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Post by saardvark on Apr 13, 2018 2:05:48 GMT
The seed "Bismuth" may be the seed of an idea. With a bit of imagination and creativity, ideas take on their own life. And spread uncontrollably everywhere... how do you stop an idea? The analogy to seed Bismuth is good. And to stretch it further (to the breaking point?): Bismuth crystals have both order (made of regular cubic forms) and wild freedom/chaos (a wild rainbow iridescence); one could say ideas, too have both orderly and wild-free properties. Interestingly, Bismuth (the metal) has chemically similar properties to Antimony(!) and Arsenic (Hetty?!). Tom seems to have wrapped up lots of interesting symbolism in his choices here.... |
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Post by todd on Apr 13, 2018 12:38:19 GMT
If the Seed Bismuth was indeed spreading so wildly out of control, this would also explain why the Court's size is so out of proportion to its population, something which certainly doesn't seem practical. It's not that big because they wanted it to be; it's that big because it grew too quickly, and they couldn't shrink it down afterwards to a size that better matched the population.
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Post by todd on Apr 15, 2018 0:10:22 GMT
The Artilleryman, after walking in disgust out of the meeting where they decided to kill Jeanne and turn her into a "rage ghost", permanently moved out of the Court and (somehow) relocated to Gilltie Wood, where he took on a new body. He will (in his animal form) show up later, both to help resolve the quarrel between the Court and the Wood and to answer many of the questions about the Court.
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Post by philman on Apr 16, 2018 9:11:37 GMT
All this talk of Rey possessing Coyote/Ysengrin in order to stop the rampage and chaos. This couldn't just be an excessively long term and convoluted plan by Coyote to get Renard to voluntarily posses his body, and thus get Renard back under the Forest's control and Coyote's influence, could it?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 16, 2018 10:43:45 GMT
All this talk of Rey possessing Coyote/Ysengrin in order to stop the rampage and chaos. This couldn't just be an excessively long term and convoluted plan by Coyote to get Renard to voluntarily posses his body, and thus get Renard back under the Forest's control and Coyote's influence, could it? He probably does want Renard back under his influence in the sense that Coyote isn't being glorified much by a sedentary Renard these days. I don't think Coyote cares much about the specifics of what Ysengrin and Renard do as long as it's interesting and impresses people with how powerful and glorious Coyote is, either through his wondrous gifts or indirectly as someone who stands above these other powerful dog-creatures. Renard possessing Ys should in theory still kill him if it's even possible at all. True, Coyote probably doesn't care much about Ysengrin (except in the way I just mentioned) and if Coyote expends Ysengrin in the course of this particular scheme it would make big gains but I think he'd prefer to double-dip by having Ys make a big showy mess and still keep him around afterwards. Ys' crazy is at critical mass (and has been for a while) but Coyote has been making Antimony into a control rod. I think that impending confrontation between those two when Ys realizes that he can't keep both his friendship with Antimony and his dream of... doing whatever he's going to do to demonstrate to humanity where they really are on the food chain will be the key to how this situation wraps up. My guess is that Ysengrin will in some way rein himself in, maybe enough to stop on his own, maybe enough so that he can be stopped by Antimony or someone else. |
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Post by todd on Apr 16, 2018 14:03:01 GMT
It certainly makes Coyote's role in this conflict all the darker if his whole interest is just in getting Renard back - and is ready to turn a cold war into a hot war to accomplish that goal. All the more so since Coyote bears much of the responsibility for Renard being in the Court (his bestowing a gift of his power to possess people was crucial to that chain of events, and his desire to do so was why the Court decided to entrap Renard), and certainly did nothing at the time to hinder the event.
