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Post by pyradonis on Feb 16, 2022 23:17:36 GMT
There is nothing inherently contradictory about the notion that Anja has some tree-elf ancestry and her being Romany and herself an immigrant from somewhere outside Britain (as indicated by her accent). In fact, if tree elves and humans are fully cross-fertile with each other and the hybrids have approximately normal human life-cycles, then statistically everyone with European ancestry has some tree-elf ancestry. Oh, of course not. However I was thinking more that some of the tree elves could have come from immigrants to those rural locations from places like Eastern Europe. There are plenty of them, after all. "Many of the current inhabitants are descended from those humans [who lived on the Forest side before the Divide]."
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Post by speedwell on Feb 17, 2022 13:17:21 GMT
Oh, of course not. However I was thinking more that some of the tree elves could have come from immigrants to those rural locations from places like Eastern Europe. There are plenty of them, after all. "Many of the current inhabitants are descendants of those humans [who lived on the Forest side before the Divide]." You're right. That makes me wonder exactly how far the world-before-the-Divide extended.
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Post by abbomeister on Feb 23, 2022 5:18:44 GMT
I've been reading through the archives again and when I got to 'Dobranoc, Gamma,' a question buzzed up out of the depths of my mind: what is it about Gamma and Annie that helps Zimmy focus on reality? Annie has a strong connection to the Ether, but no other powered kids help push out Zimmy's 'static' that we know of. Annie is very empathetic towards others, shown almost since the very beginning of the comic. During 'The Torn Sea,' Zimmy faced her fear of boats for Gamma so she could have a somewhat normal experience with the rest of the school kids, demonstrating empathy for someone else despite her debilitating condition. I don't know much about Gamma, except that she's got a psychic link with Zimmy, she's very shy, and speaks Polish. Maybe some of you more experienced Gunnerkriggers can tell me a bit more about our mysterious girl! There's also that strange circle over Zimmy's heart that may or may not appear on The Robot King's banners (edit: it's on page 642, not sure how to add links here). I wonder if the circle is related to Annie at all. That one chapter 'Divine' has those bone-things sticking out of Annie's inner fire elemental, approximately in the area where a heart would be. Any other ideas? I know Zimmy's powers have been speculated to death, but I think there might be enough clues to put it together. Maybe.
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Post by speedwell on Feb 23, 2022 14:36:07 GMT
I've been reading through the archives again and when I got to 'Dobranoc, Gamma,' a question buzzed up out of the depths of my mind: what is it about Gamma and Annie that helps Zimmy focus on reality? Annie has a strong connection to the Ether, but no other powered kids help push out Zimmy's 'static' that we know of. Annie is very empathetic towards others, shown almost since the very beginning of the comic. During 'The Torn Sea,' Zimmy faced her fear of boats for Gamma so she could have a somewhat normal experience with the rest of the school kids, demonstrating empathy for someone else despite her debilitating condition. I don't know much about Gamma, except that she's got a psychic link with Zimmy, she's very shy, and speaks Polish. Maybe some of you more experienced Gunnerkriggers can tell me a bit more about our mysterious girl! There's also that strange circle over Zimmy's heart that may or may not appear on The Robot King's banners (edit: it's on page 642, not sure how to add links here). I wonder if the circle is related to Annie at all. That one chapter 'Divine' has those bone-things sticking out of Annie's inner fire elemental, approximately in the area where a heart would be. Any other ideas? I know Zimmy's powers have been speculated to death, but I think there might be enough clues to put it together. Maybe. Hi, abbomeister, that's a really thoughtful and astute reading. I have some ideas about Gamma that have been percolating for a while and dovetail with some of the things you've been saying here. Both Gamma and Annie are brave, kind, insightful, independent, and mature (Gamma preternaturally so). Zimmy occasionally shows each of those things as well, but her ability to show them is usually obscured by her... I can only call it "Etheric illness"... and the severe damage done to her psyche by extreme loneliness, deprivation, and guilt. I notice that Gamma exhibits further qualities that directly address Zimmy's conscious and unconscious emotional needs - to be loved and protected, to be mothered (this explains a lot about Gamma's close, exclusive, unconditional devotion), to have a safe object for her