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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 4, 2021 9:13:34 GMT
I think Paz's ability to talk to animals is a bit similar to how alternate timelines work in the ether. Remember how the mouse she was talking to came to the sudden realization that it was a mouse? That wasn't necessary for communication, that arose from the change that was needed for the conversation to happen. Her etheric ability makes that sort of thing real, at least in a way for a while. Likewise, when another real Antimony was created (presumably from the ether since even Coyote can't create from nothing) the alternate timeline was made in the ether as a side-effect. With the right abilities or connections it was (and possibly is, depending on exactly what Zeta did and the mood of "Loup") possible to go there and interact with the real-yet-less-real people in it, and they would act and behave as if they were real, but I wildly speculate that if someone or something was brought back to the really-real reality then its existence would be contingent on the etheric power of the beings involved. Effects on actually-real visitors or other real objects, on the other hand, might be permanent. For example, if real Kat warped herself into the alternate timeline back when it was certainly Antimony-free and she met Alternate Kat and they talked shop, she would most likely retain any information or research that Alternate Kat talked to her about. Much of that would probably be a duplicate of what she already knew but some wouldn't be since the Kats' circumstances wouldn't be the same; Alternate Kat might not know about the timelines and would have probably focused on making devices to find and rescue Antimony in the Wood. She'd also retain any papercuts she might receive from examining plans. Other objects or people that she returned with would either degrade (like the Shadows when Coyote lost interest in them) or fade away completely when the need for the alternate timeline resolved, probably the latter unless something else happens to anchor them to real-reality.
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Post by pyradonis on Apr 4, 2021 10:40:33 GMT
I think Paz's ability to talk to animals is a bit similar to how alternate timelines work in the ether. Remember how the mouse she was talking to came to the sudden realization that it was a mouse? Oh. I never read it that way. I always assumed the mouse was talking to the audience and explaining it doesn't have much to say because it is just a mouse, haha.
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Post by migrantworker on Apr 4, 2021 16:44:20 GMT
So, we are having a bit of a Paz storyline just now. And that makes me think: why is Paz even at the Court? The Court invites children which are believed to be supernaturally gifted. Fine. What is Paz's gift then? Duh. She talks to animals. It is shown in the main story, and also in a side story centered about her and a dog she befriends. ============================================================================== Ah, but I think we are missing something here. I posit that Paz's gift is not about communicating with animals. No, it is about communicating. Just like Andrew achieves things through coincidences aligning in just the right way, Paz achieves things through words spoken in just the right way, to just the right people, at just the right time. She has an inner supernatural capacity to be the ultimate politician. ...but hold on, isn't the current Paz storyline about how her loose talk is catching up to her? Yes, it is. So? She does not have to use her power all the time. And we saw her using words to protect what she holds dear in such a skillful way that Annies practically defend her despite having good reason to be offended, and Kat, who as per panel 6 here is aware of Paz's scheme in its full glory, still lets her off the hook without as much as a slap on the wrist. You think she was just lucky? I think that's what skillful communication looks like: you just nudge things along, and they fall into place as if by accident in a way which would never have happened but for the nudge. And Paz is in no way an exception in still having room to grow. Annie, the main character herself, still has things to learn about the use of her supernatural power. Kat is generally believed to toy at her own peril with things which are still beyond her. And more generally, how many people reach their peak mastery of a skill at age 16? So you're speculating that her ability is not just to communicate but also to convince. Of course, it is presumably still only animals she can use it on (of course, humans are animals – but Jones isn't). This leads into another of my wildspecs, namely that Kat will find out how her dad got a blinker stone to give to her mom, and she will go to get a blinker stone for Paz, to help her sharpen her ethereal powers. I don't see Paz's communication skill, if this is the true nature of her skill, to be restricted to animals or even to living things. In principle there is no reason why it shouldn't work on anybody and anything able to communicate: animals (including humans), robots, etheric creatures, even Jones.
