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Post by Gotolei on Oct 5, 2015 7:00:35 GMT
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Post by sapientcoffee on Oct 5, 2015 7:01:54 GMT
Ysengrin's gonna be pissed about the use she put his advice to.
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 5, 2015 7:02:42 GMT
Jeez, that's bleak.Ysengrin is displeased with current developments. Is he mourning too much to interact with her currently? I hope he still thinks she's beautiful... I waited too long to post tonight...oh well! Ysengrin's gonna be pissed about the use she put his advice to. Yes, the unstable demigod who represses his feelings and has a homicidal-level inferiority complex probably wasn't the right guy to take advice from on how to handle emotions. That was kind of guaranteed to go wrong from the start... So sad, that Annie seems to be looking for comfort and Ysengrin is being distant. It hits hard after the jovial tone of Coyote's interlude. It also shows a rather strange dynamic...now she has two (!!) distant, disappointed father figures! That's not doing her any favors. Also, did Ysengrin not see her during her last visit with Coyote? Maybe Coyote wanted her all to Himself that time? |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 5, 2015 7:05:25 GMT
Maybe if she tried putting some product in it it would go up. Not very high but still. Ysengrin's gonna be pissed about the use she put his advice to. Especially if she claims he was the inspiration for what she did. But maybe it will cause Ys to take a look at himself. |
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Post by temeritee on Oct 5, 2015 7:06:11 GMT
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Post by carasanathema on Oct 5, 2015 7:06:15 GMT
Is this where Ysengrin realizes that young people don't always understand metaphorical language?
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Post by arf on Oct 5, 2015 7:07:48 GMT
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Post by ctso74 on Oct 5, 2015 7:10:47 GMT
Perhaps, he's thinking it's an Etheric type of self-harming. He's not far off, in my opinion.
Or she reeks of humanity. He's just being polite really.
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 5, 2015 7:12:04 GMT
But maybe it will cause Ys to take a look at himself. Let's hope. That's about the best way this could end... ...at least she isn't crying. Yet. Honestly though, it might do her some good to let her emotions out. After all, it helped her form a deeper bond with Kat way back in Chapter 6, and let her start to come to terms with her loss of her mother. I'm not sure how Ysengrin would react, but one hopes he could be understanding like he was here. But he may see it as another form of weakness, and inflict further damage on Annie's emotional state... We'll have to see. |
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Post by philman on Oct 5, 2015 7:22:07 GMT
What will it take to make her snap out of this? Clearly Ysengrin and the forest isn't going to if she didn't even bring her fire with her here.
Personally I still think it is only going to happen when tony decides to try and do something drastic with Renard and Renard reacts by defending himself as Kat told him, probably killing Tony. Everything until then is just prelude.
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Post by gunnerwf on Oct 5, 2015 7:25:28 GMT
One of the reasons, ysengrin likes annie is because of her fire elemental part, is what Tom said. He probably isn't happy to see her without her fire elemental part.
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Post by keef on Oct 5, 2015 7:54:04 GMT
One of the reasons, ysengrin likes annie is because of her fire elemental part, is what Tom said. He probably isn't happy to see her without her fire elemental part. It's almost an insult to him; coming to the forest without her elemental part, nothing but a human girl. |
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Post by Gotolei on Oct 5, 2015 8:12:50 GMT
I wonder if the normal forest people will be able to notice how different she is.
For a demigod to notice is small beans, but just how in-tune to the ether are the everyday folk?
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Post by youwiththeface on Oct 5, 2015 8:12:34 GMT
Honestly though, it might do her some good to let her emotions out. After all, it helped her form a deeper bond with Kat way back in Chapter 6, and let her start to come to terms with her loss of her mother. I'm not sure how Ysengrin would react, but one hopes he could be understanding like he was here. But he may see it as another form of weakness, and inflict further damage on Annie's emotional state... We'll have to see. *stares* Oh. Oh, yes. Another trip to the tree would actually be really good for her right now. That would be the perfect call back. |
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Post by madragoran on Oct 5, 2015 8:26:46 GMT
I think Ysengrin goes beyond liking Annie. Yes he is pragmatic and very rude and not the touchy feely type. He wants her to be strong and to fight through difficulties. I think we are all interpreting what his reaction is by just two panels. We have seen them together being close. And her reaction in panel 4 shows they are close. I think Ysengrin can be sad/ dissapointed/ angry/ upset at Annie/ at the Court/ at Anthony. I have found trying to interpret people's feelings based on your perception of them is usually mistaken especially if/ when they, the people, are not similar to your own emotional profile.
As an aside. Annie is crowded with father figures. Anthony, Ysengrin, Donald, Jimmie. The only mother type is Jones (Anja has not interacted with her so much apart from blinker stone training that one time). Must be somewhat crowded in her head to have to please all those daddies.
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Post by TBeholder on Oct 5, 2015 8:36:15 GMT
No one will be impressed...
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 5, 2015 8:40:33 GMT
If her etheric attractiveness is currently affixed to her bedroom ceiling the forest folk just aren't going to find Antimony as hot as they once did.