own urge to love and protect, to be understood and forgiven. It is tempting, because we know Zimmy can create humanoid thought-forms, and because Gamma's origins are completely obscure before she was discovered by Zimmy, and because Tom devoted a side project to Zimmy's life just before the Court, to conclude that Gamma is a triumphantly successful product of Zimmy's wishful projection. Gamma is just such a person that Zimmy would have the potential to be if Zimmy were undamaged and properly nurtured. Zimmy and Gamma are startlingly comfortable with Annie's tendency to be dual. I think it's worth considering that they might also be a dual personality. However, where Annie isolated and excluded her uncomfortable feelings of rage and frustration, Zimmy seems to be pitifully afraid of the qualities that are "too expensive" when bare psychic survival is the priority. I think Zimmy may have split those qualities, together with her ability to control her Etheric attributes, off into Gamma and made a psychic shield out of her. Annie is doubly attractive to Zimmy both because Annie is like Gamma and because Annie possesses the "Etheric attractiveness" of a fire elemental. As for why Annie can keep the Etheric disorder at bay, we already knew she could do that - we observed her doing it as a young child in Good Hope for the unfortunate Martin. It only remains to be explained why Gamma is Polish. There are two possibilities that I am considering. Zimmy may have had a close and nurturing relationship with a Polish immigrant as a very young child (we don't actually know for sure that Zimmy has no familiarity with the Polish language), and that figured in the formation of the Gamma thought form. Or, more darkly, Zimmy may have (in the same way she did Jack) unconsciously "possessed" an existing Polish immigrant girl, possibly a homeless orphan like herself, who befriended her. Either case would explain why someone would say that being girlfriends would "not even begin to explain those two". If Jack recognises that Zimmy is really a damaged potential Gamma personality in desperate need of human contact and support to find healing and realise her potential, and feels a psychic bond with her from the Zimmingham experience, I could understand why he feels love for her while also realising the difficulty and absurdity of actually pursuing a relationship with her (not to mention why he doesn't appear to be bothered by the possibility Gamma might be a rival). Jack is keenly intelligent and his other romantic attractions are to comparatively calm, independent, gifted girls, so he must necessarily see the same in Zimmy, somehow, to sustain an attraction to her.
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Post by abbomeister on Feb 23, 2022 18:42:10 GMT
Zimmy and Gamma are startlingly comfortable with Annie's tendency to be dual. I think it's worth considering that they might also be a dual personality. However, where Annie isolated and excluded her uncomfortable feelings of rage and frustration, Zimmy seems to be pitifully afraid of the qualities that are "too expensive" when bare psychic survival is the priority. I think Zimmy may have split those qualities, together with her ability to control her Etheric attributes, off into Gamma and made a psychic shield out of her. Wow, that's a really good explanation for Zimmy and Gamma's relationship, and it leaves space in the future for Zimmy to take control over her life and powers again (though maybe we'll have to GOP Gamma away in the process, how sad). Thinking things through from a psychological perspective rather than an Etherical one was a great idea, too, as we the readers still don't understand how stuff like that works. I wonder, though, if there's something more to Gamma than a comforter/lover who protects Zimmy from herself. For example, why does Zimmy have the white circle and Gamma does not? I would think that they'd both have a circle, to signify through the art that they're two sides of the same coin. Perhaps it has something to do with their 'souls' (I put it in quotes because we don't know for sure what a 'soul' is in GKC)? In that chapter about the spirit totems, it's mentioned that some fairies "are born with their minds and souls already removed and waiting." On the GKC wiki, Tom said that Zimmy was born with her powers. It's a really dark interpretation compared to yours, but what if Gamma somehow ended up with Zimmy's 'soul' in addition to her own? They seem to have strands of something connecting their heads in a way that is similar to the strands connecting the Totems and Hollow Fairies. Annie has the Fire Elemental heritage that also deals with 'souls.' The Psychopomps never showed up to take Surma into the afterlife, so maybe Annie has an extra bit of 'soul' that Zimmerzims can use in place of Gamma and her own 'soul-part.' That could be why only Annie and Gamma seem to affect Zimmy. Speculating and searching through this comic is fun! I wish I had discovered this wonderful universe sooner!
