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Post by intotheether on Oct 16, 2015 11:52:43 GMT
"If he trully does hurt you, I will rend the flesh from his bones on your word". I can hear Ysengrin's voice in my head saying that in a low, calm voice as if he is not making a grave promise. He damn well loves her. And he is parenting. Oh boy is he! She is in safe hands. Look at him kneeling to be at her height. And standing still while her fire is burning his hand. He has seen her in her most weak as she has done with him. And they still love each other. Damn Tom right in the onion fairy's hands again. By the way. Do the job that is in front of you, is a good piece of advice. As was pointed out last thread, I was a bit unfair in my assertion that Ysengrin was one of the only ones to really come through for Annie since her father came back, because she does have a great support system of friends. But much like you, I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't a bit enamoured with the old wolf right now, despite all his prior faults. Something about his direct approach (which, as a rather blunt and literal person myself, I admittedly already enjoyed) after everyone trying to be subtle and delicate in their actions the last few chapters is just so damned refreshing. And maybe the blunt approach wasn't even the right one here. It could honestly all backfire. I don't know, only time will tell. But it's hard not to cheer Ysengrin when he is currently embodying every positive and negative thing said about Annie and Anthony by both characters and readers for months now, and doing it in such a calm, rational, and-frankly-badass way. He has, in no short order, called Annie on her bullshit about why she's really upset, forced her to confront her emotions in a genuine way (albeit admittedly in a manner that was somewhat of a violation), offered to be an outlet for her rage (the rage of a fire elemental no less), reminded her of her own strengths and accomplishments standing on her own, expressed pride in her, acknowledged her as an equal, made her recall the fact that she currently has an obligation to a friend to fulfill and personally threatened to render the flesh from Anthony's bones. After months of tension and suppression, he's come along and kicked the lid off of things, and man does it feel good from a narrative standpoint.
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Post by rinabean on Oct 16, 2015 12:04:04 GMT
I'm allergic to this cliffhanger
I was 90% okay with Annie re-integrating and burning her mean dad to death. I am 0% okay with her doing that to her real (wolf) dad
I'm not too worried about the rabbit boy. Smitty's there and he ought to be able to protect him or at least get him away. But he couldn't protect Ysengrin from Annie even if he'd let him. I am at least 35% worried though. Last time we had all this with Annie and her parents and Ysengrin she told him she'd never ever hurt the forest people. Ysengrin believed her and so did we. I hope she remembers she said that and it's still true.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Oct 16, 2015 12:31:36 GMT
I'm allergic to this cliffhanger I was 90% okay with Annie re-integrating and burning her mean dad to death. I am 0% okay with her doing that to her real (wolf) dad I'm not too worried about the rabbit boy. Smitty's there and he ought to be able to protect him or at least get him away. But he couldn't protect Ysengrin from Annie even if he'd let him. I am at least 35% worried though. Last time we had all this with Annie and her parents and Ysengrin she told him she'd never ever hurt the forest people. Ysengrin believed her and so did we. I hope she remembers she said that and it's still true. Every page is a cliffhanger! Tom certainly has a rhythm. Each page could just be two panels, the first panel finishing the thought/sentence/action introduced on the previous page and the second/last panel starting the next.
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Post by intotheether on Oct 16, 2015 13:15:26 GMT
I'm allergic to this cliffhanger I was 90% okay with Annie re-integrating and burning her mean dad to death. I am 0% okay with her doing that to her real (wolf) dad I'm not too worried about the rabbit boy. Smitty's there and he ought to be able to protect him or at least get him away. But he couldn't protect Ysengrin from Annie even if he'd let him. I am at least 35% worried though. Last time we had all this with Annie and her parents and Ysengrin she told him she'd never ever hurt the forest people. Ysengrin believed her and so did we. I hope she remembers she said that and it's still true. Every page is a cliffhanger! Tom certainly has a rhythm. Each page could just be two panels, the first panel finishing the thought/sentence/action introduced on the previous page and the second/last panel starting the next. I don't know if "cliffhanger" is the right word for every page, but most of them definitely seem to invoke a feeling of "Well then what happened??" He's definitely got a fair hand at narrative pacing.
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Post by OrzBrain on Oct 16, 2015 14:20:07 GMT
I'm allergic to this cliffhanger I was 90% okay with Annie re-integrating and burning her mean dad to death. I am 0% okay with her doing that to her real (wolf) dad . Naw. Ysengrin can essentially generate new wood from nothing at an almost exponential rate. He should be able to keep up with Annie's burn rate unless she displays significantly greater power than before. Which she might. . . And I guess his head is vulnerable. Hmm.
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Post by ctso74 on Oct 16, 2015 14:47:39 GMT
I'm hoping Fire Annie is as duty bound as Ysengrin, for BunnyBoys sake. Ms Flame-On took note of him. If she's the source of anger, things might calm down. But it begs the question, what side of Annie is her duty to the Forest animals found? If it's even that simple.