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Post by SilverbackRon on Apr 4, 2021 17:53:05 GMT
So you're speculating that her ability is not just to communicate but also to convince. Of course, it is presumably still only animals she can use it on (of course, humans are animals – but Jones isn't). I don't see Paz's communication skill, if this is the true nature of her skill, to be restricted to animals or even to living things. In principle there is no reason why it shouldn't work on anybody and anything able to communicate: animals (including humans), robots, etheric creatures, even Jones. It has been said more that once in the comic that Paz can "Speak with Animals" and I tend to take that literally. She shows no signs of special communication skills with humans, robots, etc. more than any other student of the court. Jones takes the time to speak to her in Spanish (page 2449) mostly for privacy I think and a way to let her open up without others overhearing. Tom makes a point of letting us know that Jones speaks it better than Paz. If Paz was a universal communicator, that statement by Tom would have been incorrect. The biggest question about the limits/meaning of Speak with Animals is: What constitutes an animal in a world like GKC? Lindsey is a fine example of this. The Torn Sea leaves us with the knowledge that it was because of Paz's ability that she was able to alert Lindsey to the problem and get help. No other student could have done what she did. "Que no soy una amenaza?" But is Lindsey really an "animal" in the way we think about that word? Not really, but then again, there are many non-human creatures in her world.
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Post by warrl on Apr 4, 2021 20:02:35 GMT
Paz's native language is Galician, not Spanish. She almost certainly would have studied Castilian, which is the language most non-Spanish Europeans would think of as "Spanish", in school in Spain - for however long she attended school there before coming to the Court. How much or even whether she's studied it since then, is unknown.
As for her communication ability, it's kind of implied that she can carry on conversations with creatures that don't have sufficient brain capacity to carry on a conversation. In other words, she is not just talking to them, she is enabling them to speak to her - and to think. I don't recall if it was Tom's notes, or forum speculation, but it was suggested somewhere that she's somehow lending them some of her own brain capacity.
This doesn't sound to me like something that would carry over usefully to sapient beings, or to non-biological beings. (Perhaps with politicians...)
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 4, 2021 21:50:31 GMT
it's kind of implied that she can carry on conversations with creatures that don't have sufficient brain capacity to carry on a conversation. In other words, she is not just talking to them, she is enabling them to speak to her - and to think. I don't recall if it was Tom's notes, or forum speculation, but it was suggested somewhere that she's somehow lending them some of her own brain capacity. This doesn't sound to me like something that would carry over usefully to sapient beings, or to non-biological beings. (Perhaps with politicians...) It's been formsprung that she can talk to all animals, even babies, but not ants nor spiders (presumably extending to all insects and arachnids) and it's like a combination of spoken human language, animal noises, and telepathy. You can say that she lends brain capacity and I wouldn't say that's wrong but the point is that her etheric powers (with her mind and desire to do so) make all this possible. The mouse may have realized that it was a mouse but once the mojo wears off it will no longer understand what that means. On its own it's just a mouse. Anything it learns, any experiences it has, all goes down the drain unless the ether is applied in the same way again before its life ends. Sucks to be a mouse, just like it sucks to be alternate timeline people.
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Post by Per on Apr 4, 2021 22:42:40 GMT
In other words, she is not just talking to them, she is enabling them to speak to her - and to think. I don't recall if it was Tom's notes, or forum speculation, but it was suggested somewhere that she's somehow lending them some of her own brain capacity. I also recall that, so if it's not in Formspring, it should be in the retrospectives.
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Post by blahzor on Apr 5, 2021 10:22:43 GMT
go a step further is all those old OG bots are partially successful but failed transfers of the minds of the arrow creation group. As one of the last things tried by them and parts of the tech now used with Coyote's help to make the forest kids transfer. The reason the court doesn't care for transfers research by Juliette and Arthur as they tried it in the past and it deem a failure since it only sorta work but only when Diego was alive and no one has come close sense Arrow creation group? As far as I know only Diego was involved in the creation of the arrow. Or do you mean the group of Court founders (Sir Young, Steadman, Diego, and some other unnamed ones) who were involved in the arrow plan (the Artilleryman counted himself out of that plan)? Considering Diego hated Sir Young, though, he definitely wouldn't have allowed Young to perpetuate his personality in his golem creations. He went so far as to make sure that his golems and their descendants wouldn't tend Sir Young's grave. yeah b/c Diego is too much of a coward to come up with the idea of the arrow plan himself, he's just the one needed to make it
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Post by blahzor on Apr 5, 2021 10:31:23 GMT
also yes Paz will probably get some power upgrade like Smitty use to just subconsciously effect things and now he has some influence on it like keeping George safe during the fight he got stabbed
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Post by pyradonis on Apr 5, 2021 11:35:08 GMT
I don't see Paz's communication skill, if this is the true nature of her skill, to be restricted to animals or even to living things. In principle there is no reason why it shouldn't work on anybody and anything able to communicate: animals (including humans), robots, etheric creatures, even Jones. It has been said more that once in the comic that Paz can "Speak with Animals" and I tend to take that literally. She shows no signs of special communication skills with humans, robots, etc. more than any other student of the court. Jones takes the time to speak to her in Spanish (page 2449) mostly for privacy I think and a way to let her open up without others overhearing. Tom makes a point of letting us know that Jones speaks it better than Paz. If Paz was a universal communicator, that statement by Tom would have been incorrect. The biggest question about the limits/meaning of Speak with Animals is: What constitutes an animal in a world like GKC? Lindsey is a fine example of this. The Torn Sea leaves us with the knowledge that it was because of Paz's ability that she was able to alert Lindsey to the problem and get help. No other student could have done what she did. "Que no soy una amenaza?" But is Lindsey really an "animal" in the way we think about that word? Not really, but then again, there are many non-human creatures in her world. Don't really see why Lindsey should not be considered an animal. IMHO she is an animal just like humans are animals.