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Post by warrl on Feb 23, 2022 19:17:10 GMT
Problem: if Gamma is really a figment of Zimmy's etheric disability, how is it that Gamma speaks Polish? She might speak something that sounds sorta like Polish to Zimmy, but others have actually understood what she said in that language.
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Post by speedwell on Feb 23, 2022 19:27:34 GMT
Problem: if Gamma is really a figment of Zimmy's etheric disability, how is it that Gamma speaks Polish? She might speak something that sounds sorta like Polish to Zimmy, but others have actually understood what she said in that language. I just posted two possibilities that fit what we know; you may think of other plausible explanations.
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Post by maxptc on Mar 9, 2022 23:37:52 GMT
So, Coyete can't make real life. The shadowmen of the Forrest are just extensions of Coyete, including shadow2.
The main thing the magic sword has done so far is remove shadow2 from the ground and in turn made him more involed in the Court then ever.
So my wild spec is shadow is a part of Coyetes final scheme. Can't figure out what his role is, but I no longer trust the lovable little guy.
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 10, 2022 11:37:25 GMT
So, Coyete can't make real life. The shadowmen of the Forrest are just extensions of Coyete, including shadow2. What exactly makes you think that?
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Post by maxptc on Mar 11, 2022 0:11:26 GMT
So, Coyete can't make real life. The shadowmen of the Forrest are just extensions of Coyete, including shadow2. What exactly makes you think that? Didn't he have a speech when he was taking the rabbit creatures soul out of his body about not being able to make a soul? So just like the new people, the shadow men are living, but they lack something. I dunno if that just means the shadow men also don't have etheric presence/cant be made into action figures, but unlike robots they are born of ether and that seems weird to me. So if they aren't like humans/Forest creatures but also aren't golems, and they were made by Coyete, them being extensions of Coyete just clicked to me. Just a thought of course. Edit: Oh also despite being a reclusive forrest species shadow2 just happened into the Court to stalk and befriended Annie. He also just so happens to be the reason she becomes involed with the Forrest in the first place.
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Post by blahzor on Mar 11, 2022 4:25:53 GMT
The wildist spec, the very last page of the comic is page one (not the chapter 1 cover page) but updated art style
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 11, 2022 15:33:07 GMT
What exactly makes you think that? Didn't he have a speech when he was taking the rabbit creatures soul out of his body about not being able to make a soul? So just like the new people, the shadow men are living, but they lack something. I dunno if that just means the shadow men also don't have etheric presence/cant be made into action figures, but unlike robots they are born of ether and that seems weird to me. So if they aren't like humans/Forest creatures but also aren't golems, and they were made by Coyete, them being extensions of Coyete just clicked to me. Just a thought of course. Edit: Oh also despite being a reclusive forrest species shadow2 just happened into the Court to stalk and befriended Annie. He also just so happens to be the reason she becomes involed with the Forrest in the first place. Shadow 2 was born in the Court, he was the child of some shadow refugees from the events depicted in "Ties". I assume it was Annie's "etheric attractiveness" which made him follow her of all people. Though I agree it was a convenient catalyst for the story. But it could just as well mean Coyote arranged for Shadow 2 and Annie to meet.
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Post by maxptc on Mar 11, 2022 19:24:24 GMT
Didn't he have a speech when he was taking the rabbit creatures soul out of his body about not being able to make a soul? So just like the new people, the shadow men are living, but they lack something. I dunno if that just means the shadow men also don't have etheric presence/cant be made into action figures, but unlike robots they are born of ether and that seems weird to me. So if they aren't like humans/Forest creatures but also aren't golems, and they were made by Coyete, them being extensions of Coyete just clicked to me. Just a thought of course. Edit: Oh also despite being a reclusive forrest species shadow2 just happened into the Court to stalk and befriended Annie. He also just so happens to be the reason she becomes involed with the Forrest in the first place. Shadow 2 was born in the Court, he was the child of some shadow refugees from the events depicted in "Ties". I assume it was Annie's "etheric attractiveness" which made him follow her of all people. Though I agree it was a convenient catalyst for the story. But it could just as well mean Coyote arranged for Shadow 2 and Annie to meet. Huh, I didn't catch that he was a descendent of those shadows, but that makes sense. Yeah, maybe that's why those shadows got sent in the first place, to place a future agent, but that seems like a long con even for Coyete.
