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Post by Daedalus on Jul 31, 2015 17:39:56 GMT
I am honestly disappointed by the name of the new plot device. "Omega Device" just sounds like a generic doomsday weapon. Why not, I dunno, "The Jupiter Construct"? It'd fit in with the alchemical symbolism of the comic (Jupiter is representative of Tin), and wouldn't sound so... bland. Am I the only one who feels this way? You are not the only one who feels this way. My wildspec for what this "Omega Device" is that it is the Bone Lasers, but that's not its general purpose. Instead, it is a device created to suppress etheric powers altogether, which fits with the Court's disdain for etheric technology. It also would be very helpful as a weapon against the Forest if they ever returned to open conflict, giving them a pragmatic reason to construct it - it might even be able to harm Coyote, since he is a being entirely made of ether. It may be fueled by the ether collected by the stations as we saw early in the comic (which has been hinted to be significant), and I think that Tony just tried to field test it on his daughter to suppress her etheric side*. If the Seed Bismuth is still growing like a cancer (as some people have suggested) it could be used to suppress that as well. If my pet WildSpec is true (see userbar), it could also be used to control AngelKat if she does not follow the Court's wishes. *His motivations for doing so are, of course, in question. This page may imply that he intentionally got Surma pregnant to study the pregnancy of a fire elemental, or conversely that it wasn't intentional but he tried to save her once it happened. |
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Post by Trillium on Jul 31, 2015 17:52:51 GMT
Omega is probably code for the end of something. It can only either be a superweapon against the Wood or the "attempt to become god" Maybe something related to Pierre Teilhard de Chardin's ideas? That's intriguing, the Omaga device could have more to do with creating or transmuting rather than destruction. The Court has been experimenting with the etheric energy as seen in Ch:19-Power Station. It is possible that Tony had been studying how to utilize that energy. He may have tapped into that power during what ever he as doing in Ch:38-Divine. Zimmy messed that operation up big time. In Ch:49-The Torn Sea, Kat was operating in what might have been a quasi Omega Point. Zimmy was absolutely essential for that set of circumstances to be set up. Kat was certainly operating way above her normal abilities. Annie and friends put a halt to that experiment. The Court might not have been happy with that interference. Hopefully Monday will bring us more information. Annie is sure getting an ear full. |
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Post by Nnelg on Jul 31, 2015 17:54:58 GMT
Well, this explains everything. He didn't abandon Annie by choice, he was forbidden contact by the Court faction which supplied him with resources when he was trying to preserve Surma's life. Nothing he has said so far indicates this though it does raise the possibility. Fair enough. But I think you are making contrived excuses for Tony's behaviour. There have been several other posters who have tried to interpret his actions as "tough but fair" because they seem to be in love with the idea of this. I doubt that Tom will go down this route. Tough but fair is no more interesting than simple villain. I'm sure he is going to turn out more interesting than either. While I agree that whatever Tom decides to do, it will be interesting, I think you are misinterpreting the views of others. Every character is uninteresting if you reduce their characterization to a single phrase. I think that Antimony is "A Nice Girl" and Donald is "A Smart Guy", but by no means are those the only things I think they are. I can only assume that other people are similar to myself in that they do not always go to the effort to list every aspect of their interpretation, usually leaving out even more information than they state. Now I cannot read others' minds, but I can state my own viewpoint and suggest that those of others may be similar. Firstly, when it comes to "Tough but Fair"... While I would apply this term to some of Tony's actions, namely his decision to hold Antimony back a grade, it makes no more sense to me to apply the it to him in a general sense than it does to call Annie "Spiteful". While Antimony is capable of being spiteful, and has been so in the past, it is my no means a defining feature. Similarly, "Tough but Fair" is not a defining feature for Tony in my mind. For the most part I see Tony as a person, with a personality, a history, shortcomings, and past choices (several of which were mistakes). While many of these aspects were only inferred by backtracing the causation behind his actions, I personally prefer to assume the latter have reasons because I find it more interesting than "just because". I choose to see a man with issues communicating, with crippling grief for his dead wife, with prior commitment creating an estranged relationship with his daughter, but still holding on to the desire to do what he thinks is best for his child because I find it the most attractive model to explain his behavior. Am I biased? Perhaps. I know for a fact that I want to assume the best in other people. In fact that may be the reason I assume there are others who feel the same way. But biased or not, this is what I believe at the moment. I could go on, make a philosophical point about the complexity and 'interesting-ness' of a fictional character being entirely depending on such personal interpretation, but for now I've spent enough time here. For now I'll just state the possibility that characterization you may think is boring or cliché might have hidden depths in the minds of others. |
