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Post by dinmaker on Jul 8, 2015 13:11:56 GMT
I think the Elemental is aware of what Anthony was doing to it (Until Zimmy saved it by punching the dude in the face). Could be it's harbouring anger against him for that?
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Post by ctso74 on Jul 8, 2015 13:27:52 GMT
I don't know if it has anything to do with today's comic, but I wonder if a photograph has any Etheric qualities. As the saying goes, you don't take a photograph, you make it.
Perhaps, Tony's currently feeling a little hot.
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Post by youwiththeface on Jul 8, 2015 14:44:33 GMT
Hopefully this finally convinces people that this is a bad change for Annie. (And for everyone else in the Court blast radius if they've made a new Jeanne.) It's been a little irksome that every new development has a (decreasing) chorus of people saying "This is probably a good thing for Annie!" then the next day "Well, it wasn't a good thing, but this next thing probably is!" I feel the exact same way. God, speaking of Jeanne, what if Annie's elemental spirit was removed using similar technology? Whether Jeanne had a similar spirit inside of her or not, like the fire in our fire head girl her soul was also bound to a specific place. And what would Annie think upon learning that her father used the very same methods employed to trap Jeanne to first try and then succeed in separating her from her elemental spirit? |
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Post by jda on Jul 8, 2015 14:58:47 GMT
I prophecize that in this chapter we will.learn about the secret powers of the green arrow on the Annan Waters. Serms like FireAnnie was subjected to the same Etheric magic...
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Post by TBeholder on Jul 8, 2015 15:56:11 GMT
Okay in all seriousness, I can't be the only one here who sees the spirit entering the photo, can I? It seems to be physically getting drawn into it in the last panel. Or wrap around it. Is the fire elemental actually her though? I mean, it contains her life force, yes, but it's also many generations older than she is Why do you assume it is so? This...could easily lead to a meandering philosophical discussion about what constitutes a person/an independent "self". I, uh...apologize in advance. Come on, this would be a welcome change from "hurr durr ANTHONY COMMANDS A SQUADRON OF LASOR HEAD PIGEONS!!1" spammed over and over whether it's in any way related to the current page or not. Could we call this apparition 'Anniemental'? I, also, like Planescape. But let's not.  Another hypothesis: the cut is preventing the elemental from 'glassing' the room. What if it manages to 'bridge the gap'? Well, yes, containment probably is set up to work both ways... anyway, from the previous pages, the rest of Annie seems to care about maintainance enough to come in and "sync" when she's going elsewhere. She may be planning to reconnect more often until she can handle this constantly. |
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Post by eyemyself on Jul 8, 2015 15:56:42 GMT
That is some white hot rage directed at a very specific target. I think we have a new Chekhov's Gun with a very clrear bead set on Anthony Carver. Can't wait to see what other developments come out of this chapter!
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Post by nero on Jul 8, 2015 16:38:56 GMT
So if the fire elemental burns the picture or hides itself in the picture Annie will be caught off guard. Maybe someone will notice that something's up with her.
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Post by sherni on Jul 8, 2015 16:53:40 GMT
I think she's a bit angry, you guys. That face on the fourth panel is uncannily similar to Jeanne, as so many people have pointed out. I'm seriously beginning to believe my earlier speculation of Jeanne being an Elemental of a sort herself, and her [insert Element here] was separated by whatever was in the arrow and trapped below the bridge. According to Mr Siddell, she might have had a bit of a temper as well. That and having her lover murdered in front of her was probably what brought about her state of permanent rage. Fire-Everything Annie is likely in a similar condition at the moment, with most of her hate directed towards Anthony. My guess is that the only thing keeping her from flaming the entire Court is the presence of her other half- the 'remnant'- of her spirit that inhabits her body. There is something left, as something remained of Surma that Annie took into the Ether. This really, really isn't a good situation for anyone involved. That said, I have to hand it to the Court (and Anthony). One Jeanne wasn't enough for you guys, was it? Now you've basically made another one, and she's inside your house! Also, the fourth panel scares me. Teenage girls should not have that kind of nightmare-face. What kind of face is that, Annie? |
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Post by eyemyself on Jul 8, 2015 17:20:48 GMT
Also, the fourth panel scares me. Teenage girls should not have that kind of nightmare-face. What kind of face is that, Annie? Why yes, it most certainly is. I don't know, I'm pretty sure there were moments when I was a teenage girl that I displayed rage face to rival Annie's when life got highly highly upsetting. (Like it does when you are first trying to learn how to adult.) Teenagers can be pretty volatile under normal circumstances, and Annie has been under extraordinary degrees of stress for the last couple of chapters. |
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Post by davidm on Jul 8, 2015 17:56:28 GMT
Star Trek (the original series) - The Enemy within - "A transporter malfunction splits Captain Kirk into two people – one good and one evil, and neither capable of functioning well separately." - memory alpha wiki
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Post by youwiththeface on Jul 8, 2015 19:02:25 GMT
A thought occurs. Before Annie left she appeared to sort of...will the elemental up into a corner of the ceiling. When she came home from dinner with the Donlans she said "You can come down now!" Which makes me think....oh. Annie thinks that when she leaves her elemental alone in that room it just hangs out on the ceiling all day, and doesn't shoot down, spend all its time trying to burn things down and then just hurries back up there before she gets back. She thinks that thing is under her (and maybe her dad's) complete control but it's NOT. Even if it apparently can't affect anything physical (yet) it is totally not okay with things the way they are, and Annie might not have any way of knowing that.