I do like Ysengrin's indication of her self-harming. Not all of her damage can be blamed an Anthony, though his ineptitude has certainly caused much. Maybe, an appropriate analogy would be drinking to numb one's self. This could be her sobering up, which can sometimes be an ugly picture.
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Post by l33tninja on Oct 16, 2015 15:29:14 GMT
Ysengrin, M.D. The Doctor is In
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Post by pasko on Oct 16, 2015 15:29:21 GMT
This is not a rabbit. It's a Dodo.
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Post by fish on Oct 16, 2015 15:41:54 GMT
Regarding the Rabbit's lack of fear: How do humans react when two friends start fighting (physically) in front of them? The shout: "Stop it!"/ try to actually stop them. How do Foley students react when two friends start fighting (physically) in front of them? They shout "Fight! Fight! Fight!"/ shed a tear at this beautiful expression of friendship. [see page 996] But anyways, the cuteness overload in the last two panels is bound to bring Annie back to her senses. Which is a shame, I would have liked to see some things burn to crisps.
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Post by jda on Oct 16, 2015 16:10:13 GMT
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Post by Trillium on Oct 16, 2015 16:32:46 GMT
Rabbit has been brave throughout her/his story. It took bravery to decide to leave the Forest, undergo the change and begin a new life. As for returning and seeing Old Ysengrin and the forest medium tussleling, that goesn't seem to be alarming. Ysengrin has been in charge of training her and this is just part of that training. Nothing odd or alarming about that.
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Post by Onomatopoeia on Oct 16, 2015 17:19:46 GMT
Giving the crazy girl the power of life and death over the people that are mean to her. What an excellent idea, Ysengrin.
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Post by l33tninja on Oct 16, 2015 17:24:19 GMT
Just re-reading a little and this page gunnerkrigg.com/?p=940 made me think that hopefully Annie takes a few more steps in the direction of understanding emotions.
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Post by TBeholder on Oct 16, 2015 17:25:24 GMT
Ex-rabbit is amusing indeed. "Oh! It's you! :3 " Obligatory "Her hair, it goes up!" Yes. Wait... I began to wonder whether Kat will quote it now. Is that some sort of face, Carver? (A fairly terrifying face.) "Smoulder with generic rage"? Could be worse. And occasionally was. Besides, it's over. I mean, in panel 6 Annie's head bows down - she is either gone really feral and biting 'Grin's hand or she's in tears. My bet is on the latter. Rabbit-boy, you're got far more cuteness than self preservation. Cuteness is but another survival adaptation!
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Post by Gotolei on Oct 16, 2015 17:35:04 GMT
I'm not sure if Ysengrin has balls of steel here, or if this is just Tuesday to him. Sure, Annie's particular circumstances are unique, but if elementals are even relatively common in the forest then chances are Mr Tough-Love Wolfdad has done this sort of thing before. Doesn't work: [img]http://imgur.com/YVkrutj[/img] Does work:[img]https://i.imgur.com/YVkrutj.png[/img] Like so: ⬛ = Annie ⬛ = Not Annie Though the illusion threw me off for a bit as well.
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Post by Per on Oct 16, 2015 18:39:20 GMT
It's... Eglamore? Giving the crazy girl the power of life and death over the people that are mean to her. What an excellent idea, Ysengrin. Don't you know that in Carrie-type scenarios you're supposed to think the people who get murdered had it coming?
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Post by Refugee on Oct 16, 2015 19:02:32 GMT
Bunny boy has no understanding of human emotions, facial expressions, or fire elemental behavior. His responses here arise from naivete.
He's a rabbit, though, and I'm a bit surprised he didn't recognize an angry predator, which is what Antimony is at the moment.
Huge props to Ys. He is doing exactly the right thing, right up to telling Annie to do her damn job--which in this case another way of saying "Face your anger and control it, because the alternative is to die."
Which by the way includes not burning the boy, who is a complete innocent in all this.
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Post by Refugee on Oct 16, 2015 19:04:53 GMT
And maybe the blunt approach wasn't even the right one here. It could honestly all backfire. If it backfires, it will be because Annie is too weak. Ys is taking exactly the right approach; it is up to Annie to respond correctly.
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Post by luxanima on Oct 16, 2015 19:06:38 GMT
What job? What promise? I forgot...