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Post by antiyonder on Jul 31, 2015 19:05:47 GMT
Firstly, when it comes to "Tough but Fair"... While I would apply this term to some of Tony's actions, namely his decision to hold Antimony back a grade, See, here's the problem with Tony defenders for the most part. Yes she deserves some punishment for her out of line behavior like cheating or shirking academic responsiblities, but there is such a thing as inappropriate distribution. Now holding her back for not earning her grade is fine, but...: 1. Doesn't explain his crack towards her make up early on. All he needs to say is "I have a strict policy against students wearing make up, and demand that you have yours washed off." It's like if a student is wearing something inappropriate in class, the teacher is in the right to call them out on it, but comments like "Your shirt makes you look like a tard" is actually unprofessional. 2. How is Annie's concern over his hand not her business? She's a family member showing legit concern over him. 3. Holding her back a grade is fair game, but having her live by herself? And even if she screwed up, that doesn't justify a parent choosing to be cold 100 percent of the time. Heck, Anthony by his own admission states that she did well on some subjects legitimately, and as such, some appreciation needs to be given. I mean surely, even the tough love approach can be overdone, right? So if a person's behavior is explainable, then they should be absolved of criticism and the consequences? Well Annie did have a reason for cheating. She was afraid of asking for help for the fear that her friends would think she's stupid. So, maybe she didn't really need to be punished. Cheating is wrong, but she had a reason. Ehh. I think if Annie fans can concede that her cheating is wrong, no matter the reason, then Anthony fans should be willing to do the same for him. Choosing to see the best in someone doesn't mean to excuse or overlook their factual problems. Not to mention, that I'm a firm believer that yes, kids and teens are capable of doing well in terms of study and behavior, thus their age shouldn't be an excuse for their shortcomings. As such, I think it's more than appropriate to hold an adult accountable for their own behavior since, they are well into the age of maturity. |
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Post by Garbage on Jul 31, 2015 20:02:29 GMT
Predicting that the story here is some variation of Tony's limited contact to Annie,a s well as his current treatment of her, is either A) Court-enforced, B) To keep as far separated from the Court's suspicions/surveillance as possible, or C) A mix/alternating of the two.
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Post by scottjm on Jul 31, 2015 20:21:32 GMT
Leaving off the topic of Tony's parenting skills.. "They had me out there..." Good Hope? "Their blasted Omega device..." The arrow that was used to make the sacrifice and keeps Jeanne trapped? "So the Court knew you were there the whole time?" The Court knew? Did that include any of Annie's teachers? Things a getting very interesting. Good Hope yeah, or somewhere else. He left Good Hope same time as Annie, didn't he? We have no clue where he was in the past 3 years. I don't think Omega is the arrow. Not sure if the current court researches the arrow at all, it's more Annie's little project. More likely related to Surma's pregnancy, or to capturing the aether, or both. What if the Omega device is something that the court is aware of, but does not actually possess, and are trying to locate and understand. Others are are of the arrow after all so there could be other effects they see and are trying to find the source of. I would find it amusing if they were looking for something that is right under their noses... |
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Post by antiyonder on Jul 31, 2015 20:28:41 GMT
Predicting that the story here is some variation of Tony's limited contact to Annie,a s well as his current treatment of her, is either A) Court-enforced, B) To keep as far separated from the Court's suspicions/surveillance as possible, or C) A mix/alternating of the two. I BELIEVE IN YOU STILL, TONY Still doesn't factor his behavior towards Annie. Even if it's a case where he's trying to act distant so that The Court will think he doesn't care about his daughter? Well, what if the Court turns out to be Genre Savvy in regard to that? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 22:43:15 GMT
I think it's weird that the forum seems so divided on this - Anthony is pretty clearly a terrible father. He may have reasons for being a terrible father but he is still a terrible father.
