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Post by sapientcoffee on Jun 3, 2015 6:20:30 GMT
A while ago, I asked CoyoteReborn about his view of Coyote in a private message... (edited for length!) You know, this made me wonder if the comic will end with the Forest and the Court coming together to kick Coyote back west. And how involved Coyote was before he created the ravine... |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jun 3, 2015 11:56:34 GMT
A while ago, I asked CoyoteReborn about his view of Coyote in a private message... (edited for length!) You know, this made me wonder if the comic will end with the Forest and the Court coming together to kick Coyote back west. And how involved Coyote was before he created the ravine... I believe Tom said that the Forest and Court would not be brought back together within Annie's and Kat's storylines. Sorry I don't have time to try and find Tom's statement. That doesn't mean that Coyote will still be around at the end of this saga, but don't expect Annie and Kat to bring about world peace. |
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Post by Daedalus on Jun 3, 2015 12:31:34 GMT
A while ago, I asked CoyoteReborn about his view of Coyote in a private message... (edited for length!) You know, this made me wonder if the comic will end with the Forest and the Court coming together to kick Coyote back west. And how involved Coyote was before he created the ravine... Given the posturing and 'might is right' philosophy of the Forest, I doubt that anyone will displace Coyote unless they have more raw power than him. And despite his silliness and occasional cloud-cuckoolander-ness, Coyote is ridiculously overpowered compared to anything else we have seen yet. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jun 5, 2015 2:40:18 GMT
... The court is breeding people for increased etheric abilities. Had a dark thought and November's post above was the closes thing I could find with a quick search. So... First dark thought: Maybe the Court intentionally set up Surma so Anthony would father Surma's child. The Court may have wanted Surma's child to be calmer than Surma and so the Court could have a fire elemental they could control (or at least predict). If they knew Surma's biological imperative would kick in when she was about 25 years old, then all they had to do was isolate Surma from everyone except Anthony and Anthony became Mr Available. Second really dark thought: What if the Court decides that Antimony isn't calm enough and they want Anthony to also father the next generation. Pardon me while I go rinse my brain with bleach. |
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Post by Daedalus on Jun 5, 2015 4:42:25 GMT
What if the Court decides that Antimony isn't calm enough and they want Anthony to also father the next generation. Pardon me while I go rinse my brain with bleach. Go back in your corner, and give me your brain bleach when you're done with it. |
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Post by Chancellor on Jun 5, 2015 7:01:19 GMT
Noooooope.
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Post by bedinsis on Jun 5, 2015 7:06:47 GMT
Second really dark thought: What if the Court decides that Antimony isn't calm enough and they want Anthony to also father the next generation. Pardon me while I go rinse my brain with bleach. That is too icky for me to even to consider. The first one is more believable; after all the court has in the past manipulated both Reynardine and Jeanne for their own gains, so manipulating Surma wouldn't be unbelievable. |
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Post by keef on Jun 5, 2015 21:21:24 GMT
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Post by Daedalus on Jun 7, 2015 23:40:10 GMT
This is a strip that makes me feel Coyote is Tom's alter ego. This is a thing I have said as well. Wild speculation, or not so wild? XD "This strip" refers to this one. What a smartass. |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Jun 8, 2015 7:08:44 GMT
Jelly Jellybean and bedinsis: A while ago, I asked CoyoteReborn about his view of Coyote in a private message, because I was curious of his perspective about what makes Coyote tick (other than that clock he swallowed a couple decades ago). It seems to me that he grasps Coyote's character pretty well, being able to stay in character for long periods on this board and on the IRC and all. In summary, what he suggested is this: That's pretty thorough. The only thing I'm not on board with is, I think Coyote pretends to be unsubtle, so the court takes him less seriously. But he's demonstrated quite the opposite with his actions. You find plenty of characters who are certain of Coyote's intentions - which tenders him a level of wary trust that causes most people to have no interest in the goings-on of the forest (let's not go there, 'tis a silly place). Except for Annie of course, who became more interested. But the truth is, we don't know for sure what Coyote wants. What would a person want, if they were all-powerful but didn't believe they were real? That's the open question nobody at the Court has bothered to ask. Why should they? Coyote's done such a great job of making it look like they don't need to ask it. |
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Post by Daedalus on Jun 17, 2015 18:10:10 GMT
Not all of this is quite "Wild Speculation", but let us compare some scenes depicting Annie's parents. We have seen two very different sides of Surma here and here. Surma was revealed to have a cruel/ends-justifies-means streak when dealing with Renard in the past, but was a very warm and kind mother to Annie when she was in Good Hope. Meanwhile we have seen Tony's contradictions here and here. It seems that Anthony was a much more...human when he was younger, seeing as he had feelings back then (/snark). But now (and during most hospital scenes) he's about as emotionally distant and manipulative as a character can be. Perhaps it's just interesting that Annie's parents developed in opposite ways emotionally. They certainly had adequate reason to - adjusting to their own mortality and that of their loved ones. Or maybe Tony, in the process of trying to save Surma, transferred some part of her into himself, and inherited all of her latent cruelty. It could also explain why he appeared to be able to use potent etheric means (the bone lasers) despite being confirmed to have not been interested or talented in anything non-scientific when he was younger. Tying to an even more out-there theory, it could be that this same effect is sapping Annie's will as we've seen recently. |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Jun 18, 2015 8:32:11 GMT
He must be using the ether in some manner. There's no way he's sitting down alone every night with nothing but Annie's homework, which shouldn't be that tough to grade, doing nadda except intermittently attempting to prod a response out of Renard. If Rey just stopped pretending to be asleep for a second, he'd probably discover it was like a damn fairy classroom in there.
