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Post by OGRuddawg on Nov 24, 2014 0:17:33 GMT
Theory: Renard is allowed to leave the Court after his assistance in helping the kids escape from the lovesick cruise ship. Either that or the Court punishes him for leaving the Court just to be jerks about it. I'm not sure which is more likely, but I REALLLLLLYYYY want to see Rey in the forest!
I doubt this is wild enough spec for this thread... I'll think of something crazier in 5 minutes.
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Post by warrl on Nov 24, 2014 5:53:34 GMT
Well, so far we haven't seen Rey leave Court property. (A ship chartered by the Court would count as Court property for the duration of the charter; but I suspect the Court owns the ship in question. Along with the robots' speedboats.) If the particular bit of Zimmingship that he's on happens to disappear and dump him in the ocean, then technically he'd be off Court property but then he'd probably seek to make his way back to the ship or a boat ASAP. That wouldn't be grounds for punishment either. And he's been offered the chance to return to the Forest. By Annie. He turned it down. You're late...  |
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Post by OGRuddawg on Nov 28, 2014 6:09:51 GMT
I think Anthony Carver is trying to find a way to bring back Surma using the fire elemental flame inside Annie. That's what the surgical knife and the bones sticking out of Annie's fire elemental side are for(Microsat 5 and Divine). What else could the bones represent?  |
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Post by Chancellor on Nov 28, 2014 7:44:25 GMT
That's heinous.
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Post by November on Nov 28, 2014 7:56:46 GMT
I think Anthony Carver is trying to find a way to bring back Surma using the fire elemental flame inside Annie. That's what the surgical knife and the bones sticking out of Annie's fire elemental side are for(Microsat 5 and Divine). What else could the bones represent? I agree that he's trying to "lock down" the fire elemental in her and then remove it from her, but I don't think he wants to bring Surma back. I think he's doing it for Annies sake. He already lost his wife to it, his daughter has it now, and he doesn't want to lose his daughter to it as well. He might think of it as some kind of etheric disease he can remove. (IIRC that's why he became a doctor, to try to keep Surma healthy?) The line "He still loves you very much" springs to mind. |
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Post by Daedalus on Nov 28, 2014 8:02:32 GMT
I think Anthony Carver is trying to find a way to bring back Surma using the fire elemental flame inside Annie. That's what the surgical knife and the bones sticking out of Annie's fire elemental side are for(Microsat 5 and Divine). What else could the bones represent? I agree that he's trying to "lock down" the fire elemental in her and then remove it from her, but I don't think he wants to bring Surma back. I think he's doing it for Annies sake. He already lost his wife to it, his daughter has it now, and he doesn't want to lose his daughter to it as well. He might think of it as some kind of etheric disease he can remove. (IIRC that's why he became a doctor, to try to keep Surma healthy?) The line "He still loves you very much" springs to mind. I think that trying to raise the dead as OGRuddawg suggests is totally a plausible motive, though I think this has been mentioned before a couple times in this thread... |
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Post by warrl on Nov 28, 2014 17:19:37 GMT
This one is half-plausible. That is, it's based on an implausible premise, but if that premise happens to be true then the follow-up is plausible.
The implausible premise: George washes out as Court Protector, or gets herself killed.
The plausible follow-up: Paz is the next Court Protector.
Why?
Paz is among the few kids who have acted decisively and effectively, putting herself at risk for a greater end, when circumstances were not forcing her to take any action. And she's done it twice that we've seen (granting that the first time it was emotional risk).