He could, for example have saved the world instead of being a good dad. That would not turn him into a good dad.
At the same time, his terrible fathering did have some good points, such as Annie Girl Adventurer and Rampant Cheater has basically not been learning anything for at least a year, which is probably not great assuming that she actually needs to know anything that they're learning at school. Did he handle it well? No, but also relative to what - the organization itself, the Court seems both negligent and at times even malicious and murderous, so it's hard to say that compared to the other adults in this world other than Kat's parents and That Guy, Tony is a particularly bad guy.
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Post by Nnelg on Jul 31, 2015 23:24:16 GMT
So if a person's behavior is explainable, then they should be absolved of criticism and the consequences? I never said this, nor anything remotely like this; nor did I intend to in any way imply it.
1. Doesn't explain his crack towards her make up early on. All he needs to say is "I have a strict policy against students wearing make up, and demand that you have yours washed off." It's like if a student is wearing something inappropriate in class, the teacher is in the right to call them out on it, but comments like "Your shirt makes you look like a tard" is actually unprofessional. I beg to differ: parental disappointment with Annie is sufficient explanation as to why Tony might act so unprofessionally in this instance. 2. How is Annie's concern over his hand not her business? She's a family member showing legit concern over him. I think Tony is attempting to shield her from the consequences of the mistakes he made that led to him losing his hand as much as possible. So instead of giving her a little bit of information that would make her curious, he's shutting down that line of inquiry as hard as possible. 3. Holding her back a grade is fair game, but having her live by herself? Partially a side effect of how the boarding system at the Court school works, but it also drives home the point that privileges can be lost as a consequence of seemingly unrelated actions. Additionally, there's less opportunity (and therefore temptation) to resume cheating if one has no roommate to cheat off of. And even if she screwed up, that doesn't justify a parent choosing to be cold 100 percent of the time. It has only been a few days in-comic, even if its been months real-time. Maintaining the cold shoulder for several days more is easily justified. Heck, Anthony by his own admission states that she did well on some subjects legitimately, and as such, some appreciation needs to be given. Any credit gained there is far overshadowed by shame. I mean surely, even the tough love approach can be overdone, right? Certainly, anything can be overdone, and it's arguable that Tony's overdoing it here. Donald at least seems to think so. |
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Post by antiyonder on Jul 31, 2015 23:54:01 GMT
1. Doesn't explain his crack towards her make up early on. All he needs to say is "I have a strict policy against students wearing make up, and demand that you have yours washed off." It's like if a student is wearing something inappropriate in class, the teacher is in the right to call them out on it, but comments like "Your shirt makes you look like a tard" is actually unprofessional. I beg to differ: parental disappointment with Annie is sufficient explanation as to why Tony might act so unprofessionally in this instance. It's an explanation, but not one that puts him in the right. And that's usually why as others mentioned that some parents try not to be teachers in the same class as their children. Could have accomplished the same thing by saying "I care not to discuss what happened to my hand". Makes him sound better. Perhaps, but I think near isolation (saying near as he at least lets her have company) is inappropriate retribution. At the very least, he should be staying with Annie in those quarters. Even then I'd question whether it's appropriate to be unloving. He doesn't need to shower her with love and praise, but at least give some indicator that he's glad to see her and that he actually loves her. And while a willingness to discipline is a good thing, I wouldn't take that as an indicator. Some parent do so because out of embarrassment caused by their kids. I'm not entirely against believing that Anthony loves Annie, mind you, but I wouldn't be it past him to be partially motivated by ego. Afterall, why else would Annie think that asking for help on her assignment is a sign of stupidity unless Tony planted that notion in her head (i.e. "anyone who is smart has no need for help"). |
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Post by youwiththeface on Aug 1, 2015 0:16:57 GMT