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Post by pyradonis on Mar 12, 2022 19:29:31 GMT
Shadow 2 was born in the Court, he was the child of some shadow refugees from the events depicted in "Ties". I assume it was Annie's "etheric attractiveness" which made him follow her of all people. Though I agree it was a convenient catalyst for the story. But it could just as well mean Coyote arranged for Shadow 2 and Annie to meet. Huh, I didn't catch that he was a descendent of those shadows, but that makes sense. Yeah, maybe that's why those shadows got sent in the first place, to place a future agent, but that seems like a long con even for Coyete. I think Tom confirmed it only outside of the comic, either Formspring or one of the retrospective videos.
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Post by jda on Mar 15, 2022 5:37:52 GMT
not so wildspec, repeating what others have said: As a returning theme, A- the mind is a plaything of the body B- Everybody can deceive themselves if assuming a new role/shape/persona. C- Loup inadvertedly is becoming more human, more Jerrek, even unknowingly. That makes me think that GKC is strongly based on reading of Nietzsche works. Here is a essay on his works about the Mind and Body, and how the Court (society, I mean) is creating artificial senses, in search of (misguided?) " A human who no longer lets himself be carried away by sudden impressions, by intuitions", by ether.
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Post by bedinsis on Mar 24, 2022 20:09:45 GMT
It has been noticed that Shell is very thin and she looks up to Aata, who is a bodhisattva.
My speculation is that Shell's thinness is from an attempt (whether interrupted or otherwise) to walk in the footsteps of the Buddha, of trying to live an ascetic life.
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Post by pyradonis on Apr 4, 2022 23:03:42 GMT
Wildspec of the day: The Court didn't bother to search for Annie after she had fallen from the bridge. Kat had to do it herself. The reason is that Omega had predicted Annie's death [edit]or specifically said it was better not to look for her body. After all even if you believe one of your people is dead leaving their body there to rot is not exactly the proper way to behave [/edit].
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Post by jda on Apr 5, 2022 2:42:06 GMT
Wildspec of the day: The Court didn't bother to dearch for Annie after she had fallen from the bridge. Kat had to do it herself. The reason is that Omega had predicted Annie's death. Very good. I adhere to this cannon.
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Post by DonDueed on Apr 5, 2022 15:04:08 GMT
Wildspec of the day: The Court didn't bother to dearch for Annie after she had fallen from the bridge. Kat had to do it herself. The reason is that Omega had predicted Annie's death. Very good. I adhere to this cannon. You might regret that if somebody fires it.
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Post by abbomeister on Apr 6, 2022 3:33:53 GMT
Lots of rambling here, just needed to put my ideas down somewhere. Maybe someone can make sense of it and connect it to a more coherent Spec. -----
What if Jones is a part of Omega, created and sent back in time for data-gathering purposes?
After reading The Torn Sea again, I was struck by the 'No Breakdancing' sign and the apparent support by the Court of the Seraphs' reality distortion.
Why did the Court not freak out about their cruise ship distorting reality, unless they already knew about the event to begin with? This makes me think that the Court was trying to achieve a certain goal there. What that goal is, I don't know.
The most plausible idea that I can come up with at this point: The Court wanted to further Kat's development of biobot parts to eventually create the perfect being: one who remembers everything she's seen, follows the rules of logic and not of emotion, has no connection to the Ether (page 1123), and can 'live' long enough to conduct experiments lasting lifetimes.
Why the Court would create a limited being like Jones when They already have Omega, I don't know. A hole in the theory! Perhaps They needed to send an indestructible drone back in time to observe the formation of the planet and gather data about atoms?
We know in one timeline that Kat managed to break time by herself, and I don't see why the Court couldn't have seized control of the time machine to construct a more optimal second timeline. Put all the pieces in place for the alternate timeline's Court (the Court that is followed in the comic) to succeed in Knowledge Of Everything, then let the experiment run while watching through Jones' eyes.
Arghh! But how does this all work with omnipotent beings like Coyote and Loup!? Couldn't they just use their GalaxyBrains to know exactly how Omega and Jones are connected!? Unless... the GodDogs can only have information-omnipotence in their own timeline. But that doesn't fit in with Annie, who technically shouldn't be in this timeline at all!