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Post by basser on Jul 8, 2015 19:25:52 GMT
Aw, geez. This whole scenario is just getting more and more uncomfortably familiar by the page. I suppose at the very least if all the rage and petulance being repressed by one's drug use is held in a nice giant white room you at least don't have to deal with having it bottled up inside you where it attacks your sanity instead.
One time a few years ago, when I was still working at the lead mine and thus under an absurd amount of stress every day, I started to hear voices. I was on a lot of speed at the time so I wasn't necessarily all that alarmed by this - hallucinations are a part of amphetamine psychosis, whatever, don't acknowledge them and they'll go away. But the problem was that the disembodied voices weren't just random apparitions, they were various parts of my own psyche. The loudest of which by far was the angry bastard who wanted me to quit my job and go cold turkey and leave my partner and just buy a one-way plane ticket and disappear. And while normally I can suppress those kinds of thoughts well enough, just distract myself with something else, turned out I wasn't able to ignore a literal voice of dissent constantly shouting in my ear. Eventually all I could do was start screaming back about how none of that was feasible and how people were depending on us and we couldn't destroy our whole life just because we felt trapped and angry. We had to behave like an adult not a spoiled toddler. Luckily I was on night shift at the time and so none of my coworkers ever noticed my acting patently insane.
At some point I negotiated myself into taking less medication and decided I'd have to simply learn how to cope with certain aspects of the situation without drugs. Namely the 'feeling trapped and angry' bit, which clearly was a much bigger deal than I'd been willing to admit. In the end I did actually quit my job and got a one-way plane ticket out of Alaska. But I did it in cooperation with my partner and after securing a job/apartment in the new location. I did what the voice wanted me to, but in a more adult way.
Soooo maybe Annie will do what the Fire wants, namely take Tony the hell out of the picture, but in a more mature and less burn-everything-to-the-ground way? Which I hope will entail finding out what the hell he's been doing all this time because I still find his story much more interesting and engaging than Annie's. Possibly because I've already lived through what seems to be Annie's current story and am not particularly keen on watching it happen to someone else? I dunno. Tony's cool though and I want to know more about him.
This has been the the second installment of "sharing personal stories with perfect strangers on the internet for no reason beyond it being vaguely related to the storyline" thanks for tuning in.
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Post by Trillium on Jul 8, 2015 19:29:13 GMT
We have had four pages of dramatic Flame Element drawings, eighteen panels of MS Fire with some clues but no facts. How about some exposition Tom? We are all waiting in anticipation for answers.
