Pig_catapult
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Post by Pig_catapult on Aug 18, 2015 4:49:14 GMT
Could it be the strange creatures laughing? Hm... maybe... But then he would have placed a matra to add the the vowel sound. Like this- हा .
That would add the 'A' sound at the end. Otherwise it's just the 'H'. "Hhhhhhhhhh" ... Wheezing, maybe? |
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Post by Sky Schemer on Aug 18, 2015 5:31:57 GMT
Lots of people are still pretty immature when they start families. When the baby actually arrives it's a wake-up call; sometimes the people rise to the challenge and grow up a bit more, but sometimes they hit the snooze button, pull the covers over their heads and get worse.  |
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Post by Draxiss on Aug 18, 2015 6:15:39 GMT
I see. Well, this is possibly more terrifying than the earlier abuse stuff. Possibly.
TOM I MUST KNOW WHERE THIS GOES.
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 18, 2015 6:49:24 GMT
'...and I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling kids' That, too. TOM I MUST KNOW WHERE THIS GOES. Good, good. You have passed to the second stage of addiction.  |
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Post by legion on Aug 18, 2015 9:11:48 GMT
Could it be the strange creatures laughing? Hm... maybe... But then he would have placed a matra to add the the vowel sound. Like this- हा .
That would add the 'A' sound at the end. Otherwise it's just the 'H'. That's not quite how devanagari works. In "ideal" devanagari, say, when writing Sanskrit, each letter has an inherent vowel "a", so म alone does in fact represent "ma", whereas adding the matra turns into long "a", so मा represents "maa", and if you really want the consonant alone you need म् "m". The trick is that in Hindi orthography, due to the language having evolved from Sanskrit and so having orthographic oddities, म alone can represent either "ma" or "m", depending in which context it appears. So for instance the name रम is read "Rama" in Sanskrit but "Ram" in Hindi. |
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Post by gwydion on Aug 18, 2015 9:44:09 GMT
Imagine if Surma goes to speak to him and it's Zimmy's lines that come out. Starting from which moment? "Heh, you want this, yeah?" (after she gone "deeper") or all of it including mention of a green boyfriend and "Oh, she got a thing for Jonesy too?"Of course, this would be both amusing and not good for Tony's sanity (well, what little was left of it) in either case. Tony's just kind of slowly shifting to from insane glee to just the expression of what the Hell? While his wife is talking about "ring of teeth, no they's knives.....green boyfriend....thing for Jonesy" ...and then "Hey message message from your little girl mate." On both a comedic and serious note, its fun to reread old chapters with new perspective. It really shows how good Mr Sidell is at writing this. |
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Post by corruptuser on Aug 18, 2015 14:02:00 GMT
Wait wait wait. They look like stylized TS's, as in "Tom Siddell". Are we sure it isn't just a signature?
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Aug 18, 2015 16:15:42 GMT
Wait wait wait. They look like stylized TS's, as in "Tom Siddell". Are we sure it isn't just a signature? Are you saying that Tom is the jerk who took advantage of Anthony's desperation and ignorance for his own personal gain? That is SO meta! And it makes sense. Psychopomps and etheric beings really don't have anything to gain by being so cruel to Anthony. But Tom gets more page views and clicks, which generates more advertising revenue. For all we know, Tom created this entire situation and has been planning this for years. I know there is nothing in-comic to support this wild speculation, and Tom may bankrupt himself just to throw us off, but it seems to make perfect sense. |
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Post by sherni on Aug 18, 2015 20:09:54 GMT
Hm... maybe... But then he would have placed a matra to add the the vowel sound. Like this- हा .
