, is Kat merely the muse for what will become known by robots as the Angel, or is she the very canvas their beliefs will paint on? Good points. Ether deities/beings may come in different flavors, though. Some may be made purely of Ether and imagination, while others are Ether paint on a physical canvas. Some may have strictly dual natures like Annie, which might add an interesting compare/contrast, would Kat become similar. I can easily see Coyote first manifesting from a shadow, that some scared person thought looked like a coyote, but plenty of deities may have a strong physical nature. |
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Post by l33tninja on Dec 16, 2015 17:43:36 GMT
I think Robot's next line will be "All shall see me . . . and despair!"
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Post by sharplmages on Dec 16, 2015 17:47:07 GMT
I notice that robot's vision of kat isn't in the angel form, perhaps the robots don't see kat in the angel form Though we get AngelKat from Zimmyvision - and Zimmy is finely tuned into the ether. Do the robots have a concept of the ether, being of the Court? Is this why all of them seem to see Kat as 'angelic', even the ones who haven't had much contact with Robot and his proselytizing (Sky Watcher, anyone?) Not entirely sure what I'm proposing here (sorry, this is 78% off-topic), but what if the Court robots were somehow connected with the ether? It might explain how the earliest robots were made and how they each seem to have distinct personalities :s |
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Post by goldenknots on Dec 16, 2015 18:07:18 GMT
Kat looks way more feminine than she has in the past.
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Post by meghatron on Dec 16, 2015 19:58:36 GMT
Finally, the purple one is almost certainly a primrose! The primrose means kindness, gentleness and nurturing. It can also mean first love or innocence, and finally, “I can’t live without you” – which has an absolutely amazing double meaning when applied to this context! All of these except primrose and ivy aren’t 100% certain, but this is what I think the meanings are, and they all seem to fit quite well. (For the record, the daisy on Kat’s Headband of Heterosexuality means chastity, love, and transformation. Hm…) I thought the purple ones might be Morning Glories and their message on the mortality of life! ...and unrequited/restricted love which is kind of disturbing but hey, dear Robby's been kind of disturbing lately. [edit] I went a-hunting and there's definitely a daffodil variety that looks like the yellow ones, the Yellow Hoop Petticoat Daffodil |
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Post by nero on Dec 16, 2015 19:58:53 GMT
The blue dress brings to mind the Blue Fairy. But maybe all mothers wear blue dresses in the Court. Shadow can help Robot tone down on his teachings and remind him again that this is not being done with Kat's permission.
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Post by mordekai on Dec 16, 2015 20:11:28 GMT
When a robotic prophet among a race of advanced sentient machines presents the Bible of Pain to his brethen, I think it may be time to take an extended vacation outside the Known Universe...  |
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Post by storyteller on Dec 16, 2015 20:12:46 GMT
I guess what I'm asking is, is Kat merely the muse for what will become known by robots as the Angel, or is she the very canvas their beliefs will paint on? That is the question of the hour no year. Coyote's words could mean that he was the coyote, or that he was the canvas, and we don't know which. The reason everyone is nervous I believe is the tone of the pages when Robot is being the Preacher of the Angel, dark and ominous. It is heightened as he never does so in front of a human, and it is just boiling away unseen. Which while a creation of a god is no laughing matter, especially not one with how Robot describes it, how it is constantly unseen by Kat would be most important if she was to be affected by it. Another factor is that, while Zimmy was our first glimpse of the effects, canvas or muse would appear the same to her. However, Kat has been taking on... the mantle of the god that Robot is creating. Some things that have been happening around her make sense if you consider the story Robot is building around her. She was enabled access to the ROD, and it isn't said whether the librarian was just a pushover in truth, or that she had more authority to order him out. Reality is very subjective in the ether, and to Kat he appeared to be a punk pushing too far, while to Annie and Mort he was a towering... something. But what is in the ether, tends to be true in some form. Just ask Zimmy, and Anthony. Another big piece is what happened with the whale ship. Zimmingham had gone dormant for everyone but Zimmy, and Zimmy had rain as well. Yet Kat still turned into the angel form. She is using the authority of the Angel in some manner, and while it could be bleed through from beign the muse, it also be from being a canvas. We know that the ether runs on life and belief. I am not so certain upon what it counts though. Would an animal sacrifice, or a sacrifice of wheat, blood (not a life but spilled blood cells) or another type of plant count? A lot of the more... blatant Angel stuff outside of Zimmy or Robot's preaching was after Thread. Where there was the ruined experiment, that did die. Cells are technically alive, needing nutrition, and both reproduce and die. And Robot claimed it for his preaching. Both the events of ROD, and the Torn Sea happened after that, when there is a possibility that that death is fueling the ether now. Just some thoughts that I wanted to share. |
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Post by Daedalus on Dec 16, 2015 20:32:57 GMT