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Post by TBeholder on Jul 8, 2015 19:39:41 GMT
So if the fire elemental burns the picture or hides itself in the picture Annie will be caught off guard. Maybe someone will notice that something's up with her. Why do you think she doesn't try to hug it instead?  |
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Post by machival on Jul 8, 2015 21:28:09 GMT
Also, the fourth panel scares me. Teenage girls should not have that kind of nightmare-face. What kind of face is that, Annie? Why yes, it most certainly is. I don't know, I'm pretty sure there were moments when I was a teenage girl that I displayed rage face to rival Annie's when life got highly highly upsetting. (Like it does when you are first trying to learn how to adult.) Teenagers can be pretty volatile under normal circumstances, and Annie has been under extraordinary degrees of stress for the last couple of chapters. Ah, but I bet your facial expressions didn't consist entirely of squinting your eyes until your face scrunched in on itself. |
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Post by Per on Jul 8, 2015 22:05:34 GMT
eighteen panels of MS Fire MS Fire Adventures sounds like a legitimate side comic. |
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Post by arf on Jul 8, 2015 23:09:15 GMT
That's what this page's last panel reminded me of. I was bothered by a sense of déjà vu. You should consider modifying your avatar a little more to give it the 'not cut, just cut off' look. |
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Post by todd on Jul 9, 2015 0:09:22 GMT
Hopefully this finally convinces people that this is a bad change for Annie. (And for everyone else in the Court blast radius if they've made a new Jeanne.) It's been a little irksome that every new development has a (decreasing) chorus of people saying "This is probably a good thing for Annie!" then the next day "Well, it wasn't a good thing, but this next thing probably is!" Most of it seems to have stemmed from the fact that Annie had been cheating, and that any responsible school (or parent, in Anthony's case) would have to handle that - but if the attempted solution leads to an angry fire elemental on the loose (for now, it's contained - but how long will that last?), I'd call it a case of the remedy being worse than the disease. (Of course, Anthony probably couldn't have predicted the consequences - especially if, as some readers have suggested, the separation of Annie and the fire elemental was all Annie's work.) Let's hope that the fire elemental remains confined to that room until someone finds a better solution for that problem. |
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Post by eyemyself on Jul 9, 2015 0:31:29 GMT
Is that some kind of face, Carver?Why yes, it most certainly is. I don't know, I'm pretty sure there were moments when I was a teenage girl that I displayed rage face to rival Annie's when life got highly highly upsetting. (Like it does when you are first trying to learn how to adult.) Teenagers can be pretty volatile under normal circumstances, and Annie has been under extraordinary degrees of stress for the last couple of chapters. Ah, but I bet your facial expressions didn't consist entirely of squinting your eyes until your face scrunched in on itself. I wouldn't be so sure. I was pretty angsty as a teen and prone to getting myself in situations that led to being hurt. |
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Post by Daedalus on Jul 9, 2015 3:54:32 GMT
That's what this page's last panel reminded me of. I was bothered by a sense of déjà vu. You should consider modifying your avatar a little more to give it the 'not cut, just cut off' look. I probably should...but that might take time... I'm hoping I can go back to the original when Annie gets her hair back, which one hopes will be soon. |
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Post by Corvo on Jul 9, 2015 4:28:57 GMT
This was probably discussed already at some point, but are we looking in the ether here? The objects usually don't have any color when in the ether...
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Post by hajino on Jul 9, 2015 4:58:14 GMT
Is the fire elemental actually her though? I mean, it contains her life force, yes, but it's also many generations older than she is, and currently in a position to think and act on its own. Who's to say it doesn't remember all of its past lives as Annie's mother, grandmother, great-grandmother, etc? Things Annie herself doesn't remember one bit. Maybe the fire elemental hates Anthony because it's hated him for a long time, and Annie's decision to cut off her hair was to prevent those alien feelings from infecting her in Anthony's presence. Especially given his conduct. This...could easily lead to a meandering philosophical discussion about what constitutes a person/an independent "self". I, uh...apologize in advance. Eh, hence saying "what seems". We just don't know at this point. But consider that during Divine, Annie had "no fight in her", and this was while the Fire was incapacitated. Who could say what a Zimmytrip into Annie's mind would have been like if whatever influence was there during that sequence was absent. It may not be her persay, but I think it definitely has a LOT to do with her more outgoing emotions. I'd say, it is not a seperate part of her. In Divine Zimmy got through to a lot of layers of Annie, she came upon on the fire elemental form with the bone fingers and called it "Carver". Maybe she was talking to Annie and the room in general, but I thought she adressed it directly. And I trust Zimmys impressions the most in this big angry mess I thought of the fire elemental more like a life source that is given away from mother to child, but if it carries the memories of each... Actually what about male fire elementals? Do we know anything about them? How do they die, since they are not giving birth to the next generation? Are there any males? Or did Surma only die, because her fire elemental had generations of human DNA thinning the elemental heritage out to a too small flicker to support both mother and child? |