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Post by Druplesnubb on Apr 5, 2021 11:35:25 GMT
It strikes me that paz would probably have been trained as a potential medium if she had been a year or so older.
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Post by madjack on Apr 5, 2021 11:47:03 GMT
It strikes me that paz would probably have been trained as a potential medium if she had been a year or so older. Nah, because one of the languages you need to speak in the forest is violence. Annie can walk the walk. Paz would get squashed like a bug. Andrew's luck works in his favour. Paz can talk to anyone she wants, but that's no guarantee they will want to be your friend. Edit: Thinking about it some more, her personality really isn't suited to it either. Jones states here that people chosen as (Court) mediums are typically those who can remain objective and unbiased, which doesn't strike me as something Paz is all that good at. We've seen recently her disregard for empathising with someone she sees as an antagonist when she gets worked up, without stopping to consider that the whole duplicate Annie situation wasn't Annie's fault at all.
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Post by Gemminie on Apr 5, 2021 12:35:40 GMT
It has been said more that once in the comic that Paz can "Speak with Animals" and I tend to take that literally. She shows no signs of special communication skills with humans, robots, etc. more than any other student of the court. Jones takes the time to speak to her in Spanish (page 2449) mostly for privacy I think and a way to let her open up without others overhearing. Tom makes a point of letting us know that Jones speaks it better than Paz. If Paz was a universal communicator, that statement by Tom would have been incorrect. The biggest question about the limits/meaning of Speak with Animals is: What constitutes an animal in a world like GKC? Lindsey is a fine example of this. The Torn Sea leaves us with the knowledge that it was because of Paz's ability that she was able to alert Lindsey to the problem and get help. No other student could have done what she did. "Que no soy una amenaza?" But is Lindsey really an "animal" in the way we think about that word? Not really, but then again, there are many non-human creatures in her world. Don't really see why Lindsey should not be considered an animal. IMHO she is an animal just like humans are animals. There's an unanswered question here – if Paz talked to another human who didn't speak any languages in common with her, would her talent kick in to allow them to communicate? We've never seen that happen, so we don't know.
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Post by saardvark on Apr 5, 2021 15:40:42 GMT
Don't really see why Lindsey should not be considered an animal. IMHO she is an animal just like humans are animals. There's an unanswered question here – if Paz talked to another human who didn't speak any languages in common with her, would her talent kick in to allow them to communicate? We've never seen that happen, so we don't know. yeah, we need Paz to meet and talk with Gamma.....
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Post by saardvark on Apr 6, 2021 0:24:06 GMT
Concerning the current "reunion" of the Annies... What if the Zimmster took Annie up on her long ago suggestion of learning some control over her "gift"? www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=461Perhaps the Annies have been remerged due to some learned reality control by Zimms? So that she can now to some extent target her reality altering? It's probably not permanent, as Zimmy would probably have to work at it to maintain the altered, reunited state... but it would be Zimms effort to help the Annies better understand and come to terms with the other side of themselves. Having learned some control might also explain why we see Zimmy in such a relatively good mood after "the Paz confrontation" www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2255
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Post by pyradonis on Apr 11, 2021 23:48:16 GMT
- Jones is asking about Annie's mental state, because she's seen people lose their minds after splitting apart and fusing back together.
- Annie is fine because she normally has two "halves" anyway (her human half and fire elemental half), so she doesn't have as much trouble adjusting to "fusing".
- Gunnerkrigg Court is set in a world on the brink of collapse, the Court is one of the only stable regions in the world, which is why Tony was so distraught after the Court threatened to force Annie out of the "program" if he didn't return.
