[1567] NOT Her!

[sherni]

More Coyote!! This makes me happy!

I'm glad he's noticed. But I wonder if anyone else will catch on.

[Xan]

Sept 16, 2015 7:08:36 GMT temeritee said:

Also: what would the consequences be of Coyote announcing Annie's split from her fire in front of the Court? Would they study her for the possibilities?

I believe that they will think it was Tony's doing (aka success).

The real question is then, how good is Tony's poker face in this case.

If the past is any indication, very good.

[keef]

Sept 16, 2015 7:24:31 GMT Gotolei said:

Also possibly worth noting is the thick white line going off-panel, that starts at Annie.

Etheric link to Fire, maybe?

You never know with Tom, but I would be surprised if it wasn't.

Sept 16, 2015 7:44:19 GMT Daedalus said:

Sept 16, 2015 7:36:13 GMT darththulhu said:

various people come and go and who can keep track of them all (the Protector doesn't have to always be Eglamore, the Headmaster Lump doesn't have to always be Llanwellyn), and so we just blip along to Coyote's various emotional high points and low points.

Note that Annie is significant enough for Coyote to take time to notice her absence - she is of no small importance to him.

Whether being the focus of Coyote's attention is a good or bad thing, however, is open to debate...

Remember, Coyote doesn't actively lie, per se. He really does consider Annie his friend, if these few pages are actually from his perspective. But that doesn't mean his definition of friendship remotely resembles our definition of the term, nor does it mean she will still be his friend if she later slights him one time too many.

It's always a mixed blessing to come to the attention of the gods. On the other hand it is great to see she is a real person to Coyote, while Eglamore and the Headmaster are just part of the scenery.

Sept 16, 2015 7:47:15 GMT sapientcoffee said:

Prediction: so many new avatars! Some have changed already, where will it end?!

I like Coyote as narrator of the comic, and I like the new avatars, but it's sad he's eating Digger.

Sept 16, 2015 8:09:01 GMT CoyoteReborn said:

More like Ash-Heart Girl.

Please light her Fire again Lord Coyote!

[Per]

Coyote is not very supportive of change in others.

[Gotolei]

Sept 16, 2015 9:58:32 GMT keef said:

Sept 16, 2015 7:47:15 GMT sapientcoffee said:

Prediction: so many new avatars! Some have changed already, where will it end?!

I like Coyote as narrator of the comic, and I like the new avatars, but it's sad he's eating Digger.

Nah, Digger's entirely behind Coyote's head there. She's just watching in shock as Coyote does.. whatever the heck he's doing.

[justcurious]

What is Jones' reaction going to be when she realizes what Annie has done to herself and when she realizes the Court's forcing Tony to interfere with Annie's role as Medium?

[Jelly Jellybean]

Sept 16, 2015 7:24:31 GMT Gotolei said:

Also possibly worth noting is the thick white line going off-panel, that starts at Annie.

Etheric link to Fire, maybe?

If the white line does connect Annie to the Fire Elemental, maybe Coyote will follow it and re-meet with the Fire Elemental.

Makes me wonder if Coyote will want the Fire Elemental to return to the Forest with him while the Court keeps Annie.

[TBeholder]

It's going to be awkward for everyone, yes?

Sept 16, 2015 7:06:26 GMT Gotolei said:

Interesting, yet oddly fitting, how Jones is just blank. No symbol at all.

With hands behind her back and no doubt the same ol' good poker face.

Sept 16, 2015 9:19:20 GMT imaginaryfriend said:

Either he's seated or Jonathan's really let himself go.

Well, obviously. And we can't see whether The Inflatable Blowhard missed his air refill again.
I suspect the batch of bricks will be produced very soon, however.

[quark]

I think the two... figures next to Jones are Smitty and Parley. She's taller than him, and he perceives their 'roles' in the court, as shown by their symbols.

Poor ol' Annie, missing the fire spirit inside! Well maybe Coyote has to take measures, then. They exchanged HIS medium for some kind of replica!!