His actions since he returned can be easily explained by a genuine concern for Annie's well-being. It may seem harsh from the child's point of view, but sometimes one has to be strict to be a good parent. Nope. Even if Tony genuinely had good intentions (which is far from confirmed) anything that ends with Annie as she is, doing to herself what she is, isn't contributing to her well being. Nice to get something of a reveal, even though it opens up even more questions. Given the semi-recent story in "Totem" and Tony bringing up Surma (and associated pregnancy) in relation to what the Court provided for him with regards to his research, I'm leaning toward the Omega Device being something related to soul removal. !!!! The fairies! If what Coyote was suggesting was true, the court's already figured out how to remove the souls from fairies. In which case the bone laser shit would've just been an extension of the same technique or technology. And we already might've seen something similar inherent in Jeanne's situation. I am honestly disappointed by the name of the new plot device. "Omega Device" just sounds like a generic doomsday weapon. Why not, I dunno, "The Jupiter Construct"? It'd fit in with the alchemical symbolism of the comic (Jupiter is representative of Tin), and wouldn't sound so... bland. Am I the only one who feels this way? Zeta...Gamma...it fits. And also.....does it hint that those two are a creation of the court? Or if not Gamma, than at least Zeta? |
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Post by Nnelg on Aug 1, 2015 0:33:50 GMT
It's an explanation, but not one that puts him in the right. I never said it did. Could have accomplished the same thing by saying "I care not to discuss what happened to my hand". Makes him sound better. Perhaps. But I don't think Tony was worried about what the (nonexistent in-universe) audience thought. Perhaps, but I think near isolation (saying near as he at least lets her have company) is disappropriate retribution. Perhaps Tony is of a different opinion. (I know I am.) At the very least, he should be staying with Annie in those quarters. That's not how boarding schools work, though. Not even Kat lives with her parents. Even then I'd question whether it's appropriate to be unloving. He doesn't need to shower her with love and praise, but at least give some indicator that he's glad to see her and that he actually loves her. If that is your belief, you're entitled to it. I'm not entirely against believing that Anthony loves Annie, mind you, but I wouldn't be it past him to be partially motivated by ego. I never said he wasn't. Afterall, why else would Annie think that asking for help on her assignment is a sign of stupidity unless Tony planted that notion in her head (i.e. "anyone who is smart has no need for help"). You make a good point, and perhaps he is. His actions since he returned can be easily explained by a genuine concern for Annie's well-being. It may seem harsh from the child's point of view, but sometimes one has to be strict to be a good parent. Nope. Even if Tony genuinely had good intentions (which is far from confirmed) anything that ends with Annie as she is, doing to herself what she is, isn't contributing to her well being. Tony doesn't know about that, though. Mistakes are still made with even the best of intentions. |
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Post by todd on Aug 1, 2015 0:35:13 GMT
. It's the Court's "end-game" - the completion of their attempt to become god. I don't think that the Court is literally trying to become God - at least, not from its own perspective. Remember that that description came from Coyote, who is biased - and trying to lead Annie to a certain way of thinking. But I do think that the Court's actions could be considered an attempt to become God, without it realizing it. One of its major activities is experimenting with the ether. Jones has pointed out the trouble that could result from it - that they could bring the horrors of humanity's imagination to life. From what we've learned about the ether already, tampering with it could affect the world on a potentially large scale - in which case, the Court would be assuming a seemingly godlike power over the world. But I doubt it realizes it, even though Jones does, and Coyote probably does as well. I think that the Court may be simply unaware of the likely consequences of their experiments. |
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 1, 2015 0:40:46 GMT
So Not a fan of the Court. looks like Anthony doesn't trust the Court or even care much for them (speculation?). Looks like Anthony is massively double-dealing. Turns out, the Great Secret of his whereabouts was a great secret for his old pal, but not his bosses whom he almost openly distrusts. It also looks like this came as a tiny little bit of surprise for good ol' Donald. Quoth Mamma Gkika's comment on a similar discovery, " Hmmm... Vell, how 'bout dot." The worst part here is Tony's uncanny resemblance to the sort of a natural-born stalking horse who thinks he outsmarted and played everyone, while being unable to predict even the most basic reactions of people (I'm not sure Kat didn't already give a bunch of robots a long page of conditions and exclusions ending in "then immediately kill Anthony Carver" - however nice and helpful she may be in normal circumstances, it would be reasonable given what she knows - and what she doesn't) and notice that in reality it's the dog who wags the tail, not vice versa. In light of his last revelations, this does not bode well for himself or anyone else involved. I like to imagine that, due to Annie's presence, Donald's chair is slowly becoming more and more uncomfortably hot to sit on. More due to his knowledge of her presence, methinks. But yeah, Donald looks like not only he's going to unload some bricks soon, but they may come out fully glazed. While most likely Tony means he misused that equipment for his personal quest, it doesn't sound this way... and what's worse now - to dive into this matter or to dodge it? Especially because after this little revelation Donald isn't sure of anything about Tony anymore. Whether "evil-in-a-can" or a Precursor device The mystery is solved! It's the Ultron!  Look at that. Tony's finally talking. But we won't know what he's going to say until next week. Does Mr. Siddell give correspondence courses in cliffhangers? Maybe he wanted to publish the book of examples before the textbook?  |