Alternative theory: Anthony is secretly a bag of oranges.
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Post by justcurious on Jun 18, 2015 9:28:46 GMT
A couple of speculations about why Surma ended up with Anthony.
One which is probably part of the truth, is that Anthony was willing to father a child with her and others were not. Others knew that she would die id this happened but Anthony was sure he could prevent this happening. Whether Surma believed this is a more difficult question.
The other much more speculative one is that Surma was drawn to the intensity of Anthony's feelings even if he was bad at expressing them. If I'm right about Anthony being an Asperger's/Autism case his problem is not with his ability to feel but his ability to understand feelings. This can lead to fewer bonds to other people and he might have compensated by making those few very intense.
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Post by donna on Jun 19, 2015 1:08:45 GMT
Wild Speculation.... is GC about eugenics? could it be how Eglamore didn't end up w Surma yet Tony did?
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Post by donna on Jun 19, 2015 1:12:41 GMT
another wild idea... could the white haired lady... www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=294 possibly be Annie, as in the narrator looking back on her younger days? |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jun 19, 2015 2:18:48 GMT
another wild idea... could the white haired lady... www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=294 possibly be Annie, as in the narrator looking back on her younger days? Psst... On this thread there is a listing of all the pages with links to discussions threads for each page. The only trick is that in the earlier pages the page numbers that appears in the page address (in this case 294) were off from the actual page numbers, so you have to look at the little title to see that 296: Two-week hiatus is the page you are referencing. On the page threads, you can see what was previously discussed after each page was published. In this case the person you are referring to is Tea. And just so you know, Tom used to leave some post in the forum, but he backed off to let the comic speak for itself. From what I understand, part of it was because some people thought that Alistair (Chapter 13) was being abused by his parents. Tom already had Annie's story arc planned out, including the return of her father. It appears that Tom knew there would be a whole lot of upset people when Anthony returned. |
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Post by Daedalus on Jun 19, 2015 5:38:20 GMT
sorry. I made an accidental dupe post and can't delete it... The "Delete" option is in the gear-shaped menu to the right of the "Like" button above your post  another wild idea... could the white haired lady... www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=294 possibly be Annie, as in the narrator looking back on her younger days? Tom has named her as Tea, a non-canon Court student who also appeared in his work before GKC. Some people consider her to be his avatar to some degree, though he's jossed that. But I like this speculation! |
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Post by donna on Jun 19, 2015 19:17:51 GMT
Thanks! I appreciate the info! another wild idea... could the white haired lady... www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=294 possibly be Annie, as in the narrator looking back on her younger days? Psst... On this thread there is a listing of all the pages with links to discussions threads for each page. The only trick is that in the earlier pages the page numbers that appears in the page address (in this case 294) were off from the actual page numbers, so you have to look at the little title to see that 296: Two-week hiatus is the page you are referencing. On the page threads, you can see what was previously discussed after each page was published. In this case the person you are referring to is Tea. And just so you know, Tom used to leave some post in the forum, but he backed off to let the comic speak for itself. From what I understand, part of it was because some people thought that Alistair (Chapter 13) was being abused by his parents. Tom already had Annie's story arc planned out, including the return of her father. It appears that Tom knew there would be a whole lot of upset people when Anthony returned. |
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Post by Daedalus on Jun 20, 2015 19:26:21 GMT
If Rey just stopped pretending to be asleep for a second, he'd probably discover it was like a damn fairy classroom in there. WoT says that looking into the ether is as easy for Rey as switching your focus from the foreground to the background. So there is a very good chance that Rey has spent time looking at Anthony in the ether. He didn't comment on anything to Kat, but it could be because they didn't have much time to speak to each other. Or, as we've seen with Kat, there are some pseudo-etheric effects that aren't visible in the ether. |
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Post by Bill on Jul 5, 2015 15:23:38 GMT
So, how else can Tom use Anthony to kick us in the feels?...