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Post by faiiry on Apr 16, 2018 18:25:39 GMT
I don't know if this is wild speculation (maybe there should be a mundane speculation thread?), but I feel like "the business with James" is not what we've been shown. I have a few bits of evidence for this. -The business with James seems to take place shortly before Surma got pregnant. -Surma was mid to late 30s when she passed. As Annie was 12 then, and if we define "mid-30s" as 35+, Surma was no younger than 23 when Annie was born. Formspring kind of sucks for knowing when a question was published, but if we listen to some of these answers (namely that Surma was late teens early 20s in "the latest page"), they can only be interpreted to mean a few pages - perhaps 436, during which Surma is dating Eggers, or 1013, during which she was also doing so. Where am I going with this? If Surma was in her late teens/early twenties when she started dating Anthony, and in her later twenties when she gave birth to Antimony (which is presumable, unless they got pregnant immediately after Get Lost for some reason), then there was a gap between the "business with James" that we've already seen, and the "business with James" that caused them to leave the court. With all this being said, I conclude that there were multiple "businesses with James" and we have only seen the tamest of them so far. -What is my wild theory? I think that the "business with James" involved Anthony getting Surma pregnant. The words "irresponsible," "reckless" and even "murderer" were probably thrown around like cows in a twister. Surma makes the announcement of her pregnancy to everyone, and since they all knew what would happen if she had a child, some of them probably weren't too happy about it. But when Eggman hears, he has double the reason to be pissed - not only has Anthony stole his girlfriend's heart, but also her life as well. Eggers has some choice words for the happy couple, words harsh enough - and perhaps even involving violence - that they decide to blow this popsicle stand. -Tl;dr - there were multiple businesses with James: one that occurred when Tony and Surma got together, and one that occurred when Surma got pregnant; it was the latter that caused the couple to leave GKC. I rest my case. |
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Post by madjack on Apr 17, 2018 1:09:35 GMT
I remember somewhere Tom mentioned that Annie's lineage were 'hardwired to reproduce', I think you've nailed the real reason that Surma dumped Eggers in the first place: The words "irresponsible," "reckless" and even "murderer" were probably thrown around like cows in a twister. Surma was aware at least on some level, that the man she chose to have a child with would effectively have to kill her; She wanted to have her daughter and didn't think Eglamore could go through with it, the distance stuff was just the excuse/icing. Edit: And Eggers went off at Anthony so strongly because he knew (even if he was terrified of admitting it to himself) he himself couldn't have as well??? |
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Post by pyradonis on Apr 17, 2018 10:50:30 GMT
-What is my wild theory? I think that the "business with James" involved Anthony getting Surma pregnant. The words "irresponsible," "reckless" and even "murderer" were probably thrown around like cows in a twister. Surma makes the announcement of her pregnancy to everyone, and since they all knew what would happen if she had a child, some of them probably weren't too happy about it. But when Eggman hears, he has double the reason to be pissed - not only has Anthony stole his girlfriend's heart, but also her life as well. Eggers has some choice words for the happy couple, words harsh enough - and perhaps even involving violence - that they decide to blow this popsicle stand. And now think of how it must make Eggers feel when Coyote believes Eggers has fathered Annie, and thus killed Surma. "Oh Eglamore, you HOUND!" |
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Post by faiiry on Apr 17, 2018 12:58:10 GMT
-What is my wild theory? I think that the "business with James" involved Anthony getting Surma pregnant. The words "irresponsible," "reckless" and even "murderer" were probably thrown around like cows in a twister. Surma makes the announcement of her pregnancy to everyone, and since they all knew what would happen if she had a child, some of them probably weren't too happy about it. But when Eggman hears, he has double the reason to be pissed - not only has Anthony stole his girlfriend's heart, but also her life as well. Eggers has some choice words for the happy couple, words harsh enough - and perhaps even involving violence - that they decide to blow this popsicle stand. And now think of how it must make Eggers feel when Coyote believes Eggers has fathered Annie, and thus killed Surma. "Oh Eglamore, you HOUND!"  Haha, look at Anja and Donny wince. EDIT: I guess we're not allowed to use the commonly-accepted acronym for laughter around here? Duly noted. |
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Post by faiiry on Apr 17, 2018 13:08:46 GMT