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Post by Daedalus on Nov 28, 2014 22:25:58 GMT
This one is half-plausible. That is, it's based on an implausible premise, but if that premise happens to be true then the follow-up is plausible. The implausible premise: George washes out as Court Protector, or gets herself killed. The plausible follow-up: Paz is the next Court Protector. Why? Paz is among the few kids who have acted decisively and effectively, putting herself at risk for a greater end, when circumstances were not forcing her to take any action. And she's done it twice that we've seen (granting that the first time it was emotional risk). Personally, I think she'd fit well as Medium for the Court if Smitty fails - she could talk with all of the animals that usually require others to speak for them. But Smitty can't fail, because events will conspire to prevent it. Probably. |
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Post by mariposa on Dec 3, 2014 15:54:58 GMT
I think this is my first time posting in this thread! (But that doesn't mean I haven't been fabricating wild Gunnerkrigg theories for years!) (Preemptive apology if my theory has been suggested before, I don't really keep up with this thread. Also apologies for lack of links, I'm on mobile currently. And also links just take a lot of time.) So, remember when we saw how Kat looks to Zimmy? I personally feel there's some resemblance between her and the Zimmingham appearance of the Seraphs. So I was considering the possible implications of this. It almost seems like Kat is kind of robot-like herself. And for people, an angel looks mostly like a person, so, maybe for robots, an angel is kind of like a robot. She could read their special cube, that humans shouldn't be able to read! Now, it's obviously very unlikely that she's an android, as that's established to be beyond the limits of technology. Plus, Kat just seems very human, and I don't think it would fit with the story for her to not be. But what if she's just a tiny bit robot, kinda like how Annie is a tiny bit fire elemental? This would seem pretty impossible, except for the fact that robots in Gunnerkrigg aren't actually robots. Or, at least, some of them aren't, and at the Court, even the ones that are have some...weirdness about them. They're golems, right? And golems are magical! And we really haven't been told very much at all yet about that magic, so there's nothing to say that Kat couldn't have a little of the same magic in her too! But, yeah, I do understand what golems are supposed to be, and they don't reproduce. (at least, to my knowledge) Anja and Donald don't seem to garner any special attention from the robots the way Kat does, so neither of them has the same special robot magic as their daughter. So, how did she get the special robot magic in her? (sorry, I don't know what to call this thing.) Maybe her parents gave it to her. They've got a lot of mysterious magic+science mumbo jumbo going on, and we've probably only seen the tip of the iceberg. Heck, Anthony even probably could have helped, given the weirdness we saw him pull back in Chapter Zimmy-Enters-Annie's-Brain-And-Punches-Her-Dad. Okay, but why would Anja and Donald, who seem like very reasonable people, do such a bizarre thing? Maybe they made Kat the Creator on purpose, because somehow that power can save Annie, and end the horrible fire elemental mother death cycle! Or, to tie into the hypothesis OGRuddawg made, if Kat can bring a robot (or golem) to life, maybe she can bring Surma back, too! I do admit that I don't think Gunnerkrigg is the kind of story where everything hinges on Annie's ability to give birth to a child.  |
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Post by Le Moose on Dec 4, 2014 5:26:51 GMT
I'm pretty sure Kat is a biological android. Naturally, she doesn't know this herself;but it would explain her natural affinity for science and technology (Well, such an affinity doesn't need an explanation; it is just an affinity and doesn't mean anything about what she is. But, that being said, it doesn't contradict the theory - so I'm mentioning it. And I've gone off on a horrible tangent. Sorry.).
Firstly, when she tells her parents of her project to build Robot a new body, her mum gets this forlorn look that implies some history the couple may have with robotics. Not enough to support my theory on it's own, I know, but it does suggest that her parents are carrying Baggage.
Next, at the end of the chapter in which Zimmy goes crawling around in Annie's head-space we get to see how Kat looks from Zimmy's perspective: some sort of artificial (and/or eldritch) being. Quite clearly, not human.