I notice that robot's vision of kat isn't in the angel form, perhaps the robots don't see kat in the angel form Though we get AngelKat from Zimmyvision - and Zimmy is finely tuned into the ether. Do the robots have a concept of the ether, being of the Court? Is this why all of them seem to see Kat as 'angelic', even the ones who haven't had much contact with Robot and his proselytizing (Sky Watcher, anyone?) Not entirely sure what I'm proposing here (sorry, this is 78% off-topic), but what if the Court robots were somehow connected with the ether? It might explain how the earliest robots were made and how they each seem to have distinct personalities :s Check out this helpful reference on the subject |
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Post by sharplmages on Dec 16, 2015 20:54:51 GMT
Though we get AngelKat from Zimmyvision - and Zimmy is finely tuned into the ether. Do the robots have a concept of the ether, being of the Court? Is this why all of them seem to see Kat as 'angelic', even the ones who haven't had much contact with Robot and his proselytizing (Sky Watcher, anyone?) Not entirely sure what I'm proposing here (sorry, this is 78% off-topic), but what if the Court robots were somehow connected with the ether? It might explain how the earliest robots were made and how they each seem to have distinct personalities :s Check out this helpful reference on the subject aaaa that's a lot of words But yes! That's honestly a better-worded version of what I've been considering as a theory for years. |
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Post by sharplmages on Dec 16, 2015 21:04:23 GMT
Regarding the heart symbolism on the page - it bears a strong resemblance (stylistically) to the golem heart. Suggests maybe that she's coming closer to discovering/re-working/mastering the way Diego created the first Court robots? |
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Post by kelantar on Dec 16, 2015 21:19:36 GMT
I thought the purple ones might be Morning Glories and their message on the mortality of life! ...and unrequited/restricted love which is kind of disturbing but hey, dear Robby's been kind of disturbing lately. The blue one could also be a blue picotee morning glory. |
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Post by Gotolei on Dec 17, 2015 0:24:53 GMT
Not only is the finger still broken, it looks like he's taken off the splint as well and is letting the fracture be bent around even more.
Just another thing to add onto the 'delusional' pile :I
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Post by warrl on Dec 17, 2015 1:47:25 GMT
We're all a little bit nuts here, methinks, haha. Speak for yourself! Hmph. "A little bit". How rude.  |
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Post by storyteller on Dec 17, 2015 2:02:11 GMT
Not only is the finger still broken, it looks like he's taken off the splint as well and is letting the fracture be bent around even more. Just another thing to add onto the 'delusional' pile :I He took off the splint? *Checks update* He did. I am hoping that this is him imagining things, otherwise as Robot had asked to show Shadow, not the rest of the robots, I am suspicious that he is actually capable of lying. Without being dead obvious about it. *Thinks* I am stating the dead obvious aren't I. |
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Post by hellohello on Dec 17, 2015 3:26:23 GMT
Finally, the purple one is almost certainly a primrose! The primrose means kindness, gentleness and nurturing. It can also mean first love or innocence, and finally, “I can’t live without you” – which has an absolutely amazing double meaning when applied to this context! All of these except primrose and ivy aren’t 100% certain, but this is what I think the meanings are, and they all seem to fit quite well. (For the record, the daisy on Kat’s Headband of Heterosexuality means chastity, love, and transformation. Hm…) I thought the purple ones might be Morning Glories and their message on the mortality of life! ...and unrequited/restricted love which is kind of disturbing but hey, dear Robby's been kind of disturbing lately. [edit] I went a-hunting and there's definitely a daffodil variety that looks like the yellow ones, the Yellow Hoop Petticoat Daffodil I thought Morning Glories as well, it looks nothing like the primroses I've seen, but there's always so many varieties I'm rarely 100% certain about identification. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Dec 17, 2015 4:07:04 GMT
Not only is the finger still broken, it looks like he's taken off the splint as well and is letting the fracture be bent around even more. Just another thing to add onto the 'delusional' pile :I Maybe Robot is trying to change his new hand to suit his need for a thumb. |
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Post by zaferion on Dec 17, 2015 8:31:29 GMT
I could be wrong, but it looks like it might be Jeanne's dress. edit: After a quick look through the chapters I KNOW Jeanne is heavily featured in, I couldn't find her in said dress, but I swear to god I remember her in a dress like that at some point. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Dec 17, 2015 11:58:42 GMT
I could be wrong, but it looks like it might be Jeanne's dress. edit: After a quick look through the chapters I KNOW Jeanne is heavily featured in, I couldn't find her in said dress, but I swear to god I remember her in a dress like that at some point. I am guessing that you thinking of this dress. It is similar, but Kat's dress has sleeves while Jeanne's does not. The first one on this page might be close, but it morphs into a border and we can't see enough of it to know. Definitely not her portrait dress. Although Kat might be equally uncomfortable as Jeanne in that dress. I do think Robot is using his idealized images of Jeanne to form an idealized image of Kat and he is morphing Kat's blue coverall into a dress. |
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