There are a lot of aspects to the Egg/Surma/Tony love triangle that I want to see explored that Get Lost doesn't show us. For example, what did the conversation between Tony and Surma look like where they talked about having a child? If the same conversation ever occurred between Eggers and Surma, how did that go? What does a Court wedding look like? Was Eggers invited to the wedding? Did he crash through the doors saying "I object" like Shrek? How serious were Surma and Eglamore as a couple? (I mean, I feel like the love was pretty one-sided, so easily did Surma dump him.) Did Surma visit the forest whilst pregnant or go on maternity leave? If she did (and it occurred before this page) then how did Renard react? Another wildspec (maybe not so wild): Tony didn't really want to have a kid, but he was so bamboozled by the experience of actually having a girlfriend that he couldn't say no to anything Surma asked for. |
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Post by saardvark on Apr 17, 2018 13:47:03 GMT
Another wildspec (maybe not so wild): Tony didn't really want to have a kid, but he was so bamboozled by the experience of actually having a girlfriend that he couldn't say no to anything Surma asked for. he clearly bamboozled himself into believing he could "fix" Surma so that she could survive having a child, thus giving himself moral "permission" to father the same... |
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Post by faiiry on Apr 17, 2018 15:51:39 GMT
Another wildspec (maybe not so wild): Tony didn't really want to have a kid, but he was so bamboozled by the experience of actually having a girlfriend that he couldn't say no to anything Surma asked for. he clearly bamboozled himself into believing he could "fix" Surma so that she could survive having a child, thus giving himself moral "permission" to father the same... Yes, Surma was killed by Tony's hubris and he knows it. We need a side comic about Tony's suckage, detailing his efforts to save Surma and his decline into madness as he realizes it can't be done. |
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Post by jda on Apr 17, 2018 17:02:51 GMT
he clearly bamboozled himself into believing he could "fix" Surma so that she could survive having a child, thus giving himself moral "permission" to father the same... Yes, Surma was killed by Tony's hubris and he knows it. We need a side comic about Tony's suckage, detailing his efforts to save Surma and his decline into madness as he realizes it can't be done. Thank you for reading this comic about the consequences of bamboozled parenthood and the lack/ineficacy of contraceptive methods. |
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Post by saardvark on Apr 17, 2018 18:54:04 GMT
Yes, Surma was killed by Tony's hubris and he knows it. We need a side comic about Tony's suckage, detailing his efforts to save Surma and his decline into madness as he realizes it can't be done. Thank you for reading this comic about the consequences of bamboozled parenthood and the lack/ineficacy of contraceptive methods. I just love the opportunity to use the word "bamboozled"! Such a weird, cool word. Bamboozled.... bamboozled! Thanks faiiry! It sounds like what you would call someone who had a bit too much to drink and ran into a bamboo plant. |
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Post by jda on Apr 18, 2018 4:47:13 GMT
Thank you for reading this comic about the consequences of bamboozled parenthood and the lack/ineficacy of contraceptive methods. I just love the opportunity to use the word "bamboozled"! Â Such a weird, cool word. Â Bamboozled.... bamboozled! Â Thanks faiiry! It sounds like what you would call someone who had a bit too much to drink and ran into a bamboo plant. Certainly, you have been bamboozled by the word itself... |
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Post by faiiry on Apr 18, 2018 6:23:28 GMT
I just love the opportunity to use the word "bamboozled"! Such a weird, cool word. Bamboozled.... bamboozled! Thanks faiiry! It sounds like what you would call someone who had a bit too much to drink and ran into a bamboo plant. I hope you're not so bamboozled by the word bamboozled that you can no longer appreciate the beauty of other words. Such an outcome would bamboozle me with sadness. |
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Post by Druplesnubb on Apr 18, 2018 14:15:32 GMT
he clearly bamboozled himself into believing he could "fix" Surma so that she could survive having a child, thus giving himself moral "permission" to father the same... Yes, Surma was killed by Tony's hubris and he knows it. We need a side comic about Tony's suckage, detailing his efforts to save Surma and his decline into madness as he realizes it can't be done. Callin it now. We're gonna get a flashback chapter about how Tony and Surma are gonna have a child, with Tony promising her that he has a way to cure her. When Annie's being delivered, it will turn out that the plan doesn't work and the only way to save Surma is to sacrifice Annie's life. Tony will be torn about what to do, possibly even wanting to save Surma over Annie, but then he will look into the eyeso feither Surma or baby Annie and save her instead. The Chapter will end with Surma assuring Tony that he did the right thing and it isn't his fault and Tony promising her that he'll do everything he can to save her life. Surma will be either completely faithful in Tony saving her, cautiously optimistic or completely resigned to her fate. |