- Gunnerkrigg Court is "Humanity's endeavor to become God" because they want to drain the ether from the Earth and take control of the world's magic and remake the world, or create a world without magic.
- The Court is planning to send all of the students to space because Earth is beyond saving or to escape the world's ether if the "take control of the planet's magic" plan doesn't work.
- Jones was not made on Earth.
Are these six separate wildspecs, or one big one?
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Post by silicondream on Apr 12, 2021 11:57:07 GMT
No claims to originality here, but: Zimmy didn't fuse the Annies in the last chapter, she just unscrambled them.
Surma's fractured psyche has been stored in Annie's head ever since her death, causing most of her psychological issues as a teenager. Splitting into Court and Forest Annie allowed all the pieces of both personas to emerge, but still a bit mixed up. Forest Annie is mostly Surma, but with the true Annie's aloofness; Court Annie is mostly the real thing, but with Surma's emotional attachments.
Now that they've been separated properly, we're seeing the true Annie for the first time since she was a kid (if ever). Surma is dormant at the moment, but since the firepower has been doubled and can support two bodies, Tony can repeat his experiment and reincarnate Surma without killing Annie. Then they can live together happily as a nuclear family, just as soon as Tony figures out the least-creepy way to explain that he downloaded his dead wife's mind into a clone of her daughter.
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Bonus ending for Tony-haters:
The "true" Annie is herself a replica of Tony's personality; each generation of Surma's lineage copies their lover's psyche onto the flame in order to produce a daughter-self. After resurrecting Surma, Tony will reverse this process and absorb Annie into himself, thereby healing his body and sharing Surma's firepower. Crazed by grief, Kat will embrace techno-godhood and initiate Machine War One in revenge, ending when Tony and Surma complete the Omega Device and glass the Court. Then the happy couple will share a fiery mid-air embrace over the smoking ruins, and Tony will whisper, "You were right, my love. We did find a way to be alone...together."
Oh, and before Kat gets nuked she'll recreate Annie in a cyborg infant body and fire her backwards through time to the founding of the Court, with a note on her baby blanket saying "HER NAME IS BISMUTH." But that part is probably obvious.
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Post by silicondream on Apr 12, 2021 12:35:09 GMT
And while I'm drawing unjustified connections to other franchises:
Tony-->Scott Summers Surma-->GUESS Annie-->Every Grey-Summers child, from every alternate universe, at the same time Reynardine-->Xi'an Coy Manh (possessing Rahne Sinclair) Kat-->Kitty Pryde (plus Warlock) Paz-->Doug Ramsey (minus Warlock, so she feels even more inadequate) Smitty-->Longshot (in powers and sex appeal) Parley-->Kurt Wagner Janet & William-->Remy LeBeau & Anna Marie (you decide which is which) Ysengrin-->Erik Lensherr (with a dash of Tom Cassidy) Jones-->Cain Marko Coyote-->Chris Claremont Coyote's communication skills-->Grant Morrison Coyote, re:eyes-->Rob Liefeld, re:feet
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Post by Per on Apr 12, 2021 13:13:02 GMT
Coyote, re:eyes-->Rob Liefeld, re:feet YOU TAKE THAT BACK (I sniggered at the Reynardine line, though.)
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Post by mturtle7 on Apr 12, 2021 20:17:11 GMT
- The Court is planning to send all of the students to space because Earth is beyond saving or to escape the world's ether if the "take control of the planet's magic" plan doesn't work.
Ah, so THAT'S what Dr. Disaster's simulations were REALLY for! " Just a drama lesson", huh...A LIKELY STORY.
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Post by lurkerbot on Apr 12, 2021 22:49:05 GMT
Tea's face mask now seems eerily prophetic...