[aline]

Sept 16, 2015 9:19:20 GMT imaginaryfriend said:

My takeaway from this page is how done with being a medium Antimony is in the eyes of the Court at this point in the story. "When they brought her to him" suggests to me a time-lapse that means they didn't just bring her out from the sidelines but they had to go get her. If she saw the signal from the Wood she didn't come to the greeting hall and nobody went looking for her to ask why.

Ya well, the entire point of that elaborate manoeuver of them was, apparently, to end "that business with the Forest". They then went so far as to get Daddy from wherever in the world he was, spending months to put him back on foot, and then blackmailing him into settling the matter for them. Now that they think they succeeded, Annie in the same room as Coyote has got to be the last thing they wanted. Why in the world would they send for her unless forced to do so?

[storyteller]

Sept 16, 2015 12:09:40 GMT aline said:

Sept 16, 2015 9:19:20 GMT imaginaryfriend said:

My takeaway from this page is how done with being a medium Antimony is in the eyes of the Court at this point in the story. "When they brought her to him" suggests to me a time-lapse that means they didn't just bring her out from the sidelines but they had to go get her. If she saw the signal from the Wood she didn't come to the greeting hall and nobody went looking for her to ask why.

Ya well, the entire point of that elaborate manoeuver of them was, apparently, to end "that business with the Forest". They then went so far as to get Daddy from wherever in the world he was, spending months to put him back on foot, and then blackmailing him into settling the matter for them. Now that they think they succeeded, Annie in the same room as Coyote has got to be the last thing they wanted. Why in the world would they send for her unless forced to do so?

Well, that backfired didn't it. As keef just informed me last thread, we were told Coyote promised to stay out of Court business. Annie is the Forest Medium, AKA not just Court business. They just gave Coyote an open invitation to interfere with the Court, as they got into his business with Anthony, and we do not know how far it goes, but the farther, the more Coyote can interfere with Court Business because he isn't, he is just fixing Forest business.

[OrzBrain]

Sept 16, 2015 11:58:02 GMT quark said:

Poor ol' Annie, missing the fire spirit inside! Well maybe Coyote has to take measures, then. They exchanged HIS medium for some kind of replica!!

First of all he should express his displeasure by eating this poor replica they thought to fool him with. Then he should go tearing through the Court to find Annie. I'm sure she'll be so grateful when his locates her.

[Daedalus]

Sept 16, 2015 7:14:44 GMT The Anarch said:

Hey, it's Jones!

I like Jones.

Understatement of the year, heh.

Sept 16, 2015 9:58:32 GMT keef said:

Whether being the focus of Coyote's attention is a good or bad thing, however, is open to debate...

It's always a mixed blessing to come to the attention of the gods."May you come to the attention of people in power, as the (fictitious) Chinese curse goes.

Sept 16, 2015 9:58:32 GMT keef said:

Sept 16, 2015 8:09:01 GMT CoyoteReborn said:

More like Ash-Heart Girl.

Please light her Fire again Lord Coyote!

SPOILER: Click to show

[l33tninja]

Sept 16, 2015 12:09:40 GMT aline said:

Sept 16, 2015 9:19:20 GMT imaginaryfriend said:

My takeaway from this page is how done with being a medium Antimony is in the eyes of the Court at this point in the story. "When they brought her to him" suggests to me a time-lapse that means they didn't just bring her out from the sidelines but they had to go get her. If she saw the signal from the Wood she didn't come to the greeting hall and nobody went looking for her to ask why.

Ya well, the entire point of that elaborate manoeuver of them was, apparently, to end "that business with the Forest". They then went so far as to get Daddy from wherever in the world he was, spending months to put him back on foot, and then blackmailing him into settling the matter for them. Now that they think they succeeded, Annie in the same room as Coyote has got to be the last thing they wanted. Why in the world would they send for her unless forced to do so?

Coyote says he demanded to see her. He's kind of hard to say no to.

