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Post by scottjm on Sept 21, 2015 14:07:16 GMT
Kind of impressed with Tony. He's bucking both Coyote and the Lords of the Court. I am amused by how fast the Court turned tail. I am not convinced on either of those. To me, it feels more like the court is using Anthony as their fall guy and he is still doing what they want. I expect they are relying on Tony bein annie's father, and acting out of parental concern (which from the last chapter he actually appears to be doing) to keep things from going to out of hand, so they can appear to agree with/give in to Coyote and not be seen as antagonizing the forest. The way they brought Anthony back screams that they want things their way but with deniability, and their actions are still in line with that thought process. |
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Post by storyteller on Sept 21, 2015 14:43:35 GMT
All this reminds me of is Kat's response to Anthony's query about how safe Renard was. "You weren't even here!" Worrying about Annie's safety now rings more than a little hollow considering she had no idea where he was or even how to contact him while she was dealing with all manner of potentially unsafe creatures and situations. And hell, I'd think it'd be safer, if only in the short term, to be on Coyote's good side rather than his bad. "Coyote is no liar. Therein lies the danger." This line has been long be taken to be a warning of how everything that Coyote says is true, but that it doesn't mean that your interpretation of it is correct, that some pieces of the puzzle may be missing. It could also be used in this case, that Coyote doesn't tell comforting lies. As has already been stated, Coyote sees what Annie has done as mutilating herself ( and to be honest, we do not know how bad the damage is) by how he is reacting. Tony says to Coyote: "How can she be safe when you are so angry?" Tony has just asked Coyote a question, and Coyote's answer seems to be that Annie is not safe with Tony. Coyote tells no lies. |
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Post by jda on Sept 21, 2015 16:05:54 GMT
They fear My great might, of course!Look at Me, advancing the plot, saving the day, mocking fools!!! Being around Me is totally safe, after all. I mean, how many times has Annie almost been killed in the forest? Maybe three, tops? O our plot saviour, Lord Coyote! We all humbly rever you! |
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Post by CoyoteReborn on Sept 21, 2015 16:19:25 GMT
O our plot saviour, Lord Coyote! We all humbly rever you! |
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Post by Trillium on Sept 21, 2015 16:26:26 GMT
All this reminds me of is Kat's response to Anthony's query about how safe Renard was. "You weren't even here!" Worrying about Annie's safety now rings more than a little hollow considering she had no idea where he was or even how to contact him while she was dealing with all manner of potentially unsafe creatures and situations. And hell, I'd think it'd be safer, if only in the short term, to be on Coyote's good side rather than his bad. "Coyote is no liar. Therein lies the danger." This line has been long be taken to be a warning of how everything that Coyote says is true, but that it doesn't mean that your interpretation of it is correct, that some pieces of the puzzle may be missing. It could also be used in this case, that Coyote doesn't tell comforting lies. As has already been stated, Coyote sees what Annie has done as mutilating herself ( and to be honest, we do not know how bad the damage is) by how he is reacting. Tony says to Coyote: "How can she be safe when you are so angry?" Tony has just asked Coyote a question, and Coyote's answer seems to be that Annie is not safe with Tony. And Coyote tells no lies. The Court isn't exactly a safe place and then there's Tony as a protector or guardian. Tony has done Annie a lot of harm inadvertently/not intending harm: He went off for two years without staying touch leaving Annie pretty much abandoned, though he did provide room, board, tuition and I'm guessing money for clothing and books. He accidentally put her into a coma. His return, demands and treatment caused her to cut off her Fire Elemental. I view this as a metaphor for cutting. All of these and Tony's culpability have been discussed to death in the forums but the fact remains Tony has harmed Annie. I'm pretty sure Coyote is aware of all this though he may not know how Annie removed her elemental nature. At the moment I'm giving Tony points for standing between Annie and Coyote. He is trying to reason with a building toppling angry forest God to protect his daughter. All while the Headmaster and his cronies are huddled behind the strongest barriers they can raise. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Sept 21, 2015 16:52:54 GMT
O our plot saviour, Lord Coyote! We all humbly rever you! oh Coyote, we know you know that... 1 It will be a lot more interesting to see Annie save berself than to rescue her. 2. If Annie can't save herself, then she isn't interesting or worth saving. |
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Post by Per on Sept 21, 2015 16:54:56 GMT
So the Lords of the Court are a collection of different metals. Mystery solved?
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Post by scottjm on Sept 21, 2015 17:44:32 GMT
O our plot saviour, Lord Coyote! We all humbly rever you! Am I the only one who read that as barks, and had to re-read the post to be sure... |
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Post by CoyoteReborn on Sept 21, 2015 17:58:50 GMT
Am I the only one who read that as barks, and had to re-read the post to be sure... |
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Post by csj on Sept 21, 2015 18:04:41 GMT
This page makes me think it was not the Court's idea to keep Annie out of the forest. Combine today's update with this update. Why bother interfering now when you plan on kicking her out regardless? To them, Annie is almost certainly considered a failure; too aligned and/or influenced by Coyote to be useful to whatever their long-term plans are. By comparison, Tony is a useful and controllable tool. I don't think Coyote will take her back straight away, especially given her current state; he'll likely just berate Tony and the court (as others stated), give them a warning or deadline, then strut out before crawling into a ball and bemoaning the lack of anyone to tell him stories about how great he is. |
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Post by darththulhu on Sept 21, 2015 19:04:21 GMT
My teeth are stone, my bones are wood. Your point? *tilts head sideways quizzically*"His head is tin. His eyes are those of an eagle. He sees as an eagle..." Five internets to anyone who can place that English translation of a famous quote without searching. Don't know the quote, so no Internets for me, but it sounds like the Stalin-esque self-promoting propaganda of a conquering dictator (except Stalin would say "steel" instead of "tin"). Back before the canning industry, tin had a more noble connotation in most classical cultures. Specifically, most eastern Mediterranean cultures associated tin with the king of the gods, be that Jove/Jupiter/Zeus, Baal, or Horus-Ra. Since I've never heard the quote in relation to Alexander or other Greeks, and it's not the style of boast that Jewish monarchs made, I'm going to go with "some Pharoah" or "some Phoenician/Carthaginian" or "some Assyrian" or "some Hittite". |
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Post by sherni on Sept 21, 2015 19:12:20 GMT
Well, Tony, 20 points to Gryffindor for having the guts to stand up to Coyote. Minus 50 points for being a hypocrite and giving Coyote the perfect opening to shut you down with an utterly crushing (and apropos) remark.