----- Frankly, at this point, I feel like a conspiracy nut drawing lines when there are none to be seen. It's also crazy late and I should probably go to bed.
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Post by speedwell on Apr 6, 2022 7:23:21 GMT
Lots of rambling here, just needed to put my ideas down somewhere. Maybe someone can make sense of it and connect it to a more coherent Spec. ----- What if Jones is a part of Omega, created and sent back in time for data-gathering purposes? After reading The Torn Sea again, I was struck by the 'No Breakdancing' sign and the apparent support by the Court of the Seraphs' reality distortion. Why did the Court not freak out about their cruise ship distorting reality, unless they already knew about the event to begin with? This makes me think that the Court was trying to achieve a certain goal there. What that goal is, I don't know. The most plausible idea that I can come up with at this point: The Court wanted to further Kat's development of biobot parts to eventually create the perfect being: one who remembers everything she's seen, follows the rules of logic and not of emotion, has no connection to the Ether (page 1123), and can 'live' long enough to conduct experiments lasting lifetimes. Why the Court would create a limited being like Jones when They already have Omega, I don't know. A hole in the theory! Perhaps They needed to send an indestructible drone back in time to observe the formation of the planet and gather data about atoms? We know in one timeline that Kat managed to break time by herself, and I don't see why the Court couldn't have seized control of the time machine to construct a more optimal second timeline. Put all the pieces in place for the alternate timeline's Court (the Court that is followed in the comic) to succeed in Knowledge Of Everything, then let the experiment run while watching through Jones' eyes. Arghh! But how does this all work with omnipotent beings like Coyote and Loup!? Couldn't they just use their GalaxyBrains to know exactly how Omega and Jones are connected!? Unless... the GodDogs can only have information-omnipotence in their own timeline. But that doesn't fit in with Annie, who technically shouldn't be in this timeline at all! ----- Frankly, at this point, I feel like a conspiracy nut drawing lines when there are none to be seen. It's also crazy late and I should probably go to bed. The idea that all of the "gods" are created by humans and existed in all of time even if they were created late in time is, I think, firmly established in canon. If the Gunnerkrigg milieu was indeed created and we can use Omega for the creative and motive force and source, then by definition everything came from the Omega. As for the "thought experiment" of all origin stories being true, this is just because all universes are Jerrek's "dead system" of which he had a correct intuition, and any change to the entire system, no matter when it was instantiated, by definition happened to the whole of that system, time as well as space. Iteration of the code, to use an analogy that might turn out not to be an analogy but the exact truth, Coyote-style. Speaking of which, Coyote and Jones and others similarly situated can know up-to-and-including the entire state of the Gunnerkrigg cosmos at some point or other, but can't know about changes not yet implemented.
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Post by todd on Apr 6, 2022 13:33:51 GMT
After reading The Torn Sea again, I was struck by the 'No Breakdancing' sign and the apparent support by the Court of the Seraphs' reality distortion. Why did the Court not freak out about their cruise ship distorting reality, unless they already knew about the event to begin with? This makes me think that the Court was trying to achieve a certain goal there. What that goal is, I don't know. I wouldn't give too much attention to the "No Breakdancing" sign; that was most likely a side-joke. As for the Court's failure to foresee the Seraphs' take-over, and the speculation that the Court allowed it to happen as all part of its experiment, have been around ever since that chapter came out. The recent revelation about the Omega Device, though, makes me wonder whether the Device simply failed to predict the Seraphs' actions, so the Court remained ignorant of it in the "too-dependent on its predictions" mode that I've speculated about elsewhere.