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Post by blahzor on Apr 15, 2021 15:26:27 GMT
just thinking in the ROTD chapter did the guy have a choice to not leave the room after Kat told him to leave? or did he just have to b/c she said it and is soon to be a god (soon in Jones timeframe soon)
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Post by Gemminie on Apr 15, 2021 16:25:05 GMT
Wild spec of the day: Idra is Coyote, or a fragment of Coyote, or at the very least has a fragment of Coyote inside her. I'm not sure I really believe this, but it's interesting to think about. First of all, introducing a new non-background character in chapter 72 of a story (granted, we don't know how many chapters the story will have in the end) isn't common. There were other tree elves Tom could have chosen to have escaped from the freezing of the Forest – Sareed, Kamlen, Irial, any of the others we saw in "Annie in the Forest" – but instead she's a new one. She says she saw Annie when she was staying with the Anwyns, but we didn't see her. And her story about how she avoided being frozen in time by being in the "deep forest" seems fishy ... Loup's control over his time freeze isn't that great; he talked to Annie in the fringes of the forest and a conversation lasting a few minutes turned into six months in the outside world. Idra eats wisps raw. So does Coyote. Now, Khepi recognizes Idra, but we know Coyote can manipulate memories. Or perhaps Idra exists, but this isn't her, or perhaps this is the real Idra but there's a fragment of Coyote within her. On the same page, Khepi raises the question of why Idra was left untouched, on a panel in which we zoom in very close on Khepi's face, usually indicating that something very important is being said. The next time we see Idra, she's obviously been sleeping with James. James finding out he's actually been sleeping with Coyote would be extremely hilarious – just the sort of thing Coyote would love. But her behavior in this incident is extremely trickstery. She's just seeing how much she can embarrass both James and the Annies. It's almost as if she already knows the complex emotional history that exists between them. And then there's chapter 80. When we first see Idra, the first thing she says might lead us to believe that she's not even sure who Annie is, except that she goes right on to try to exploit James' complicated emotions about Annie to embarrass him some more. But she moves pretty quickly to being judgmental about a situation that she supposedly knows nothing about, then starts needling the Court people about how they raise their children (and look at her face in that last frame, and compare it to this guy), and then she makes this judgement, sounding as if she's got a lot more information that she's been told about this Annie person whose name she supposedly couldn't remember when the conversation began. Something is hinky about Idra. She isn't what she appears to be.
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Post by todd on Apr 16, 2021 1:52:01 GMT
Kat's "steering the Court in a better direction" will involve a second time travel enterprise, this time redirecting the Court in the time of Sir Young and Diego away from investigating the Ether and towards other pursuits that wouldn't threaten the Forest and antagonize its inhabitants, thus changing things so that Jeanne and her lover never get murdered, Loup never attacks the Court, etc. (The drawback of this speculation is that it doesn't follow the same rules as Kat's time travel enterprise with the TicTocs; there, she was confirming past events like the TicTocs saving Annie, rather than changing them.)
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Post by speedwell on Apr 16, 2021 8:03:12 GMT
Wild spec of the day: Something is hinky about Idra. She isn't what she appears to be. That's a fact. However, I am going to be parsimonious and say it's not that she's actually Coyote per se (remember, Coyote is literally dead). Influenced by Coyote - a spy of Coyote's - even mentored by Coyote (after all, Coyote isn't Annie's private familiar), I can easily see.
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Post by Viridian on Apr 16, 2021 8:22:23 GMT
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Post by speedwell on Apr 16, 2021 8:24:30 GMT
Or, she could be a spy for or even an instance of Loup.
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Post by madjack on Apr 16, 2021 9:35:13 GMT
Wild spec of the day: Idra is Coyote, or a fragment of Coyote, or at the very least has a fragment of Coyote inside her. I can totally imagine Idra remebering she is coyote too!, potentially after they find the lake water. I think it goes further than this. I've been sitting on this for a while because I couldn't figure out how to frame it but: Coyote's master plan involves ALL the Tree Elves as an unwilling trojan horse against the Court. It revolves around a piece of information he gave Annie through the memory in the goose bone: Coyote knew Ysengrin, or now Loup, unable to fully use the gift of gardening, would similarly not be able to control the Forest, even with Coyote's strength. So, probably long before Annie enters the picture, Coyote begins devising a plan to set up a dead man's (dog's?) switch on the Forest, using the key difference between himself and Ysengrin as the trigger: While Ys is insular and prideful, nothing would give Coyote more amusement than literally setting himself aside in service of a greater trick. He gave himself to the Forest, almost completely (" Coyote's old bones"). He spells it out to Annie himself: The trees are his bones, the rocks his teeth, the grass his hair, the wind his laughter and most importantly, the water his blood. So far this would serve to get the Tree Elves fleeing the now-collapsing Forest after his death, but what about using them as a weapon? A throwaway line from Khepi hints at what might be a dual purpose to Coyote's self-dispersion: The hunting and harvest was better when he was kept happy. So my wildspec is that this is his master plan: You are what you eat. Everything and everyone in the Forest drinks Coyote's blood, gathers food from trees and bushes that are essentially parts of him, and hunts and eats other creatures who have done the same. Over time, they replace every cell in their bodies with something that has come from him. There is now a whole army inside the shield ready and waiting to remember that on a very fundamental level, they are Coyote too, with O'Kerrigan ready as the leader of the swarm. It's also interesting that if this is what his plan was, it went wrong almost immediately when Loup froze the Forest instead of letting it collapse. It was then put back on the rails when the seeds for the giant trees were stored in the same building as the memories he gave Parley and Andrew, necessitating the Tree Elf builders help to retrieve. The big sticking point in this theory is the robots. Their numbers would probably have blunted any possible attack unless the Elves had a whole heap of combat magic that we haven't seen. I feel like this plan would have been concocted with the knowledge that they would incapacitate themselves to form the shield, a thing which nobody at the Court knew about. I don't want to suggest time travel solves everything but it's also possible Coyote was informed of the outcome after it was known. Easily the part of the theory with the most holes in it. Hmm. Edit: Actually, what's even better is he could just tell them something involving the Tree Elves is his plan and cause a whole heap of mutual suspicion and distrust.