That would add the 'A' sound at the end. Otherwise it's just the 'H'. That's not quite how devanagari works. In "ideal" devanagari, say, when writing Sanskrit, each letter has an inherent vowel "a", so म alone does in fact represent "ma", whereas adding the matra turns into long "a", so मा represents "maa", and if you really want the consonant alone you need म् "m". The trick is that in Hindi orthography, due to the language having evolved from Sanskrit and so having orthographic oddities, म alone can represent either "ma" or "m", depending in which context it appears. So for instance the name रम is read "Rama" in Sanskrit but "Ram" in Hindi. Hm... I dodged Sanskrit in school, so I didn't know that. Ooops. But I do remember in Hindi, the inherent vowel would be pronounced with an 'uh' sound, not exactly a long 'aah' sound. So if someone was going 'Ha ha ha' I think you would need the matra... Wouldn't you need the matra to spell Ram as well? Like so- राम Otherwise it reads 'Ruh'm'. I was actually going by Hindi, although admittedly it isn't my mother-tongue, Bengali is. Imo it is Surma. Annie is Surma - same soul. When Tony looks at it, he sees it how he remembers her, as Surma. It was the same deal with Rey and Coyote when they first saw Annie. Jeanne's blade cut Annie's soul, so Tony sees the scar on Surma's face here. On a wildly speculative note: I wonder whether Tony realizes that Surma's soul lives on in Annie's body, and if he does, how that might mess with him. Maybe he sees his beloved Surma even when he physically looks at Annie. Then again, she is also his daughter. Maybe he is so cold towards Annie because he's scared to death that he might develop inappropriate feelings towards her and as a last resort chooses to suppress all emotion whatsoever. Edit: the thread title "Divine" may have been a verb, not an adjective. I'm not too sure that Annie and Surma have the same soul. Perhaps they share a part of it? After all, something was left of Surma that Annie took into the ether. And we don't really see Surma deteriorating mentally, which she possibly would have if she had lost her soul. Come to think of it, has the 'fire' ever been referred to as the soul, anywhere in the comic? I always got the impression that the fire was the vitality, the life force. Or at least a substantial part of it. If I recall correctly, Japanese and Egyptian mythology both say that a soul is divided into different parts, one of which contains the life energy. Other parts contain the personality and so on. My guess is that Surma's vitality, and the aspects of her personality which were brought on as a result of being part fire elemental (hot temper) went to Annie. Since you can't stay alive without vitality, Surma died. Going on with my guess, psychopomps need vitality to communicate with the dead person. Since Annie has her mother's vitality, she was able to do what they couldn't- help Surma cross over. But the rest of Annie's 'soul' is hers and hers alone. So... to sum up (guessing again), Anthony didn't exactly get Surma. He's calling up her the life force in Annie, which puts the poor girl in a coma. And... maybe he DID somehow manage to get the rest of Surma from somewhere? Pulled her back from beyond the veil? Tony, oh Tony... I can understand why he wanted to do this. But has calling the dead back EVER ended well? |
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Post by Sky Schemer on Aug 18, 2015 20:40:58 GMT
But has calling the dead back EVER ended well? Jesus? |
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Post by Trillium on Aug 18, 2015 23:37:30 GMT
But has calling the dead back EVER ended well? Jesus? Jesus is in a league of his own. I don't think he has much to do with Gunnerkrigg Court. |
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Post by justcurious on Aug 18, 2015 23:43:32 GMT
Jesus is in a league of his own. I don't think he has much to do with Gunnerkrigg Court. He was not called back but rather escaped. |
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Post by warrl on Aug 19, 2015 0:51:22 GMT
Could it be the strange creatures laughing? This is the creepiest explanation, so I'm pretty sure it's correct. I think we should name that Siddell's Razor: in eldritch fiction, the creepiest explanation is the most likely to be correct. |
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Post by darththulhu on Aug 19, 2015 1:37:20 GMT
So, assuming that Tony really has reached Surma / "The Fire Inside", and possibly has between hours and days to chat with her, what might he have heard from her prior to receiving Dragon Punch?
1) Annie is cheating her way through most classes by copying Kat
2) Annie keeps the multiple murderer Reynard as a pet
3) Annie has been attacked by Ysengrin
4) Annie has been attacked by the guardian of the Annan Waters
5) Annie has received a Coyote Tooth
6) Annie has been threatened with hand loss by Coyote
7) Annie has had a crush on a Forest boy ... just like the guardian of the Annan Waters
Other intensely meaningful and disturbingly personal concerns that Surma would be in a position to relate?