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Post by faiiry on Apr 18, 2018 14:21:16 GMT
Yes, Surma was killed by Tony's hubris and he knows it. We need a side comic about Tony's suckage, detailing his efforts to save Surma and his decline into madness as he realizes it can't be done. Callin it now. We're gonna get a flashback chapter about how Tony and Surma are gonna have a child, with Tony promising her that he has a way to cure her. When Annie's being delivered, it will turn out that the plan doesn't work and the only way to save Surma is to sacrifice Annie's life. Tony will be torn about what to do, possibly even wanting to save Surma over Annie, but then he will look into the eyeso feither Surma or baby Annie and save her instead. The Chapter will end with Surma assuring Tony that he did the right thing and it isn't his fault and Tony promising her that he'll do everything he can to save her life. Surma will be either completely faithful in Tony saving her, cautiously optimistic or completely resigned to her fate. Yes but even if Annie died, Surma wouldn't get better. (We need an alternate timeline comic where Tony kills Annie to save his wife, only for Surma to die anyway. Or would that be too dark.) |
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Post by todd on Apr 18, 2018 23:45:16 GMT
(We need an alternate timeline comic where Tony kills Annie to save his wife, only for Surma to die anyway. Or would that be too dark.) The only consolation would be that it would be the end of a terrible cycle. Maybe Annie will find a better solution in the comic. |
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Post by faiiry on Apr 19, 2018 0:47:20 GMT
(We need an alternate timeline comic where Tony kills Annie to save his wife, only for Surma to die anyway. Or would that be too dark.) The only consolation would be that it would be the end of a terrible cycle. Maybe Annie will find a better solution in the comic. I just thought of another way to change the cycle. Tony could use his formidable science skills to go in and edit his child's genes before it was born, and make Annie into Anthony Jr. Since the line is maternal all the way up, would the birth of a boy stop the cycle of death? |
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Post by saardvark on Apr 19, 2018 1:43:18 GMT
hmm, I wonder if there is something in fire elemental's physiology, such as their egg cells rejecting Y chromosomes, to thus ensure female offspring? |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Apr 19, 2018 2:08:31 GMT
hmm, I wonder if there is something in fire elemental's physiology, such as their egg cells rejecting Y chromosomes, to thus ensure female offspring? Spontaneous pregnancy... I can throw myself out, thank you vey much. |
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Post by faiiry on Apr 19, 2018 3:43:51 GMT
hmm, I wonder if there is something in fire elemental's physiology, such as their egg cells rejecting Y chromosomes, to thus ensure female offspring? Spontaneous pregnancy... I can throw myself out, thank you vey much. I've always thought this theory was cool and wanted to put stock in it, but alas I cannot. Annie looks and acts a lot like Tony, and also Tom said she is his daughter. Although I wonder if fire elemental reproduction works in such a weird way that the children aren't actually the chosen partner's daughter, but just look like him. |
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Post by saardvark on Apr 19, 2018 10:58:56 GMT
Spontaneous pregnancy... I can throw myself out, thank you vey much. I've always thought this theory was cool and wanted to put stock in it, but alas I cannot. Annie looks and acts a lot like Tony, and also Tom said she is his daughter. Although I wonder if fire elemental reproduction works in such a weird way that the children aren't actually the chosen partner's daughter, but just look like him. Unless I am mis-remembering my biology, sex chromosomes are paired, so that Surma would carry an XX pair and Tony an XY. What I am proposing (speculation, but not too wild, methinks). is that fire-elementals have some cellular level ability to sort chromosomes, so that Surma's egg cell would always select the X from Tony's pair (making the offspring always female) rather than his Y. So Annie would still get an X from Tony and still be able to have some of his characteristics (whichever are indicated on his "X") but because she is XX, she is always female. So it is not a spontaneous pregnancy, just a "guided" one, and she is definitely still part Tony. (Tony's poor Y chromosomes all have to sit in the corner and pout though...) |
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Post by ST13R on Apr 19, 2018 11:46:56 GMT