And minus a hundred points to the Court for being a bunch of cowardly pushovers. Unless this was their plan all along? In which case, what the heck are they playing at?!
Annie, you're going to lose points too if you just stand there. Pull yourself together and do something, for pity's sake!
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Post by knightingale on Sept 21, 2015 19:48:33 GMT
Oh dear, Tony, you're not going to like how Coyote responds to that.
It would be interesting if Annie got herself together to defend her father from Coyote if he attempted to attack him, though now that Coyote's had his little temper tantrum (just a little one!) I doubt he's going to get physical.
Why exert force to break someone down when the truth will do it just as well, after all?
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Post by corvis on Sept 21, 2015 20:02:50 GMT
Said Aspen d'Grey in 2007:
"Well, looks like I lose. The dog is going to be important to the story."
None of us has any idea......
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Post by Ombre on Sept 21, 2015 21:00:31 GMT
Does anyone know if Tom does this traditionally through paints or through digit means, cause my artistic side is nerding out. As far as I've read about the making of GC, Tom started drawing on paper then coloring on a tablet (I think), then, with the course of time, he progressively shifted to an all-tablet method (the Patreon money and extra time seem to have helped a lot). You will probably find more details in his interviews on the Internet (you can use GC's fan wiki to find more links if needed). |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 22, 2015 0:06:53 GMT
"His head is tin. His eyes are those of an eagle. He sees as an eagle..." Five internets to anyone who can place that English translation of a famous quote without searching. Don't know the quote, so no Internets for me, but it sounds like the Stalin-esque self-promoting propaganda of a conquering dictator (except Stalin would say "steel" instead of "tin"). Back before the canning industry, tin had a more noble connotation in most classical cultures. Specifically, most eastern Mediterranean cultures associated tin with the king of the gods, be that Jove/Jupiter/Zeus, Baal, or Horus-Ra. Since I've never heard the quote in relation to Alexander or other Greeks, and it's not the style of boast that Jewish monarchs made, I'm going to go with "some Pharoah" or "some Phoenician/Carthaginian" or "some Assyrian" or "some Hittite". Getting warmer...  |
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Post by jda on Sept 22, 2015 4:40:48 GMT
Dude, were you ever so mad that your body triple laughed?
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Post by gwydion on Sept 22, 2015 5:54:05 GMT
Does anyone know if Tom does this traditionally through paints or through digit means, cause my artistic side is nerding out. As far as I've read about the making of GC, Tom started drawing on paper then coloring on a tablet (I think), then, with the course of time, he progressively shifted to an all-tablet method (the Patreon money and extra time seem to have helped a lot). You will probably find more details in his interviews on the Internet (you can use GC's fan wiki to find more links if needed). Thanks.  |
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Post by keef on Sept 22, 2015 12:02:19 GMT
As far as I've read about the making of GC, Tom started drawing on paper then coloring on a tablet (I think), then, with the course of time, he progressively shifted to an all-tablet method (the Patreon money and extra time seem to have helped a lot). You will probably find more details in his interviews on the Internet (you can use GC's fan wiki to find more links if needed). Thanks. Links to all the interviews and Toms Google+ and Youtube here:  or just click my userbar. |
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Post by matoyak on Sept 22, 2015 19:47:04 GMT
Being around Me is totally safe, after all. I mean, how many times has Annie almost been killed in the forest? Maybe three, tops? Compared with near deaths in the Court...seems relatively safe, yeah. Does anyone know if Tom does this traditionally through paints or through digit means, cause my artistic side is nerding out. Nowadays it's entirely digital, though he started drawing and inking it on paper (Coloring on tablet), then went to drawing on paper, and inking and coloring on tablet, and then into all digital. If I am remembering correctly, that is. 98% sure. |
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Post by corvis on Sept 22, 2015 20:37:44 GMT
Am I the only one who read that as barks, and had to re-read the post to be sure... Sounds like a yappy lapdog to me.  |
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Post by CoyoteReborn on Sept 23, 2015 5:28:11 GMT
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Post by corvis on Sept 24, 2015 2:25:19 GMT
Speaking as a part time Homo sapiens, I concede that all that gabble was difficult to get used to. One learns to live with it. *bow; scrape* *snicker* |
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Post by warrl on Sept 27, 2015 0:30:33 GMT
So the Lords of the Court are a collection of different metals. Mystery solved? But are they anything more to each other than alloys of convenience? Because last Wednesday I heard a pack of your kindred in the night, sounding like a junior-high cheerleader squad in a heated argument. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 27, 2015 3:39:05 GMT
So the Lords of the Court are a collection of different metals. Mystery solved? But are they anything more to each other than alloys of convenience? Yes. Comic #1569 panel 2: When the Court is threatened they combine to form Voltron. |
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