To top it all off, he could have Annie recover, redeem Mr. Carver, and then have him suddenly and tragically/unexpectedly die in the presence of his psychopomp daughter. They then have a brief chat before she takes him into the ether herself.
This is made worse by the fact that some people are undoubtedly hoping he dies horribly and soon, especially for those people.
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Post by keef on Jul 5, 2015 20:05:04 GMT
So, how else can Tom use Anthony to kick us in the feels?... To top it all off, he could have Annie recover, redeem Mr. Carver, and then have him suddenly and tragically/unexpectedly die in the presence of his psychopomp daughter. They then have a brief chat before she takes him into the ether herself. a bit melodramatic, but you never know.I don't think there is much of a relation between what people say in anger or frustration and what they really wish for, and outside cyberspace this is common knowledge. But I'm certain that if Tony does die a horrid death some idiot will say things like: 'Are you happy now!!! You terrible people!!!' This forum is no better than the rest of the internet in that respect. |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Jul 6, 2015 0:00:41 GMT
(edited for length!) You know, this made me wonder if the comic will end with the Forest and the Court coming together to kick Coyote back west. And how involved Coyote was before he created the ravine... I believe Tom said that the Forest and Court would not be brought back together within Annie's and Kat's storylines. Sorry I don't have time to try and find Tom's statement. That doesn't mean that Coyote will still be around at the end of this saga, but don't expect Annie and Kat to bring about world peace. I don't? I didn't mean come together in peace, I meant a temporary alliance to kick Coyote back 'home'. The Court and the Forest have very different paradigms; at most, I'd expect them to find a way to coexist peacefully. But it hasn't really been revealed what all the court is up to, Coyote goading aside. Or what Coyote's ultimate goal is, if he has one. It'd be interesting if there was a Forest battle against Coyote and a Court battle against the higher ups. |
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Post by todd on Jul 6, 2015 0:21:12 GMT
I'm not sure that the Court and the Forest joining forces would be enough to take down Coyote. A more likely scenario for Coyote's departure would be his getting bored with the Gunnerkrigg/Gilltie area and deciding to leave and find somewhere new for him to meddle with for his own entertainment (maybe back to the American Southwest).
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jul 6, 2015 2:31:43 GMT
I'm not sure that the Court and the Forest joining forces would be enough to take down Coyote. A more likely scenario for Coyote's departure would be his getting bored with the Gunnerkrigg/Gilltie area and deciding to leave and find somewhere new for him to meddle with for his own entertainment (maybe back to the American Southwest). If everyone decides to ignore Coyote, then he might get bored and leave. The Court is doing their part, so it would be up to the Forest to stop enabling Coyote. But I don't think this will ever happen. |
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Post by todd on Jul 26, 2015 0:51:56 GMT
This theory is probably too reasonable for this thread, but:
The cruise ship wasn't really infatuated with Lindsey. It was just pretending to be at the request of the Seraphs.
The Seraphs want to get Kat to concentrate on her robot-building research, which she's been neglecting. And they decide (following the Court robots' tendency towards bizarre planning of the variety best described as "the trouble with artificial intelligence is it's artificial") to come up with the whole mad scheme of physically placing Kat (and everyone else) in Zimmy's world where its different set of rules can allow her to build a robot body without tools, by just willing it, and rekindle her enthusiasm for the project.
