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Post by todd on Jun 11, 2021 23:52:19 GMT
Wild speculation of the day: Coyote is alive and well and living in Arizona. Which might be mildly disturbing news for those of us (such as this poster) who live in Arizona and suddenly realize we might have him for a neighbor. Wild speculation of my own about Coyote: Part of his motive for meddling in events at the Court is that he's gotten wind of the convention (almost cliche) of the villain in so many American movies and television series being British (or at least, played by a British actor), and decides that it'll be fair play for the person troubling the British Court being an American.
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Post by pyradonis on Jun 16, 2021 13:22:42 GMT
Adding to this... Aata retains his usual aplomb, while Shell appears to be pointing to something off panel. Another of the Shadow Men appears to be looking in the same direction. Perhaps they're just making mental note of the strange sights. I just thought about how in "Spring Heeled", Shell would dismiss the idea that Jack could fly as "crazy". Two (or three? help?) years later and floating rocks and trees don't seem to elicit more than a general "Hey, look at that." kind of pointing while passing them. Shows how one gets used to crazy things at GKC. It also reminds me of how Kat is always learning impossible things are very much possible. And now I am asking myself if Shell was only recruited by the Court as an adult. Seeing how each Court student, not only Annie, regularly runs into supernatural phenomena like Moon Goddesses searching for rabbits or ghosts springing out of musical instruments, I can't imagine someone who went to school there would not believe someone else would have found a way to fly without visible technical help. ... my little wildspec of the day is that Shell did not go to school in GKC, but one or both of her parents called in a favor with someone from the Court to get her the job with the Shadow Men. And because that's not enough, let's add that said parent works for the British secret service and Shell wanted to work there too, but didn't pass the entrance exam for some reason.
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Post by todd on Jun 17, 2021 12:53:09 GMT
The Court bringing in adults from outside for positions like Shell's evokes some colorful images; just imagine the briefing they'd be giving to those newcomers about all the bizarre things going on within the Court's walls (and even outside it, across the river, whenever they become relevant - which is certainly the case now). All while presumably making them sign the Court's version of the Official Secrets Act, to ensure they don't spread the news to the outside world.
(I doubt that the Court has to worry about school inspectors - it seems to have become its own sovereign entity - but just imagine all the desperate cover-ups it would have to make during such an inspection - including keeping all those normally underfoot robots out of sight. The robots would probably show up in the middle of the inspection tour to reassure the Court officials showing the inspector around that they'll be keeping out of sight, that the inspector won't even know they're there, and then cheerfully greet the inspector. Worse yet, the school inspector encounters Boxbot, takes one look at him, and immediately orders the school closed down.)
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Post by jda on Jun 22, 2021 14:47:00 GMT
My speculation: the CoyoteTooth is itself another memory, to be regained by Coyote/Loup on the act of being stabbed by it.
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 2, 2021 19:50:43 GMT
Wildspec for the weekend:
The Court leadership expected or even wanted someone to get hurt or killed when they ordered Surma to seduce Renard.
Think about it: Their goal was to capture him. But surely they did not expect Renard's pack members, the mighty Coyote and the fiery-tempered Ysengrin, to just accept this. But if Renard committed a serious crime, then the Court could justify holding him indefinitely. Coyote seems to be of the same opinion ( Annie's first visit in the Forest: "But why is Reynardine being held at the Court?" "Why, he killed that young man, of course!").
Of course, like it is always with Coyote, that is not simply it. Coyote also says Renard was tricked. And being who he is, he appreciates a good trick. On the other hand, we have seen that he talked Renard into trying out the possession power on Daniel and risk the latter's death. So, in conclusion, basically everyone involved tricked Renard, but Coyote himself likely saw through every deception and played his own game.
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Post by Druplesnubb on Jul 4, 2021 8:05:51 GMT
I think the Court maybe hoped Coyote and Ysengrin would simply think that Renard had abandoned them to live with Surma.
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Post by madjack on Jul 12, 2021 15:36:36 GMT
Random thought: Maybe Coyote hasn't yet realised he's still attached to the machine outside the Forest and will unfreeze time then get whipped back into it like a bungee cord, looney tunes style.
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 13, 2021 0:07:34 GMT
Random thought: Maybe Coyote hasn't yet realised he's still attached to the machine outside the Forest and will unfreeze time then get whipped back into it like a bungee cord, looney tunes style. He'd probably think it's hilarious.