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Post by antiyonder on Aug 1, 2015 0:43:54 GMT
Even then I'd question whether it's appropriate to be unloving. He doesn't need to shower her with love and praise, but at least give some indicator that he's glad to see her and that he actually loves her. If that is your belief, you're entitled to it. Fair enough I suppose. If I may ask. What would Tony have to do in order for his tough love approach to be definitively going too far, aside from flat out abuse (mentally and verbally of course)? I mean I get that tough love is necessary, and I think there's room for more affectionate parents to be implementing when appropriate. It's just that it would be nice to have an idea of when a parent overdoes it. |
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Post by Nnelg on Aug 1, 2015 0:56:38 GMT
If that is your belief, you're entitled to it. Fair enough I suppose. If I may ask. What would Tony have to do in order for his tough love approach to be definitively going too far, aside from flat out abuse (mentally and verbally of course)? I mean I get that tough love is necessary, and I think there's room for more affectionate parents to be implementing when appropriate. It's just that it would be nice to have an idea of when a parent overdoes it. I'm not sure myself, honestly, and it's probably very situational. In this case, I'd say we'd have to check back in a week to reassess. |
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Post by antiyonder on Aug 1, 2015 1:06:04 GMT
Nope. Even if Tony genuinely had good intentions (which is far from confirmed) anything that ends with Annie as she is, doing to herself what she is, isn't contributing to her well being. I'm ultimately expecting something in that area to be honest. Whether it makes him likable enough is a different story, but I feel that Tom generally wants us dislike/hate Anthony and feel a lot of anger towards him. And if the reason for his behavior is solely selfishness, then what's the point in not revealing it sooner? Revealing said reason would only help to prompt said response from us. Hence, I think it's something that in the vein of misguided attempt to help her, but the reason is withheld because Tom wants to see how much he can prompt an angry response to Tony. I'm not sure myself, honestly, and it's probably very situational. In this case, I'd say we'd have to check back in a week to reassess. Of course, but if it helps, are there any parents in fiction you could point out to who exercised the tough love approached and without getting into abuse territory struck you as in the wrong. |
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Post by Nnelg on Aug 1, 2015 1:24:01 GMT
I'm not sure myself, honestly, and it's probably very situational. In this case, I'd say we'd have to check back in a week to reassess. Of course, but if it helps, are there any parents in fiction you could point out to who exercised the tough love approached and without getting into abuse territory struck you as in the wrong. I'm afraid I don't read that kind of fiction.  Edit: Actually, I thought of one: [ Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker] |
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Post by youwiththeface on Aug 1, 2015 1:30:17 GMT
Of course, but if it helps, are there any parents in fiction you could point out to who exercised the tough love approached and without getting into abuse territory struck you as in the wrong. I'm afraid I don't read that kind of fiction.  ?? |
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Post by Nnelg on Aug 1, 2015 3:24:06 GMT
I'm afraid I don't read that kind of fiction. ?? I mean to say that I don't read very much fiction of the type in which such scenarios can arise. (And therefore, I don't have an example.) |
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Post by youwiththeface on Aug 1, 2015 3:50:07 GMT
?? I mean to say that I don't read very much fiction of the type in which such scenarios can arise. (And therefore, I don't have an example.)T There isn't really a 'type' where that stuff can show up, it can show up anywhere. It very well might have turned up in this stuff, and would you classify Gunnerkrigg as that 'type'? |
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Post by gunnerwf on Aug 1, 2015 5:37:48 GMT
Of course, but if it helps, are there any parents in fiction you could point out to who exercised the tough love approached and without getting into abuse territory struck you as in the wrong. I'm afraid I don't read that kind of fiction. Edit: Actually, I thought of one: [ Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker] cutting someone's hand off wouldn't be considered tough love |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Aug 1, 2015 6:17:20 GMT
Heh. I remember seeing a Princess Bride/Star Wars mashup.