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Post by Refugee on Oct 16, 2015 19:54:26 GMT
What job? What promise? I forgot... Annie promised to arrange meetings with the Bunny's fairy friend.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 16, 2015 22:39:26 GMT
⬛ = Annie ⬛ = Not Annie Though the illusion threw me off for a bit as well. The reason why the illusion works so well is that anatomically it can work and the ground isn't visible (as well as the colors of the background flame matching the leg and that atypically large black streak, as others have mentioned). Her left leg would have to be extended, in other words, the foot rotated so that the toes top would be pointed at the viewer and the knee would "go down" as a result, possibly sticking the foot through ground level. That would elongate her upper thighs but the viewer doesn't have her lower legs or the top of the left boot for comparison so where the knee is exactly can't be determined. I'll illustrate this (tastefully). I have been monitoring the Zone of Butt waiting for it to explode like a child waits for presents on Christmas morning but nobody's seen it there. The faction that "saw" it would be so sad when the skirt would appear intact on Monday. There was a Hulk ref in the comments; that was the closest. Am disappoint.
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Post by tootsiren on Oct 17, 2015 0:17:26 GMT
I'm not overly worried about Ysengrin. Annie is potentially powerful, but she still has zero experience using her etheric abilities without a blinker stone. Ysengrin is also an immortal demigod with lifetimes more experience than Annie and as much, if not more, elemental power.
I'm more worried about bunny boy, because Annie lashing out and accidentally murdering someone is a neckbreaker twist that's perfect for the end of a chapter.
Interesting to note: What Annie did was so unnatural and so bizarre that etheric beings either barely recognized her or straight-up didn't recognize her. To them it looked like she slashed up her face.
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 17, 2015 1:08:36 GMT
Ysengrin is also an immortal demigod with lifetimes more experience than Annie But the elemental DOES have lifetimes of experience, and doesn't need the blinker stone, and is essentially made of unrestrained emotion...
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Post by nero on Oct 17, 2015 2:28:06 GMT
Annie introduced herself as the forest medium when she was all lit up. Her job is to be approachable and our rabbit friend remembers this. I'm sure if something goes wrong that Parley will conveniently appear right on time to save them.
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Post by TBeholder on Oct 17, 2015 2:38:36 GMT
Annie introduced herself as the forest medium when she was all lit up. Also, it's not like he have seen Annie before in human-to-human way. Only spirit sight and from rabbit's PoV, and that got to be very different. Her job is to be approachable and our rabbit friend remembers this. Or the former rabbit is giddily attracted to "Pretty Lights!" just like the rest of them.
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Post by elebenty on Oct 17, 2015 3:39:56 GMT
Ysengrin is also an immortal demigod with lifetimes more experience than Annie But the elemental DOES have lifetimes of experience, and doesn't need the blinker stone, and is essentially made of unrestrained emotion... No, the elemental is not unrestrained emotion. Fire!Annie is both perceptive and responsive. I'm hoping Fire Annie is as duty bound as Ysengrin, for BunnyBoys sake. Ms Flame-On took note of him. If she's the source of anger, things might calm down.But it begs the question, what side of Annie is her duty to the Forest animals found? If it's even that simple. I agree, this isn't the first time we have seen Fire!Annie take note of something, but at the moment she is more aware of the surroundings (and X-Bunny) than her counterpart. Besides, it's over. I mean, in panel 6 Annie's head bows down - she is either gone really feral and biting 'Grin's hand or she's in tears. My bet is on the latter. Also, the flames are on low in panel 6. It may not be completely over, but Fire!Annie is responding rationally. Now let's see what MaskGirl does.
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Post by Goatmon on Oct 17, 2015 8:29:46 GMT
I thought I'd stop by to show you guys the soundtrack for today's page.
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Post by Goatmon on Oct 17, 2015 9:22:17 GMT
But the elemental DOES have lifetimes of experience, and doesn't need the blinker stone, and is essentially made of unrestrained emotion... No, the elemental is not unrestrained emotion. Fire!Annie is both perceptive and responsive. I'm not seeing how any of that contradicts what you're replying to.
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Post by loner on Oct 17, 2015 11:37:02 GMT
Personally, i'm not really worried about Ysengrin (aka best dad wolf ever). He's a demi god, i think he can handle a teenager part fire elemental. Maybe he will get burned, but he won't die or get seriously injured.
I'm more worried about rabbit boy, because to Annie's point of view, he may or may not be saying that without the anger she was suppressing and trying to manage so hard, she was not the same person (and not the forest medium). And, hey, she got all that rage bubbling inside of her, too, so i don't think she can be rational here. Sorry for my bad english, too !
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 17, 2015 12:48:10 GMT
Personally, i'm not really worried about Ysengrin (aka best dad wolf ever). He's a demi god, i think he can handle a teenager part fire elemental. Maybe he will get burned, but he won't die or get seriously injured. Normally Antimony would lose in a fistfight with Ysengrin. ...But if her skirt really is torn/slit to the waist that's a sign Antimony might be MARVEL COMICS level angry, a level of anger previously here reserved for Ysengrin. That would mean it's clobberin' time.
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