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Post by drmemory on Apr 6, 2022 14:48:07 GMT
I've been reading through the archives again and when I got to 'Dobranoc, Gamma,' a question buzzed up out of the depths of my mind: what is it about Gamma and Annie that helps Zimmy focus on reality? Annie has a strong connection to the Ether, but no other powered kids help push out Zimmy's 'static' that we know of. Annie is very empathetic towards others, shown almost since the very beginning of the comic. During 'The Torn Sea,' Zimmy faced her fear of boats for Gamma so she could have a somewhat normal experience with the rest of the school kids, demonstrating empathy for someone else despite her debilitating condition. I don't know much about Gamma, except that she's got a psychic link with Zimmy, she's very shy, and speaks Polish. Maybe some of you more experienced Gunnerkriggers can tell me a bit more about our mysterious girl! There's also that strange circle over Zimmy's heart that may or may not appear on The Robot King's banners (edit: it's on page 642, not sure how to add links here). I wonder if the circle is related to Annie at all. That one chapter 'Divine' has those bone-things sticking out of Annie's inner fire elemental, approximately in the area where a heart would be. Any other ideas? I know Zimmy's powers have been speculated to death, but I think there might be enough clues to put it together. Maybe. Hi, abbomeister, that's a really thoughtful and astute reading. I have some ideas about Gamma that have been percolating for a while and dovetail with some of the things you've been saying here. Both Gamma and Annie are brave, kind, insightful, independent, and mature (Gamma preternaturally so). Zimmy occasionally shows each of those things as well, but her ability to show them is usually obscured by her... I can only call it "Etheric illness"... and the severe damage done to her psyche by extreme loneliness, deprivation, and guilt. I notice that Gamma exhibits further qualities that directly address Zimmy's conscious and unconscious emotional needs - to be loved and protected, to be mothered (this explains a lot about Gamma's close, exclusive, unconditional devotion), to have a safe object for her own urge to love and protect, to be understood and forgiven. It is tempting, because we know Zimmy can create humanoid thought-forms, and because Gamma's origins are completely obscure before she was discovered by Zimmy, and because Tom devoted a side project to Zimmy's life just before the Court, to conclude that Gamma is a triumphantly successful product of Zimmy's wishful projection. Gamma is just such a person that Zimmy would have the potential to be if Zimmy were undamaged and properly nurtured. Zimmy and Gamma are startlingly comfortable with Annie's tendency to be dual. I think it's worth considering that they might also be a dual personality. However, where Annie isolated and excluded her uncomfortable feelings of rage and frustration, Zimmy seems to be pitifully afraid of the qualities that are "too expensive" when bare psychic survival is the priority. I think Zimmy may have split those qualities, together with her ability to control her Etheric attributes, off into Gamma and made a psychic shield out of her. Annie is doubly attractive to Zimmy both because Annie is like Gamma and because Annie possesses the "Etheric attractiveness" of a fire elemental. As for why Annie can keep the Etheric disorder at bay, we already knew she could do that - we observed her doing it as a young child in Good Hope for the unfortunate Martin. It only remains to be explained why Gamma is Polish. There are two possibilities that I am considering. Zimmy may have had a close and nurturing relationship with a Polish immigrant as a very young child (we don't actually know for sure that Zimmy has no familiarity with the Polish language), and that figured in the formation of the Gamma thought form. Or, more darkly, Zimmy may have (in the same way she did Jack) unconsciously "possessed" an existing Polish immigrant girl, possibly a homeless orphan like herself, who befriended her. Either case would explain why someone would say that being girlfriends would "not even begin to explain those two". If Jack recognises that Zimmy is really a damaged potential Gamma personality in desperate need of human contact and support to find healing and realise her potential, and feels a psychic bond with her from the Zimmingham experience, I could understand why he feels love for her while also realising the difficulty and absurdity of actually pursuing a relationship with her (not to mention why he doesn't appear to be bothered by the possibility Gamma might be a rival). Jack is keenly intelligent and his other romantic attractions are to comparatively calm, independent, gifted girls, so he must necessarily see the same in Zimmy, somehow, to sustain an attraction to her. Another possibility - something about Annie's fire elemental nature calms Zimmy, and Gamma has a similar dual nature. Maybe part-some other kind of elemental? I don't think we've seen her manifest anything like that, but it's not like we follow her around, and she must be in Chester for SOME reason.