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Post by blahzor on Apr 17, 2021 12:58:23 GMT
Wild spec of the day: Idra is Coyote, or a fragment of Coyote, or at the very least has a fragment of Coyote inside her. I'm not sure I really believe this, but it's interesting to think about. First of all, introducing a new non-background character in chapter 72 of a story (granted, we don't know how many chapters the story will have in the end) isn't common. There were other tree elves Tom could have chosen to have escaped from the freezing of the Forest – Sareed, Kamlen, Irial, any of the others we saw in "Annie in the Forest" – but instead she's a new one. She says she saw Annie when she was staying with the Anwyns, but we didn't see her. And her story about how she avoided being frozen in time by being in the "deep forest" seems fishy ... Loup's control over his time freeze isn't that great; he talked to Annie in the fringes of the forest and a conversation lasting a few minutes turned into six months in the outside world. Idra eats wisps raw. So does Coyote. Now, Khepi recognizes Idra, but we know Coyote can manipulate memories. Or perhaps Idra exists, but this isn't her, or perhaps this is the real Idra but there's a fragment of Coyote within her. On the same page, Khepi raises the question of why Idra was left untouched, on a panel in which we zoom in very close on Khepi's face, usually indicating that something very important is being said. The next time we see Idra, she's obviously been sleeping with James. James finding out he's actually been sleeping with Coyote would be extremely hilarious – just the sort of thing Coyote would love. But her behavior in this incident is extremely trickstery. She's just seeing how much she can embarrass both James and the Annies. It's almost as if she already knows the complex emotional history that exists between them. And then there's chapter 80. When we first see Idra, the first thing she says might lead us to believe that she's not even sure who Annie is, except that she goes right on to try to exploit James' complicated emotions about Annie to embarrass him some more. But she moves pretty quickly to being judgmental about a situation that she supposedly knows nothing about, then starts needling the Court people about how they raise their children (and look at her face in that last frame, and compare it to this guy), and then she makes this judgement, sounding as if she's got a lot more information that she's been told about this Annie person whose name she supposedly couldn't remember when the conversation began. Something is hinky about Idra. She isn't what she appears to be. you think too small sir, madem, wonder, place or thing! Coyote is actually the court itself
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Post by basser on Apr 21, 2021 15:41:27 GMT
Reading forward from the page Tom linked just now, specifically upon reaching the "neither of you belong in this timeline" bit, I got the best/worst thought - what if Tony actually got the whole "saving Surma" thing 100% right, but it kept getting sabotaged by Robo-Time Goddess Kat who just flat refuses to accept a reality without Annie in it. I find this darkly hilarious for some reason. All these folks tryna live their lives and Kat just be like NO YOU WILL CREATE ME AN ANNIE, MAKE THAT TWO ANNIES, I WILL HAVE ALL THE ANNIES.
And then I thought well what if Jones is some kinda ultimate Kat-bot sent all the way back in time just to make extra super sure an Annie-future results and made myself laugh some more. I mean think about it, Jones and her weird thing with Eggers? Was she tryna get him off Surma so Tony would have a chance? Haha yikes.
Oh noooo and now I'm suddenly thinking well in this scenario perhaps Jones got sent ALL the way back with the job of ensuring a fire elemental gets frisky with a human to begin with? Imagine that poor dude hahah. Everything about this is terrible and I love it.
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