But they don't want her to be too suspicious about that being their real goal, so they need a cover story. They persuade the cruise ship to help them for the good of the cause, having it invent something about wanting to be made flesh so that it can woo Lindsey (really, so that Kat can get excited about her project again by experiencing the thrill of shaping a body), playing the part of a besotted would-be lover in the suitably hammed-up fashion of "It's the only way". (This would explain why the ship never considers such questions as whether Lindsey would accept its suit, no matter how handsome to her standards the ship's new body was, after what it had done to her charges, or for that matter, whether it would have the opportunity to woo Lindsey after facing charges over its actions - what good would it do to win Lindsey if its CPU was then locked up indefinitely in the robot prison? - though that could also be explained as the ship being too desire-crazed to think out the logical consequences of its actions.) And the ship will serve as the front man, with the Seraphs appearing as merely accomplices and getting less attention from the Court's justice system (whether human or robot), allowing the Seraphs to continue their plotting in secret. Granted, the ship will still have to serve out its time in robot prison, no matter what its motivation, but if it gets the "robots' goddess" back fulfilling her mission - in the words of the "Gospel of Kat", "It was worth it".
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Post by Bill on Jul 30, 2015 22:55:58 GMT
Not really speculation so much as hopes and dreams, but this seems like the best place for it. If you know a better thread, I'll move it. When Annie finally recombines permanently, I want her to spend the entire day either wreathed in, on, or as fire. Minus the heat, of course. Even better if it's a school day. She will have to make it less distracting for the other students during class. Still too distracting? Just her hands, books, and notes then.I have no idea what her new classmates would think (other than "Is this the same person?"), but I can picture the teachers. "Where have you been? And what the heck are you doing?" To which Annie has ready responses/excuses. "I split myself in half at the start of the year. It just feels so good to be whole again, I have to express myself. I thought you should get to know my other half before I go back to normal. Haha, no, what you saw of me before was not normal." If anyone wants to make fanart of this scenario, I suspect it would make most of us very happy. |
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Post by Daedalus on Jul 31, 2015 17:45:45 GMT
Crosspost:My wildspec for what this "Omega Device" is that it is the Bone Lasers, but that's not its general purpose. Instead, it is a device created to suppress etheric powers altogether, which fits with the Court's disdain for etheric technology. It also would be very helpful as a weapon against the Forest if they ever returned to open conflict, giving them a pragmatic reason to construct it - it might even be able to harm Coyote, since he is a being entirely made of ether. It may be fueled by the ether collected by the stations as we saw early in the comic (which has been hinted to be significant), and I think that Tony just tried to field test it on his daughter to suppress her etheric side*. If the Seed Bismuth is still growing like a cancer (as some people have suggested) it could be used to suppress that as well. If my pet WildSpec is true (see userbar), it could also be used to control AngelKat if she does not follow the Court's wishes. *His motivations for doing so are, of course, in question. This page may imply that he intentionally got Surma pregnant to study the pregnancy of a fire elemental, or conversely that it wasn't intentional but he tried to save her once it happened.
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Post by wombat140 on Aug 19, 2015 22:03:53 GMT
Just been looking at the first few pages of this thread, and surprised by how many were right on the money. Either a) people are forgetting the "wild speculation" rule, b) Mr Siddell can speculate more wildly than we do, or c) he's mining this thread for ideas.
My turn: There is no Gamma Czarnecki. Zimmy spun off her own better nature, Antimony-style, because she realised it was gonna die otherwise in the face of everything she was having to deal with. Everyone can see Zimmy's imaginary friend because Zimmy is Zimmy.
(But I would be sad if this was actually true, because I like Gamma.)
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 19, 2015 23:55:13 GMT
Also, it shows that flying high enough over the ravine is safe. No birds suddenly fall dead over that place, either. My turn: There is no Gamma Czarnecki. Zimmy spun off her own better nature, Antimony-style, because she realised it was gonna die otherwise in the face of everything she was having to deal with. Everyone can see Zimmy's imaginary friend because Zimmy is Zimmy. She may be Zimmy's imaginary ideal friend even without this. Whether ex nihilo, or just another girl who stopped by, remained close to Zimmy at a wrong time and was twisted by that power. Zimmy feels responsible for this, while Gamma likes being Gamma and helping Zimmy, even if it's tough sometimes. (But I would be sad if this was actually true, because I like Gamma.) Why? Now she's here. However she came to be, is there any difference? |
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Post by wombat140 on Aug 24, 2015 13:04:00 GMT
Now, that's an even creepier - and cleverer - idea. And yes, if Gamma actually does exist in some way (I'm not sure that the Fire Being actually exists, as a separate mind), then there she is. ...Having started life as an imaginary friend probably isn't even unique in Chester House :-D
And:
Boxbot is the Omega Device. His seeming incompetence is just a cover. ...Nah. Nothing needs that much cover. Sorry Boxbot.
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