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Post by pyradonis on Apr 6, 2022 15:29:27 GMT
Lots of rambling here, just needed to put my ideas down somewhere. Maybe someone can make sense of it and connect it to a more coherent Spec. ----- What if Jones is a part of Omega, created and sent back in time for data-gathering purposes? After reading The Torn Sea again, I was struck by the 'No Breakdancing' sign and the apparent support by the Court of the Seraphs' reality distortion. Why did the Court not freak out about their cruise ship distorting reality, unless they already knew about the event to begin with? This makes me think that the Court was trying to achieve a certain goal there. What that goal is, I don't know. The most plausible idea that I can come up with at this point: The Court wanted to further Kat's development of biobot parts to eventually create the perfect being: one who remembers everything she's seen, follows the rules of logic and not of emotion, has no connection to the Ether (page 1123), and can 'live' long enough to conduct experiments lasting lifetimes. Why the Court would create a limited being like Jones when They already have Omega, I don't know. A hole in the theory! Perhaps They needed to send an indestructible drone back in time to observe the formation of the planet and gather data about atoms? We know in one timeline that Kat managed to break time by herself, and I don't see why the Court couldn't have seized control of the time machine to construct a more optimal second timeline. Put all the pieces in place for the alternate timeline's Court (the Court that is followed in the comic) to succeed in Knowledge Of Everything, then let the experiment run while watching through Jones' eyes. Arghh! But how does this all work with omnipotent beings like Coyote and Loup!? Couldn't they just use their GalaxyBrains to know exactly how Omega and Jones are connected!? Unless... the GodDogs can only have information-omnipotence in their own timeline. But that doesn't fit in with Annie, who technically shouldn't be in this timeline at all! ----- Frankly, at this point, I feel like a conspiracy nut drawing lines when there are none to be seen. It's also crazy late and I should probably go to bed. I really like the idea that Jones was sent back in time to gather data. However there's one problem with this theory: Jones doesn't share any of her knowledge unless it is something already known to contemporary science. So if someone created her for this purpose, that someone would have to have built in some kind of backdoor into her to get the collected information.
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Post by warrl on Apr 6, 2022 21:22:54 GMT
The idea that all of the "gods" are created by humans and existed in all of time even if they were created late in time is, I think, firmly established in canon. I think saying it's firmly established is going a bit far. But we definitely know that Coyote believes it. And it definitely could be true - all the necessary pieces are in place.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 6, 2022 21:41:25 GMT
In a universe with retroactive causality and time travel imho the only thing that's been firmly established is that the ether exists.
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Post by pyradonis on Apr 7, 2022 10:07:39 GMT
The idea that all of the "gods" are created by humans and existed in all of time even if they were created late in time is, I think, firmly established in canon. I think saying it's firmly established is going a bit far. But we definitely know that Coyote believes it. And it definitely could be true - all the necessary pieces are in place. Agree. It is an in-universe theory that hasn't been contradicted so far, and we feel as if it had been firmly established because we base our theories on this one being true. But as the question of why there were two Annies showed us, assumptions of characters in the story are not necessarily correct, even if the other characters believe so as well. We all thought it was established that Loup had created a second timeline and pulled an Annie from there, but it turned out to be one giant red herring... which was sadly not addressed in the comic at all. At least Annie... understands.
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Post by birdwhisperer on Apr 10, 2022 0:30:23 GMT
"You could only be an observer, even if you actively took part in that system. [...] There would be no free will, no spontaneity or agency."
Think perfectly describes Jones, Jones is the omega device that Kat sent back in time to the dawn of the world.
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Post by saardvark on Apr 10, 2022 2:03:36 GMT
"You could only be an observer, even if you actively took part in that system. [...] There would be no free will, no spontaneity or agency." Think perfectly describes Jones, Jones is the omega device that Kat sent back in time to the dawn of the world. or Jones is Omega uploaded into an indestructible NP.....
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Post by abbomeister on Apr 25, 2022 0:32:04 GMT
So we all know that Kat is called the 'Angel' by the robot cult. But angels (at least in typical Judaeo-Christian belief) are lesser beings than the supreme God of the universe. I'm somewhat worried that as things ramp up into the endgame, a higher power is going to be introduced to the comic. Something that even our brilliant girl Kat can't handle.
Is it Robot, who's been setting up something for a while now (and has a winged avatar shown at the end of She Gave Us an Ocean)? Is it Omega, the all-knowing computer? Is it Jones, ever-mysterious indestructible woman? Is it the Seed Bismuth (did we ever find out what that was?)?
Something fishy is going on with that naming convention, but I don't have anyone to firmly pin my suspicions on...
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