"I am not left handed."
"Now you are." *chop*
He was just teaching him to be ambidextrous! /silliness
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Post by aline on Aug 1, 2015 6:55:30 GMT
Tony obviously wasn't forbidden to talk to his daughter, it was the Court who tracked Annie for him and transfered the call to Jones' phone in Microsat 5. I'm pretty sure that Tony's handlers from the Court (or whomever he reported to therein) weren't aware of the call. The call seems likely to have been facilitated by external professional contacts of Tony and/or factions within the Court opposed to the one Tony has been working for. Even if that were the case his bosses must have known about it within the hour, given their level of surveillance on their own people, so it can't be an act of earth shattering consequences. Even so, Donald told Annie that Tony had plenty of ways to contact him. Passing a message to his daughter at least once (an actual message directed to her) was a possibility and he discarded it. The "security concerns" will have to be pretty huge and specific to justify that. Yeah, I remember, *he* wanted to hear her voice. How very tragic. But then again he could have stopped watching his own belly button and wonder about her emotional needs instead of his. And why not warn his girl that he was going to be busy for a while before disappearing for years? There was no need to get into detail, but that would have prevented her from spending a whole summer waiting for him. Perhaps he didn't know he'd be forbidden from contacting her at all until it was too late. Or maybe whatever he was doing was dangerous, and didn't want Annie to worry for his safety (people make this mistake a lot it seems). Perhaps Surma's recent death had hit him so hard he simply didn't want to deal with Annie for a while, or anything at all outside work. He may even have considered suicide at one point, and thought a missing father better than a dead one.[/quote] Seriously, the girl spent years not even knowing if he was dead or alive. Any warning that he was going to be away would have been LESS worrying than that. |
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Post by Nnelg on Aug 1, 2015 6:56:06 GMT
There isn't really a 'type' where that stuff can show up, it can show up anywhere. Let me restate once more: In the majority of fiction I consume, either the parents of major characters don't really enter the picture or the tone is too lighthearted for such a serious development. cutting someone's hand off wouldn't be considered tough love Vader only wanted for Luke to rule the galaxy with him as father and son.  |
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Post by aline on Aug 1, 2015 7:12:11 GMT
Tony obviously wasn't forbidden to talk to his daughter, it was the Court who tracked Annie for him and transfered the call to Jones' phone in Microsat 5. I'm pretty sure that Tony's handlers from the Court (or whomever he reported to therein) weren't aware of the call. The call seems likely to have been facilitated by external professional contacts of Tony and/or factions within the Court opposed to the one Tony has been working for. We have absolutely no indication of that. Even if that is the case, Donald made it clear that Tony had other, more discreet means to contact him. Just like Annie passed a message to Donald, Donald could pass a message to Annie. It wasn't impossible, he decided not to do it. He's going to have to come up with a pretty good and specific reason for me to accept that as reasonable. I remember that quote well, and it just serves to tell us that Tony was more concerned about stasfying his own emotional needs (hearing his daughter's voice) than hers. In fact none of his actions so far seem to aknwoledge that Annie has emotional needs of any kind. And why not warn his girl that he was going to be busy for a while before disappearing for years? There was no need to get into detail, but that would have prevented her from spending a whole summer waiting for him. Perhaps he didn't know he'd be forbidden from contacting her at all until it was too late. Or maybe whatever he was doing was dangerous, and didn't want Annie to worry for his safety (people make this mistake a lot it seems). Perhaps Surma's recent death had hit him so hard he simply didn't want to deal with Annie for a while, or anything at all outside work. He may even have considered suicide at one point, and thought a missing father better than a dead one. - He wasn't unable to contact her. He even had several ways to contact her through Donald and chose not to. - Seriously? For years she didn't even know if he was dead or alive, and you believe any warning that he was going to be away could have worried her *more*? There was no need for him to alude to danger - Even if Surma's death hit him hard, that is no excuse for not dealing with his daughter. When you're a parent you have duties to your kid. You're not allowed to behave like a 15 years old emo goth even if you feel like it. |