Unless I am mis-remembering my biology, sex chromosomes are paired, so that Surma would carry an XX pair and Tony an XY. What I am proposing (speculation, but not too wild, methinks). is that fire-elementals have some cellular level ability to sort chromosomes, so that Surma's egg cell would always select the X from Tony's pair (making the offspring always female) rather than his Y. So Annie would still get an X from Tony and still be able to have some of his characteristics (whichever are indicated on his "X") but because she is XX, she is always female. So it is not a spontaneous pregnancy, just a "guided" one, and she is definitely still part Tony. (Tony's poor Y chromosomes all have to sit in the corner and pout though...) It's a little easier than that: Sperm either has an X or Y chromosome, so if the body/egg cell could somehow reject any oncoming 'Y-sperms', that'd be enough : P |
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Post by saardvark on Apr 19, 2018 12:25:20 GMT
Unless I am mis-remembering my biology, sex chromosomes are paired, so that Surma would carry an XX pair and Tony an XY. What I am proposing (speculation, but not too wild, methinks). is that fire-elementals have some cellular level ability to sort chromosomes, so that Surma's egg cell would always select the X from Tony's pair (making the offspring always female) rather than his Y. So Annie would still get an X from Tony and still be able to have some of his characteristics (whichever are indicated on his "X") but because she is XX, she is always female. So it is not a spontaneous pregnancy, just a "guided" one, and she is definitely still part Tony. (Tony's poor Y chromosomes all have to sit in the corner and pout though...) It's a little easier than that: Sperm either has an X or Y chromosome, so if the body/egg cell could somehow reject any oncoming 'Y-sperms', that'd be enough : P aah, thanks for the refresher; and yes that would make the sorting easier, especially if there was something on the surface of a sperm cell that identified if it were carrying an X or a Y chromosome. Alternately, the egg could keep accepting sperm until it found one with an X; meanwhile ejecting the Y chromosomes unused. |
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Post by Druplesnubb on Apr 20, 2018 10:12:18 GMT
Callin it now. We're gonna get a flashback chapter about how Tony and Surma are gonna have a child, with Tony promising her that he has a way to cure her. When Annie's being delivered, it will turn out that the plan doesn't work and the only way to save Surma is to sacrifice Annie's life. Tony will be torn about what to do, possibly even wanting to save Surma over Annie, but then he will look into the eyeso feither Surma or baby Annie and save her instead. The Chapter will end with Surma assuring Tony that he did the right thing and it isn't his fault and Tony promising her that he'll do everything he can to save her life. Surma will be either completely faithful in Tony saving her, cautiously optimistic or completely resigned to her fate. Yes but even if Annie died, Surma wouldn't get better. (We need an alternate timeline comic where Tony kills Annie to save his wife, only for Surma to die anyway. Or would that be too dark.) What if Annie was disposed of before being born? |
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Post by faiiry on Apr 20, 2018 15:56:32 GMT
Yes but even if Annie died, Surma wouldn't get better. (We need an alternate timeline comic where Tony kills Annie to save his wife, only for Surma to die anyway. Or would that be too dark.) What if Annie was disposed of before being born? Tom answered a few questions to this effect, but all he said was "That didn't happen" or "She wouldn't have considered it." No answer on whether it would've worked or not. I get why Tom has refrained on commenting, though. The question of whether the spirit/fire starts to transfer at birth or conception or some other point in pregnancy could lead to a huge can of worms. No need to insert that debate into GKC (interesting as it might be). |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 23, 2018 14:40:20 GMT
Mostly a mirror-post about the color of magic. Donlan etheric tech and Anja's mojo is purple. In Torn Sea the seraphs' beacons were purple and their "seals" were blue and white. The ether is white, as was Jeanne and Mort; the reader in the RotD was glowing blue-white. Brinnie's (and Egg's) teleporting is blue. And a dryad's eyes may glow greenish-white and Ysengoyote's fist has a gold and gold-with-white highlights glow but his eyes have always been green and sometimes (before he got Coyote's power, mostly) he has a greenish glow or a pale aura; in the ether he's got gold markings and green eyes. Renard's gold when out of body and his eyes in wolf form are yellow. Of course Antimony's fire is red, and Jen's mojo is red. When Kat used her abilities in tandem with the event it was red tending towards purple. Zeta's eyes are red and her powers are gray/black/dark purple and sometimes purple or white. Red, white, black, and blue are colors associated with Coyote (and in the ether he has stars too) and Coyote can have a reddish aura. So... there appears to be a pattern with "natural" magic falling in the center of the spectrum. White's pure. If I think about it a while I'll probably come up with a theory on the ones that blend from opposite ends of the spectrum or at least something that sounds smart. |
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