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 14, 2021 8:53:00 GMT
Wildspec for the day: We get a flashback to the time when the Court planned to trap Renard, and Aata will look exactly the same as he does now. Now I don't think this will happen, or that it would have to mean anything if it happened (how long has it even been? 20 years at best, I guess.), but it would be fun watching the discussion thread explode.
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Post by speedwell on Jul 14, 2021 12:22:16 GMT
Wildspec for the day: We get a flashback to the time when the Court planned to trap Renard, and Aata will look exactly the same as he does now. Now I don't think this will happen, or that it would have to mean anything if it happened (how long has it even been? 20 years at best, I guess.), but it would be fun watching the discussion thread explode. I was under the impression I had mentioned this, but it doesn't make you less right. I've been thinking all along that Aata may "not be exactly human". And it would not be shocking; we have Jones, Kat, Red and Blue and the rest of the fairies and former fairies, Our Friend From Cardiff, and Annie herself to start with. (I count the green elf clans as human; why not.)
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Post by Gemminie on Jul 14, 2021 15:17:31 GMT
Wildspec for the weekend:
The Court leadership expected or even wanted someone to get hurt or killed when they ordered Surma to seduce Renard.
Think about it: Their goal was to capture him. But surely they did not expect Renard's pack members, the mighty Coyote and the fiery-tempered Ysengrin, to just accept this. But if Renard committed a serious crime, then the Court could justify holding him indefinitely. Coyote seems to be of the same opinion ( Annie's first visit in the Forest: "But why is Reynardine being held at the Court?" "Why, he killed that young man, of course!").
Of course, like it is always with Coyote, that is not simply it. Coyote also says Renard was tricked. And being who he is, he appreciates a good trick. On the other hand, we have seen that he talked Renard into trying out the possession power on Daniel and risk the latter's death. So, in conclusion, basically everyone involved tricked Renard, but Coyote himself likely saw through every deception and played his own game. Random thought: Maybe Coyote hasn't yet realised he's still attached to the machine outside the Forest and will unfreeze time then get whipped back into it like a bungee cord, looney tunes style. I'm going to put these together. Maybe Coyote knows very well that he's still attached to the machine outside the Forest. When time unfreezes, he'll bounce right on back into the beam and get zapped to wherever the Court intended for him to be. And that's exactly his plan. Back when the Court captured Renard, he knew that was their plan and worked with it. He knows what their plan is now. Suppose he's working with it? Maybe the Court finally has enough power for the Omega Device. And then they power it up ... and it's got Coyote's personality. They can now do godlike things ... but Coyote interprets what they want.
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Post by CoyoteReborn on Jul 15, 2021 16:37:16 GMT
Wild speculation of the day: Coyote is alive and well and living in Arizona. Can confirm. Check out my IP address!
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Post by speedwell on Jul 16, 2021 9:05:12 GMT
Wild speculation of the day: Coyote is alive and well and living in Arizona. Can confirm. Check out my IP address! This would, um, explain a few things about Arizona, haha.
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 19, 2021 16:50:13 GMT
Could the plan to steal Coyote's powers we just learned of be the thing about the Court that is far worse than Ysengrin imagined? Stealing the power of his beloved master who should be revered and feared by all humankind must seem like the greatest sacrilege of all to him.
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Post by Druplesnubb on Jul 19, 2021 22:58:59 GMT
But how does that realte to taking Annie away?
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 20, 2021 8:50:31 GMT
But how does that realte to taking Annie away? That would be just one more awful thing he learned.
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Post by speedwell on Jul 20, 2021 10:56:02 GMT
The symbol on Aata's head in the Ether looks like a sticker, applied artificially. My first thought was that it was a light bulb, indicating an intellectual/artifactual/indirect rather than mystical/spiritual/direct access to the Ether. My second was that it resembled the insect babies scattering out from the mother that Surma noticed on her notebook while out on the research mission with Anthony. Haven't time to scour the archives for the link as I am stealing five minutes of sanity time from work busy-ness.
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Post by TBeholder on Jul 21, 2021 2:22:27 GMT
Probably. Stealing the power of his beloved master who should be revered and feared by all humankind must seem like the greatest sacrilege of all to him. Uh, that was after he devoured "his beloved master".
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 21, 2021 10:21:17 GMT
Probably. Stealing the power of his beloved master who should be revered and feared by all humankind must seem like the greatest sacrilege of all to him. Uh, that was after he devoured "his beloved master". Loup explained why Ysengrin did this.