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Post by Nnelg on Aug 1, 2015 7:14:37 GMT
Even if that were the case his bosses must have known about it within the hour, given their level of surveillance on their own people, so it can't be an act of earth shattering consequences. There's no evidence of that, so you're rejecting the possibility that it was out of hand. Even so, Donald told Annie that Tony had plenty of ways to contact him. Those ways may be mutually exclusive, however. If Tony had only one opportunity to leave a plain briefcase by a bench in the park, only Agent A or Inspector B could pick it up, not both. The "security concerns" will have to be pretty huge and specific to justify that. With a name like "Omega Device", being 'disappeared' (aka silently removed from existence) seems a rather plausible concern. Yeah, I remember, *he* wanted to hear her voice. How very tragic. But then again he could have stopped watching his own belly button and wonder about her emotional needs instead of his. Or maybe it was so that she could hear his voice, and not one day went by when he didn't worry about how Antimony was faring in his absence.
- Even if Surma's death hit him hard, that is no excuse for not dealing with his daughter. When you're a parent you have duties to your kid. You're not allowed to behave like a 15 years old emo goth even if you feel like it. Once again, I've never said Tony hasn't failed in his duties as a parent. Only that he has been attempting to fulfill said duties, while still being hampered by his fallible human nature. |
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Post by aline on Aug 1, 2015 7:45:36 GMT
Even if that were the case his bosses must have known about it within the hour, given their level of surveillance on their own people, so it can't be an act of earth shattering consequences. There's no evidence of that, so you're rejecting the possibility that it was out of hand. It might have been out of hand, but I consider the probability to be quite low, given how openly he contacted her (a phone call in the middle of school, my, how discreet). That justification, while not outside the realm of possibilities, is really very stretched. So giving a cryptic coded message is ok, but if he took five seconds more to add "and by the way, hope you're well" his boss would surely" have disappeared" him. It has got to be the reason. Especially since now she's in front of him, and we can clearly see all the hugging and words of affection he's refrained for years because of that gun pointed to his head. Hum. I'm not commenting how he felt, I'm commenting how he made his daughter feel. His mode of communication with her is on 100% efficient mode: purely functional, no bonding. He had nicer words for Mrs. Donlan than for Annie despite not even shaking her hand. [/quote]Oh, I'm sure on some level he's convinced he's done the right thing. Who doesn't? |
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Post by Freedomfiend on Aug 1, 2015 7:46:32 GMT
Tony might be put in a position of redeemability if it's clear that he was just trying to save both Surma and Annie, displays suitable rage or despair that he wasn't, that the reason he is so cold to his daughter is because she reminds him of her mother, and that if he even shows a crack of emotion, he'll break down into an inconsolable mess, and that the reason he's being so tough on her is because he's developed a deep phobia of something bad happening to her. This in itself isn't enough to redeem him, but it will show that he at least has a heart and that it's in the right place.
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Post by justcurious on Aug 1, 2015 9:27:43 GMT
We don't know yet how much Tony knows about who caused his injuries. we aren't sure that he knows that it was intentional not an accident. He may blame Annie for his injuries. In fact I suspect that he blames her at least for the situation, that is, if not for her he would not have to have been taking the risks that he took.
But he does blame himself for getting into that situation. He may even recognize that whoever maimed him saw him as a threat to Annie and that that was his fault.
So his treatment of her in the class might have been motivated by his injuries. We'll know soon.
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