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Post by speedwell on Oct 5, 2015 9:19:56 GMT
I don't know what is causing Ysengrin to turn away. We assume it's his disapproval of her, but to me it's the reaction of someone keeping his own counsel about something that can't be helped. I would expect him to act the same way if he came to his own conclusions about the situation and didn't blame her for it. Would you have expected Coyote to have not said something to him about her, as well? I could easily see the thought "so this is what the Court was doing to her and why it took Coyote's wrath to get her back" in his mind, and I could see him turning away to hide his own sympathy and pain. It's all too typical of Annie, as well, to blame herself for someone else's anger or sorrow.
Edit: If one of your close friends who you knew had a tough home life appeared one morning, after an unexplained absence, with a black eye, a straight back, and an air of "life as normal please", and you were conditioned to never show your emotional weakness or disrespectfully acknowledge that of your equals, how would you react? That's what I'm really seeing in Ysengrin. Annie's look of childish trust in the third panel and half-apologetic affection in the fourth panel could not have been comfortable for him. He likely won't tell her "what's wrong" in front of the Court people, either.
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Post by Xan on Oct 5, 2015 9:36:38 GMT
I think it's possible that her elemental part is with her. It's just Ysengrin is able to read what happened from the looks.
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Post by Trillium on Oct 5, 2015 9:55:17 GMT
I think Ysengrin goes beyond liking Annie. Yes he is pragmatic and very rude... As an aside. Annie is crowded with father figures. Anthony, Ysengrin, Donald, Jimmie. The only mother type is Jones (Anja has not interacted with her so much apart from blinker stone training that one time). Must be somewhat crowded in her head to have to please all those daddies. All those father figures to please; that really is a dreadful thought. |
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Post by gwydion on Oct 5, 2015 10:13:21 GMT
Well this poetic, the advice from the wolf god bites him in the rear end (or would that be lower trunk?)
if this follows the traditional Reynard cycle formula Ysengrim well end up humiliated and enraged, that's a high possibility.
Anyway I'm getting more interested in Annie's emotional state now as all of her help bridges are being burnt. Coyote no practical help in emotional affairs, Kat a year ahead, Reynard under silence, Shadow, hanging around a wall, Robot, planning something....
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Oct 5, 2015 10:35:13 GMT
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Post by speedwell on Oct 5, 2015 10:54:00 GMT
He's lifting her hair on that side. Interesting theory. |
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Post by aline on Oct 5, 2015 11:12:26 GMT
Well, we identify people by sights, but it's different for Ysengrin and Coyote. The first thing they see is the ether, and everything else is kinda secondary. Like smell to us. When he saw her, the first thing Coyote said was "it's not her". Ysengrin is probably feeling like that too. "This person is not my friend. Who is this stranger with my friend's face?"
Hard not to feel a bit distant under the circumstances.
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Post by OGRuddawg on Oct 5, 2015 15:13:01 GMT
Ysengrin might also be pissed that she brought the rabbit in human form. He considers them traitors.
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Post by Per on Oct 5, 2015 17:16:34 GMT
If someone won't hang out with you when you've lost your fire elemental, were they your friend in the first place?
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Post by tootsiren on Oct 5, 2015 17:35:52 GMT
Dogs don't like it when you get a haircut. The change upsets them.
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Post by nero on Oct 5, 2015 17:54:34 GMT
It is weird to compare Ysengrin and Anthony as father figures to Annie. They have a lot going against them. Maybe Annie's time in the Forest will make her realize that the sooner she connects with her fire the better. I think the Forest dwellers can all see that this is only half of Annie and that a big part of her personality is missing.
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Post by aline on Oct 5, 2015 18:55:02 GMT
If someone won't hang out with you when you've lost your fire elemental, were they your friend in the first place? You say that as if she'd just left her pet cat at home. She left her soul at home. Any friend has a right to disapprove of that.
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Post by corvis on Oct 5, 2015 20:51:39 GMT
Perhaps the situation isn't as dire as we think? Us ordinary folks shut off parts of our personalities for one reason or another a lot. Is healthy? No. Does it help in the long run? No. Does life come to a grinding halt in nearly all respects when one does such a thing? No. She hasn't made herself into a zombie, folks, although damage has been done. She's trying to keep it together and go on with life, just slightly less than before. So that all those emotions (grief about her relationship with her father, rage at Renard being taken from her, perceived humiliation in front of her peers, feelings of loneliness and frustration in general) don't make her "break down like a complete fool". Speaking as someone who's been where Annie is (or somewhere very like it), I actually commend her for being able to carry on somehow: she's got it together more than I ever did. Her outside behavior should not be confused for how she is within--it's not all there is to her, and it's certainly not a symptom of anything but Annie's trying to heal the best she can at the moment. I thought it was only here in America that people think that the surest sign that something is wrong with you is that you are trying to remain well-adjusted.
But that isn't to say she's doing fine. I see no reason to believe that Ysengrin or Coyote have some kind of special insight into what's going on in Annie's mind/soul, such as it is. But I still want to hear what, if anything, Ysengrin will say about it before assuming what his feelings about it are.
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