[Trillium]

Sept 16, 2015 15:04:53 GMT l33tninja said:

Sept 16, 2015 12:09:40 GMT aline said:

Ya well, the entire point of that elaborate manoeuver of them was, apparently, to end "that business with the Forest". They then went so far as to get Daddy from wherever in the world he was, spending months to put him back on foot, and then blackmailing him into settling the matter for them. Now that they think they succeeded, Annie in the same room as Coyote has got to be the last thing they wanted. Why in the world would they send for her unless forced to do so?

Coyote says he demanded to see her. He's kind of hard to say no to.

I don't think they have a problem bringing Annie to the meeting. She's become an obedient model student. She's even in her student uniform with green skirt and tan jumper. She has no fire spike and she probably left the fire elemental back in her room. I agree that the white line may go back to the elemental. 

The question is, what will Coyote do next?

[freeman]

Sept 16, 2015 7:06:26 GMT Gotolei said:

Interesting, yet oddly fitting, how Jones is just blank. No symbol at all.

I see a 'Venus figurine', does everyone else see it and reckon it doesn't need mentioning, because it's so obvious?

There was also one in treatise three: gunnerkrigg.com/?p=558link


(Too NSFW? But it's Art!)

Tom said in in a retrospective that the figurine indeed was a reference to Jones. I wonder why, unless by the simple explanation that she was the beginning of this whole figurine thing, some decamillenias in the past. You know, a girl who could suplex a bison must have been considered hot by the cavemen.

[pxc]

How is even this tiny, featureless depiction of Jones still so damn sexy? Dem curves, hnng.

[sapientcoffee]

Sept 16, 2015 10:25:08 GMT Gotolei said:

Sept 16, 2015 9:58:32 GMT keef said:

I like Coyote as narrator of the comic, and I like the new avatars, but it's sad he's eating Digger.

Nah, Digger's entirely behind Coyote's head there. She's just watching in shock as Coyote does.. whatever the heck he's doing.

Yeah, nah. Coyote's just showing her a cavity in his back teeth; he'd asked her to do a bit of dentistry with her pick.

[imaginaryfriend]

Sept 16, 2015 12:09:40 GMT aline said:

Sept 16, 2015 9:19:20 GMT imaginaryfriend said:

My takeaway from this page is how done with being a medium Antimony is in the eyes of the Court at this point in the story. "When they brought her to him" suggests to me a time-lapse that means they didn't just bring her out from the sidelines but they had to go get her. If she saw the signal from the Wood she didn't come to the greeting hall and nobody went looking for her to ask why.

Ya well, the entire point of that elaborate manoeuver of them was, apparently, to end "that business with the Forest". They then went so far as to get Daddy from wherever in the world he was, spending months to put him back on foot, and then blackmailing him into settling the matter for them. Now that they think they succeeded, Annie in the same room as Coyote has got to be the last thing they wanted. Why in the world would they send for her unless forced to do so?

Making Coyote wait would piss him off further, and unnecessarily so from the point of view of the Court achieving its own ends. Andrew already knew he was angry about this so it's easy to predict he'd want to see her. Coyote and the Court are already at polar opposite positions on if Antimony is Coyote's medium or not, no need to give him an additional tweak. [cut out of story + bored = two of his fave things]

Sept 16, 2015 18:00:49 GMT freeman said:

Sept 16, 2015 7:06:26 GMT Gotolei said:

Interesting, yet oddly fitting, how Jones is just blank. No symbol at all.

I see a 'Venus figurine', does everyone else see it and reckon it doesn't need mentioning, because it's so obvious?

We may have discussed it on the forum before.

Sept 16, 2015 16:37:01 GMT Trillium said:

Sept 16, 2015 15:04:53 GMT l33tninja said:

Coyote says he demanded to see her. He's kind of hard to say no to.

I don't think they have a problem bringing Annie to the meeting. She's become an obedient model student. She's even in her student uniform with green skirt and tan jumper. She has no fire spike and she probably left the fire elemental back in her room. I agree that the white line may go back to the elemental. 