And finally, on this page, when Jones hears that Shadow has lived in the Court all his life and "Is even best friends with a robot", she says that "he sounds a little like you, Antimony". Annie takes this comment literally, mentioning how she and Kat taught him to speak - but it is entirely possible Jones meant that, like Shadow, Annie calls the court home and has a robot for a best friend. Should this theory prove true, it could also provide an explanation as to why the robots of the Court have begun to treat Kat almost as a deity - knowing or having some inclination of her true nature. Also, given that Kat's parents are not strangers to technomancy, it's possible Kat is some blend of robotics and sourcery. Should others have already come to this conclusion, I apologize for wasting space. I also apologize for any horribly-long-winded and nonsensical sentences. mariposa, I came to a simmilar conclusion myself. It never struck me that she could be a golem, though. I rather like the thought.  |
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Post by zimmyzims on Dec 4, 2014 13:23:33 GMT
I think Anthony Carver is trying to find a way to bring back Surma using the fire elemental flame inside Annie. That's what the surgical knife and the bones sticking out of Annie's fire elemental side are for(Microsat 5 and Divine). What else could the bones represent? I agree that he's trying to "lock down" the fire elemental in her and then remove it from her, but I don't think he wants to bring Surma back. I think he's doing it for Annies sake. He already lost his wife to it, his daughter has it now, and he doesn't want to lose his daughter to it as well. He might think of it as some kind of etheric disease he can remove. (IIRC that's why he became a doctor, to try to keep Surma healthy?) The line "He still loves you very much" springs to mind. This is the way I see it, too. But there's probably even more to it. Tony is a big time dark horse in GKC. And this page suggests that he has played some important role in Court probably having to do with its anti-forest coups, and I have proposed it before, and still think it is more than likely, that Tony and Surma have been on some mission together. Now, Anthony may still be in some Court mission, and I would not be surprised, but he might alternatively - or simultaneously - be working on his own, for his own purposes, and may have even cut the ties with the Court for some reason. I expect us to learn about this in future. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Dec 4, 2014 17:10:27 GMT
And this page suggests that he has played some important role in Court probably having to do with its anti-forest coups, and I have proposed it before, and still think it is more than likely, that Tony and Surma have been on some mission together. It took me a while to realize you were pointing out that Ysengrin used Anthony's full name even though the sweater only had Annie's first initial. I only followed the mistaken identity humor and didn't think of the implications of Ysengrin already knowing Anthony by name. |
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Post by keef on Dec 4, 2014 22:09:50 GMT
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Post by zimmyzims on Dec 4, 2014 22:28:35 GMT
And this page suggests that he has played some important role in Court probably having to do with its anti-forest coups, and I have proposed it before, and still think it is more than likely, that Tony and Surma have been on some mission together. It took me a while to realize you were pointing out that Ysengrin used Anthony's full name even though the sweater only had Annie's first initial. I only followed the mistaken identity humor and didn't think of the implications of Ysengrin already knowing Anthony by name. And not just Ys and Coyote (affirmed in the Carver is the father) knowing Anthony by name, but also that this name signifies something to them, something that makes his presence a particular threat. A lot is implied, willy nilly, although we can't really know exactly what. Or at least I have not found any real cues about that. And I'm not sure if even Tom knew what by then, nor if he knows it quite completely yet, although he clearly has, at least to some extent, made his mind about what Anthony is doing now. |
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Post by bedinsis on Dec 12, 2014 16:15:30 GMT
Theory: Jones will become the Psychopomp of robots. Her existence is dependent upon that some day in the future enough robots-merged-with-ether believe her to be the psychopomp of robots for her to have always existed, and thus her very long life.
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Post by aaroncampbell on Dec 12, 2014 19:03:39 GMT
Just had a monumental(ly stupid) idea: what if the ship were the rabbit? This whole exchange program was Coyote's idea, right? Well, the rabbit was sent to the Court; we don't know what loopholes there are in the agreement about what type of body they get? mitty says that animals become male, but the conversation only implies human. If the rabbit was expecting human but found himself in the body of a ship, what then? The fairy told us he's really smart, and now he's got the whole robot network of information to draw on. He finds out about Kat and her experiments in organic-robot hybridization and decides to go for it. (I don't know where the would have a thing for Lindsey comes in, but I'm not going to question it. Love is strange.) And now they've gone and killed the rabbit, who was driven by love and desperation by Coyote's trick to take extreme measures to find a body that would earn him respect. I know it's a stretch, but you have to admit Coyote would find the whole situation very amusing, and that's a good argument for it right there! (How's that for wild speculation?) |
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Post by November on Dec 12, 2014 19:29:08 GMT
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Post by calpal on Dec 12, 2014 23:45:55 GMT