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 21, 2021 16:55:24 GMT
Leaving this here just in case:
After Loup learns about Coyote's plan, he will ponder it and finally decide that his desire to survive is greater than his creepy "love" for Annie. He will attack, possibly try to kill her, thinking that the plan will be foiled this way. But Annie has the tooth with her (or gets it from Renard), and is forced to use it to kill Loup to save her own life. Thus is created a self-fulfilling prophecy befitting a Greek tragedy.
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Post by Gemminie on Jul 22, 2021 17:11:09 GMT
In the commentary to chapter 14, Tom says that Coyote calls Renard "Cousin" because they're two mythological trickster figures created on totally separate continents. Coyote has recently called Aata both "Failed Cousin" and "a beautiful failure." Could this mean that Aata is some sort of mythical/legendary figure, from neither North America nor Europe, who aspired to be a trickster but failed in some way? Or perhaps a figure whose earlier myths have him behaving very like a trickster, while in later myths he is not a trickster at all? I think Coyote would see that as a failure.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 22, 2021 18:52:14 GMT
My best guess is that Aata's origin story is that of a human who nearly became a mythic being but either fell short or rejected that path. If this current Aata is human or not is questionable; he may be an etheric being that arose from that human's story or he may be a human partly transfigured or otherwise altered. He's probably older than he looks.
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 22, 2021 20:42:39 GMT
In the commentary to chapter 14, Tom says that Coyote calls Renard "Cousin" because they're two mythological trickster figures created on totally separate continents. Coyote has recently called Aata both "Failed Cousin" and "a beautiful failure." Could this mean that Aata is some sort of mythical/legendary figure, from neither North America nor Europe, who aspired to be a trickster but failed in some way? Or perhaps a figure whose earlier myths have him behaving very like a trickster, while in later myths he is not a trickster at all? I think Coyote would see that as a failure. Someone like Sisyphus perhaps? He was famed as "the craftiest" of men and dared to trick even the Gods before Zeus got the last laugh when tricking the trickster by giving him an impossible task to fulfill for all eternity.
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Post by warrl on Jul 23, 2021 3:12:54 GMT
Annie: But, Coyote, I don't want to kill Loup. And even if I did agree to it, I couldn't do it now.
Coyote: Why couldn't you?
Annie: Because the Tooth is in my room.
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Post by Druplesnubb on Jul 23, 2021 8:58:11 GMT
I think it's clear that Aata has tried to become an etheric being but didn't succeed (yet).
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Post by blahzor on Jul 23, 2021 12:06:49 GMT
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Post by fia on Jul 23, 2021 13:57:36 GMT
OK, so the following just occurred to me: It's been 'specced that Annie might try to usher Loup's, Coyote's, and/or Ysengrin's spirit totems (seen here) into new human bodies after killing them with the Tooth. However, Coyote just said Annie will know what to do, but not how to do it. Presumably she will come to know she must use the Tooth to kill them without letting their life escape. Usually when she has the problem that she knows what to do but not how she asks Kat to help her or to fix it. Kat has already figured out how to transfer formerly inanimate souls into animate, sentient beings / bodies, that is, how to preserve the spark of life and transfer it rather than killing somebody (somebot). She can also enter the ether with her ether... wand... thing. However, it involved using the Arrow, and Kat signed this new contract. I don't know about you but I didn't feel like that storyline was done and dusted at the time... what if this killing-a-god-without-killing-them thing requires another use of this contract, or of the Arrow??? Do the Terms and Conditions that apply involve "you can't use this contract with gods"? Perhaps the solution to that conundrum will come with Renard's ability to swap bodies, if he never gives it back?
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Post by blahzor on Jul 23, 2021 15:02:57 GMT
ok i'm going billion OMEGA LEVEL WILD SPEC
Coyote
made himself and Y's
as totems
and gonna have Annie
sneak them into the Court
and either use the courts process or Kat's
to get human bodies
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Post by pyradonis on Jul 23, 2021 19:18:17 GMT
She's not going to know how to do it, because she's not going to know how to transport those two giant totems into the Court without anybody noticing.
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Post by blahzor on Jul 25, 2021 12:25:06 GMT
She's not going to know how to do it, because she's not going to know how to transport those two giant totems into the Court without anybody noticing. it's a even longer con! it explains why he taught her to move physical objects while in the ether many many many many moons ago
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