The question is, what will Coyote do next?

If I were him I'd reach for the red thread and reel the real redhead right in. Possibly by biting it and running in circles around her.
[Here's hoping he doesn't know about the human game Zimm-Zamm. Or Ping-pong.]

[Eisenblume]

That last Coyote, my new avatar (that could stand to be fixed up a little more), is how I imagine a grue looks like.

[tortoise]

Sept 16, 2015 19:30:41 GMT Eisenblume said:

That last Coyote, my new avatar (that could stand to be fixed up a little more), is how I imagine a grue looks like.

It is dark. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.

[zbeeblebrox]

Sept 16, 2015 9:35:03 GMT youwiththeface said:

Sept 16, 2015 7:06:26 GMT Gotolei said:

Interesting, yet oddly fitting, how Jones is just blank. No symbol at all.

Annie doesn't have a symbol either. Or at least, she currently doesn't. She had a crown symbol on her in the previous pages of this chapter, but her short haired self has none.

But of course. The fire spike would be resting on the fire head, back in her giant room.
Coyote just has to follow his nose that really obvious thread!

Sept 16, 2015 12:44:10 GMT storyteller said:

we were told Coyote promised to stay out of Court business. Annie is the Forest Medium, AKA not just Court business. They just gave Coyote an open invitation to interfere with the Court..

It would not surprise me a bit if that was the Court's intention.

[ctso74]

1. While, it isn't an Etheric representation of Jimmy, Johnny, and Jones. I suppose Jones doesn't have one...? I still wonder, if Llanwellyn has some Etheric issues, which would explain his seeming lethargic look.
2. I imagine a story, in which Annie's separation is solved, will be incredibly sad. Tom could be using Coyote's tale, to keep our hearts from being torn more asunder, instead of being cruel. Maybe, Coyote will kindly solve all this, while apparently in the pages of a children's tome.

[mordekai]

As funny as these strips are, I would really like to watch the scenes in the usual art. I would love to watch Coyote's ragexplosion.

[l33tninja]

Sept 16, 2015 7:14:44 GMT The Anarch said:

Hey, it's Jones!

I like Jones.

who doesn't like Jones? I mean, srsly.

[aline]

Sept 16, 2015 15:04:53 GMT l33tninja said:

Coyote says he demanded to see her. He's kind of hard to say no to.

Of course demanded it, and they didn't say no. I was replying to imaginaryfriend who wondered why they didn't have Annie attend the meeting from the start.

Sept 16, 2015 19:24:59 GMT imaginaryfriend said:

Making Coyote wait would piss him off further, and unnecessarily so from the point of view of the Court achieving its own ends. Andrew already knew he was angry about this so it's easy to predict he'd want to see her. Coyote and the Court are already at polar opposite positions on if Antimony is Coyote's medium or not, no need to give him an additional tweak.

There is no "would", it already happened. It doesn't look like the Court is all that concerned about Coyote's moods. Maybe they even wanted to piss him off. In previous meetings as well, Llanwellyn was rude and sarcastic with Coyote and Ysengrin. They don't see Coyote as a god, just an invoenient being with too much power. They are cautious around him in some respects, they know he's dangerous, but they were never behaving like weak humans cowering before their impending doom.

[storyteller]

Sept 16, 2015 19:57:49 GMT zbeeblebrox said:

It would not surprise me a bit if that was the Court's intention.

If so, it would fit their habit of biting off more than they can chew. It is always when they attempt to hook big fish that things go sideways for them, usually when they are attempting to mess with the ether as well.

Jeanne- If she ever gets loose, there will be a blood bath.

Robots- The cruise, need I say anything else, and is still brewing under everyone's noses.

Tony- Lost his hand, nearly killed his daughter...