Wild speculation: the Court learned of the robots worshipping Kat way back when and used this entire cruise as a ruse to experiment on the kids.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Dec 13, 2014 0:59:30 GMT
Wild speculation: the Court learned of the robots worshipping Kat way back when and used this entire cruise as a ruse to experiment on the kids. I don't think that one is wild. I believe most readers find that to be at least plausible. The Court tracks the students: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=724Kat's classmates noticed that the robots have a special affinity for Kat: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=901The Court monitors the students: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=979The Court spies on known associates of Anthony: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1006The Court provides the equipment and supplies Kat is using in her workshop. The amount and type of equipment couldn't have gone unnoticed. It is difficult to believe that the Court hasn't noticed Kat. The not-wild speculation really concerns how much the Court knows and what the Court is doing with that information. A benign view is that the Court knows she has a lot of potential and is encouraging that by helping her with resources but letting her develop at her own pace. A more malignant view is that the Court is experimenting on the students to accelerate their development, but that still doesn't require knowledge of the robot cult. |
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Post by aaroncampbell on Dec 15, 2014 15:44:04 GMT
Ah yes, that's right, darn facts getting in the way of fun wild thoughts! :-) Good catch! I do like your theory though. It would be a death knell for just about any webcomic to ditch most of the supporting cast and try to introduce a new one in one swell foop, but if anyone could pull it off it's Tom! Especially if it was only an interlude for a chapter or two, like the Forest storyline. Those were fun characters! |
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Post by KMar on Dec 15, 2014 20:19:32 GMT
Ah yes, that's right, darn facts getting in the way of fun wild thoughts! :-) Good catch! I do like your theory though. It would be a death knell for just about any webcomic to ditch most of the supporting cast and try to introduce a new one in one swell foop, but if anyone could pull it off it's Tom! Especially if it was only an interlude for a chapter or two, like the Forest storyline. Those were fun characters! Well, not necessarily ditch the current cast, but I for one wouldn't mind Tom introducing new characters. Edit. I mean, there are other students and people at the Court. There also is a whole world outside the Court and the Forest (as seen in Kat's postcards). |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Dec 19, 2014 0:55:43 GMT
I'm pretty sure Kat is a biological android. Naturally, she doesn't know this herself;but it would explain her natural affinity for science and technology (Well, such an affinity doesn't need an explanation; it is just an affinity and doesn't mean anything about what she is. But, that being said, it doesn't contradict the theory - so I'm mentioning it. And I've gone off on a horrible tangent. Sorry.).
Firstly, when she tells her parents of her project to build Robot a new body, her mum gets this forlorn look that implies some history the couple may have with robotics. Not enough to support my theory on it's own, I know, but it does suggest that her parents are carrying Baggage.
Next, at the end of the chapter in which Zimmy goes crawling around in Annie's head-space we get to see how Kat looks from Zimmy's perspective: some sort of artificial (and/or eldritch) being. Quite clearly, not human.
And finally, on this page, when Jones hears that Shadow has lived in the Court all his life and "Is even best friends with a robot", she says that "he sounds a little like you, Antimony". Annie takes this comment literally, mentioning how she and Kat taught him to speak - but it is entirely possible Jones meant that, like Shadow, Annie calls the court home and has a robot for a best friend.
Should this theory prove true, it could also provide an explanation as to why the robots of the Court have begun to treat Kat almost as a deity - knowing or having some inclination of her true nature. Also, given that Kat's parents are not strangers to technomancy, it's possible Kat is some blend of robotics and sourcery.
Should others have already come to this conclusion, I apologize for wasting space. I also apologize for any horribly-long-winded and nonsensical sentences. You're wild theory may be wild, but there are crazier ones running around. I initially thought "no way", but I can't think of anything in the comic that disproves you're theory. If you go down this rabbit hole, then... Maybe Kat is just a "dummy terminal" for the etheric computer Anja built. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=516www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1017www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1398With emotion algorithms and logic circuits that can be overloaded by smooches. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1274www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1434I've been thinking more about Le Moose's theory that Kat is an android, specifically a biological android... If Kat is an android made by Anja, and Kat starts to suspect that she is an android: - Would Kat ask her mother about it? - Would Anja tell Kat the truth, or would she lie to protect Kat from the truth so Kat can have a normal life? - Would Kat believe her mother if Anja says she is a normal girl, or would Kat realize that her mother would say that for her sake whether it is true or not? It seems like Anja could confirm that Kat is an android and Kat could believe it, but Kat could never know if a denial was true. So flip the first premise: if Kat is a normal human, and she starts to suspect that she is an android, how could Kat ever know that she is really human? Every attempt to tell that she is a normal girl would come with the uncertainty that she is being shielded from the truth. Paranoia would ensue unless dispelled by a large dose of denial. |