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Post by stclair on Aug 19, 2015 1:59:46 GMT
Jesus is in a league of his own. I don't think he has much to do with Gunnerkrigg Court. He was not called back but rather escaped. Might have been referring to Jesus calling back Lazarus. |
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 19, 2015 4:27:39 GMT
This is the creepiest explanation, so I'm pretty sure it's correct. I think we should name that Siddell's Razor: in eldritch fiction, the creepiest explanation is the most likely to be correct. I'm not contesting the general principle, but what Gunnerkrigg Court have to do with elves? |
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Post by gwydion on Aug 19, 2015 7:33:28 GMT
Jesus is in a league of his own. I don't think he has much to do with Gunnerkrigg Court. He was not called back but rather escaped. MIGHT AS WELL INSTALL A BLOODY REVOLVING DOOR - Death of Discworld, The Light Fantastic. |
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Post by legion on Aug 19, 2015 8:55:40 GMT
Hm... I dodged Sanskrit in school, so I didn't know that. Ooops. But I do remember in Hindi, the inherent vowel would be pronounced with an 'uh' sound, not exactly a long 'aah' sound. So if someone was going 'Ha ha ha' I think you would need the matra... Wouldn't you need the matra to spell Ram as well? Like so- राम Otherwise it reads 'Ruh'm'. I was actually going by Hindi, although admittedly it isn't my mother-tongue, Bengali is. I don't actually speak Sanskrit nor Hindi, I just have this theoretical knowledge about them, and of course you are right, "Rama" is spelt with a matra! Though it should also be noted that the inherent vowel of Hindi consonants, which matches English "uh", will most often match the "a" of other languages (in terms of sound). |
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Post by fish on Aug 20, 2015 14:46:38 GMT
The hand is fixed. (The hand is fixed.)
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Post by jombra on Aug 20, 2015 15:54:27 GMT
The hand is fixed. (The hand is fixed.) I read this whole topic thinking "there's nothing wrong with the hand. WHY ARE PEOPLE SAYING THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG. WHAT ARE PEOPLE SEEING" until I got to that screencap of the old page. |
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Post by Elysium on Aug 21, 2015 7:59:40 GMT
Tony is acting out of desperation and ignorance and likely had no idea what he was doing. Which makes him a terrible human being. |
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Post by legion on Aug 21, 2015 10:09:17 GMT
Tony is acting out of desperation and ignorance and likely had no idea what he was doing. Which makes him a terrible human being. Actually this makes him normal. Acting "out of desperation and ignorance" and "having no idea what one is doing" is the essentials of the human condition for most people. |
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Post by Elysium on Aug 21, 2015 10:37:35 GMT
Which makes him a terrible human being. Actually this makes him normal. Acting "out of desperation and ignorance" and "having no idea what one is doing" is the essentials of the human condition for most people. Of course. Being normal is perfectly compatible with being an incompetent idiot, but I wasn't calling him on his normalcy. |
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Post by pxc on Aug 21, 2015 13:30:19 GMT
Tony is acting out of desperation and ignorance and likely had no idea what he was doing. Which makes him a terrible human being. I don't disagree with that. I've been very critical of Tony. However I think intentions matter (they don't override actions or consequences but they matter) and don't think he is irredeemable. |
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Post by eyemyself on Aug 21, 2015 15:24:40 GMT
Which makes him a terrible human being. Actually this makes him normal. Acting "out of desperation and ignorance" and "having no idea what one is doing" is the essentials of the human condition for most people. Yep. Tony is as normal as it gets. Deeply flawed. Certain of what he believes. Fumbling to make sense of a world that has failed to behave in the way he expected. Dealing poorly with grief. His lack of self awareness and self criticism, however, make him dangerous to those around him, particularly to his daughter who must live with the uninformed, unilateral decisions he makes on her behalf as a result of his particular brand of personal flaws. Doesn't mean his malicious. Does mean he's a piss poor parent. Then again, being a piss poor parent is also very human. |
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Post by Per on Aug 21, 2015 16:03:36 GMT
Apropos nothing, "And it worked" would have been a good thread title.
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Post by Elysium on Aug 21, 2015 19:53:27 GMT
Does mean he's a piss poor parent. Actually, he's a pretty terrible parent, chasing his love in the afterlife instead of looking after the result of that love. |
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Post by eyemyself on Aug 21, 2015 19:59:24 GMT
Does mean he's a piss poor parent. Actually, he's a pretty terrible parent, chasing his love in the afterlife instead of looking after the result of that love. That is generally what piss poor means. |
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