I cannot think of any time off the top of my head besides the ether stations that the Court's research into the ether paid off well. Some members of the court yes, such as the Donlans, and Kat. But whenever a member of the Court starts reaching high, it risks trouble. For example: Kat --> Robot --> appears to be unknowingly being turned into a god. There is a strong reoccurring theme of science becoming too overconfident, and that someone will pay the price for it. (Though in regards to Kat, it may not be her that is overconfident, versus Robot).

[fish]

A while ago Tom posted sketches of random Coyote shapes to his twitter. I bet those were practice sketches for this chapter. I'll post a link here, but be warned, it may contain Coyote-shape spoilers for the rest of the chapter: link

Sept 16, 2015 12:44:10 GMT storyteller said:

Sept 16, 2015 12:09:40 GMT aline said:

Ya well, the entire point of that elaborate manoeuver of them was, apparently, to end "that business with the Forest". They then went so far as to get Daddy from wherever in the world he was, spending months to put him back on foot, and then blackmailing him into settling the matter for them. Now that they think they succeeded, Annie in the same room as Coyote has got to be the last thing they wanted. Why in the world would they send for her unless forced to do so?

Well, that backfired didn't it. As keef just informed me last thread, we were told Coyote promised to stay out of Court business. Annie is the Forest Medium, AKA not just Court business. They just gave Coyote an open invitation to interfere with the Court, as they got into his business with Anthony, and we do not know how far it goes, but the farther, the more Coyote can interfere with Court Business because he isn't, he is just fixing Forest business.

This! For a while now I've been pretty convinced the only reason Coyote invited Annie to be an honorary citizen and Medium to the Forest was to have her as a loophole in this whole "can't mess with the Court" business. I doubt he had anything to do with Tony's reappearance but it hardly takes a genius to predict the Court would find a way to keep Annie from going to the forest someday. Boom, reason for conflict!

But now zbeeblebrox is pointing out this might actually have been the Court's plan and intention all along? Okay, I'm out. Not going to attempt to see through this game of Court/Forest chess

[todd]

Sept 16, 2015 23:32:31 GMT storyteller said:

If so, it would fit their habit of biting off more than they can chew. It is always when they attempt to hook big fish that things go sideways for them, usually when they are attempting to mess with the ether as well.

Jeanne- If she ever gets loose, there will be a blood bath.

Robots- The cruise, need I say anything else, and is still brewing under everyone's noses.

Tony- Lost his hand, nearly killed his daughter...

I cannot think of any time off the top of my head besides the ether stations that the Court's research into the ether paid off well. Some members of the court yes, such as the Donlans, and Kat. But whenever a member of the Court starts reaching high, it risks trouble. For example: Kat --> Robot --> appears to be unknowingly being turned into a god. There is a strong reoccurring theme of science becoming too overconfident, and that someone will pay the price for it. (Though in regards to Kat, it may not be her that is overconfident, versus Robot).

Not to mention how trying to trap Renard turned out. And I agree with your thoughts; I certainly can't see any benefit that's come from the Court's delving into the ether. If anything, all it's resulted in is their living next door to a forest with suspicious and often dangerous neighbors and all manner of backfiring events. As I've said before, I honestly don't think the whole thing's been worth it - but not too different from other stories about "man trying to become God".

[todd]

Sept 16, 2015 22:26:35 GMT aline said:

]Making Coyote wait would piss him off further, and unnecessarily so from the point of view of the Court achieving its own ends. Andrew already knew he was angry about this so it's easy to predict he'd want to see her. Coyote and the Court are already at polar opposite positions on if Antimony is Coyote's medium or not, no need to give him an additional tweak.

There is no "would", it already happened. It doesn't look like the Court is all that concerned about Coyote's moods. Maybe they even wanted to piss him off. In previous meetings as well, Llanwellyn was rude and sarcastic with Coyote and Ysengrin. They don't see Coyote as a god, just an invoenient being with too much power. They are cautious around him in some respects, they know he's dangerous, but they were never behaving like weak humans cowering before their impending doom.[/quote]

It certainly matches what Jones said about the Court looking down on the forest-folk as mere animals. But that arrogance might be heading for a cumeuppance.