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Post by calpal on Dec 20, 2014 0:22:24 GMT
I've been thinking more about Le Moose's theory that Kat is an android, specifically a biological android... If Kat is an android made by Anja, and Kat starts to suspect that she is an android: - Would Kat ask her mother about it? - Would Anja tell Kat the truth, or would she lie to protect Kat from the truth so Kat can have a normal life? - Would Kat believe her mother if Anja says she is a normal girl, or would Kat realize that her mother would say that for her sake whether it is true or not? It seems like Anja could confirm that Kat is an android and Kat could believe it, but Kat could never know if a denial was true. So flip the first premise: if Kat is a normal human, and she starts to suspect that she is an android, how could Kat ever know that she is really human? Every attempt to tell that she is a normal girl would come with the uncertainty that she is being shielded from the truth. Paranoia would ensue unless dispelled by a large dose of denial. Give Kat a bit of credit, though. She's a very scientific and factual girl; she's not going to believe she's an android herself unless presented with overwhelming evidence that she is - and I mean overwhelming in the sense that Kat could not, as a person of science, turn a blind eye to that evidence without in some way becoming more like Annie and Rey by simply accepting some things as truth (which, as we've seen countless times before, is something Kat is not willing to do - even in the face of such overwhelmingly spiritual places like RotD, she's content to ask questions later). And creating a biological android... the first question is why (assuming that Kat's parents are fertile, who go through the effort of creating a child); the second question is how (how do you create a biological android that has the capacity to grow, feel and change in the same way organics do - keeping in mind that Kat's mom was stumped when faced with the androids in the bottom of the workshop, while Kat herself managed to bring one back to life, thus proving her professionally superior in robotics - and even she is only starting to grasp at growing robots herself). And as for the easiest way for Kat to determine if she's a biological android or not: cut samples of her own flesh and run tests on them. Even creating artificial life, you cannot have 100% accuracy to real organic material, and she could also test whether her DNA matches only one of her parents - suggesting that they took the nucleus of one of their own cells and used that to fertilize Kat's mom / grow in a vat. And last I recall, Kat's parents are not biology and/or medicinal experts. |
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Post by keef on Jan 18, 2015 15:56:30 GMT
Randy Disaster is the final boss of Gunnerkrig Court.
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Post by hp on Jan 25, 2015 6:34:53 GMT
Theory: Kat is an avatar or some kind of descendent or personification of the seed bismuth. That`s why she has an affinity with machines and can create things so easily. That`s also why she doesn`t have an etheric form.
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Post by philman on Jan 26, 2015 12:29:31 GMT
Theory: Kat is an avatar or some kind of descendent or personification of the seed bismuth. That`s why she has an affinity with machines and can create things so easily. That`s also why she doesn`t have an etheric form. how about she IS the seed Bismuth. We already know the court has no idea where the Tic Tocs came from, and much fan speculation revolves around Kat creating them and them somehow getting sent back in time, or them 'having always existed' once Kat becomes a god. She could easily just be the seed bismuth itself. |
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Post by Daedalus on Feb 3, 2015 21:53:58 GMT
I've realized that I said some Wild Spec things on yesterday's discussion thread. Perhaps they should be moved here.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Feb 3, 2015 23:40:47 GMT
I've realized that I said some Wild Spec things on yesterday's discussion thread. Perhaps they should be moved here. 1. Why would Jones want to switch bodies when she is already impervious to all damage? Does she wants to experience a haircut? 2. If Jones switched bodies, what would happen to her old, impervious to all damage, body? It would make a good park statue / City Face target! |
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Post by Daedalus on Feb 4, 2015 0:17:08 GMT
I've realized that I said some Wild Spec things on yesterday's discussion thread. Perhaps they should be moved here. 1. Why would Jones want to switch bodies when she is already impervious to all damage? Does she wants to experience a haircut? 2. If Jones switched bodies, what would happen to her old, impervious to all damage, body? It would make a good park statue / City Face target! 1) Coyote might want to put Jones in a less impervious body, because she's boring, doesn't like his plots, and won't let him get away with things. 2) Depends. Could someone else inhabit it? We don't know yet, but time may tell. |
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Post by keef on Feb 4, 2015 0:22:23 GMT
How does Coyote's soul manipultion reflect on the Glass-Eyed Men? Shadow's obviously a person in all non-biological senses of the word, and his people were created from Coyote. But since Coyote could not create for them an aiúa and since they obviously do have them, he must have borrowed it from elsewhere. He could have harvested it from the humans left in the Forest. Yes, I hope Annie will ask about this later.Maybe you need to be alive to have a soul, and Jones stated she is not. |
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