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Post by Daedalus on Jul 9, 2015 11:16:49 GMT
I'd say, it is not a seperate part of her. In Divine Zimmy got through to a lot of layers of Annie, she came upon on the fire elemental form with the bone fingers and called it "Carver". To me, they're absolutely the same individual, albeit different aspects of her personality. To me, it seems like the elemental is the pure and disembodied avatar of all of the rage Annie's been suppressing all of her life, which is an integral part of her psyche. Seeing the two separated - the body without emotions and the elemental without intellect - is just so wrong that it makes my skin crawl. I anticipate bad things ahead. Hopefully this finally convinces people that this is a bad change for Annie. (And for everyone else in the Court blast radius if they've made a new Jeanne.) It's been a little irksome that every new development has a (decreasing) chorus of people saying "This is probably a good thing for Annie!" then the next day "Well, it wasn't a good thing, but this next thing probably is!" God, speaking of Jeanne, what if Annie's elemental spirit was removed using similar technology? Whether Jeanne had a similar spirit inside of her or not, like the fire in our fire head girl her soul was also bound to a specific place. And what would Annie think upon learning that her father used the very same methods employed to trap Jeanne to first try and then succeed in separating her from her elemental spirit? Personally, I hadn't considered Jeanne to be some kind of light elemental, but instead that the facial slashes are how Tom represents 'personified rage'. In that case, Fire Girl and Jeanne are similar entities, even if they weren't created in the same way. But if Annie did use Coyote's tooth to cause a similar effect to what the Green Arrow did to Jeanne, she's almost like a Forest-aligned copy of Jeanne. I wonder if this was Coyote's plan on giving her His tooth all along: to create a champion to contend with the powerful Court entity in the ravine, since He is bound by His word to not interfere directly. We know he's used a similar tactic before with Rey: empower him, then set him loose against the Court for shits and giggles. |
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Post by speedwell on Jul 9, 2015 14:11:22 GMT
That face on the fourth panel is uncannily similar to Jeanne, as so many people have pointed out. I'm seriously beginning to believe my earlier speculation of Jeanne being an Elemental of a sort herself, and her [insert Element here] was separated by whatever was in the arrow and trapped below the bridge. According to Mr Siddell, she might have had a bit of a temper as well.Air elemental. The suit of Swords in the Tarot signifies the element of Air. Jeanne's (etheric?) appearance is as an air spirit with airy, white, flowing robes. In the Tarot depiction of the Queen of Swords, the sword, if present, is nearly always raised. In the depiction of Jeanne in the painting in the shrine, the sword is reversed. Queen of Swords reversed traditionally means an emotionally disappointed, bitter, resentful woman with no compassion for others, who isolates herself, and who tends to let emotions, particularly in relationships, cloud her judgment. |
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Post by Daedalus on Jul 9, 2015 14:56:39 GMT
That face on the fourth panel is uncannily similar to Jeanne, as so many people have pointed out. I'm seriously beginning to believe my earlier speculation of Jeanne being an Elemental of a sort herself, and her [insert Element here] was separated by whatever was in the arrow and trapped below the bridge. According to Mr Siddell, she might have had a bit of a temper as well.Air elemental. The suit of Swords in the Tarot signifies the element of Air. Jeanne's (etheric?) appearance is as an air spirit with airy, white, flowing robes. In the Tarot depiction of the Queen of Swords, the sword, if present, is nearly always raised. In the depiction of Jeanne in the painting in the shrine, the sword is reversed. Queen of Swords reversed traditionally means an emotionally disappointed, bitter, resentful woman with no compassion for others, who isolates herself, and who tends to let emotions, particularly in relationships, cloud her judgment. And as we've discussed before, Jones is the Earth Elemental and the floating octopus is the Water Elemental to complete the set  |
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Post by Sky Schemer on Jul 9, 2015 15:32:39 GMT
Whay does she/it HATE PHOTOS?
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Post by goldenknots on Jul 9, 2015 15:40:43 GMT
Whay does she/it HATE PHOTOS? Well, that particular photo, at any rate. |
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Post by Sadie on Jul 9, 2015 16:01:08 GMT
Whay does she/it HATE PHOTOS? Well, that particular photo, at any rate. And probably just that guy in that particular photo. |
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Post by TBeholder on Jul 9, 2015 21:01:46 GMT
This was probably discussed already at some point, but are we looking in the ether here? The objects usually don't have any color when in the ether... Well... uh... swooped. But this depends on the viewer. Annie while projecting herself via blinker have seen most things greyed out, but e.g. Zimmy doesn't (while seeing Annie's cut and Kat the Robot Goddess). I won't be surprised if fairies see the overlays normally. Whay does she/it HATE PHOTOS? Maybe she likes it? This entity doesn't look like an embodiment of self-control, nor thus far gave a reason to suspect complex mental processes. So why not simply - "Arrrgh! swish-swish-swish-... wha? OHMIGOSHSOADORABLE! With-big-eyes-like-a-kitten! SQUEEE! <deforms>" |
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Post by Daedalus on Jul 9, 2015 21:28:14 GMT
Annie while projecting herself via blinker have seen most things greyed out, but e.g. Zimmy doesn't (while seeing Annie's cut and Kat the Robot Goddess). It is confirmed that what Zimmy sees is not in fact the ether, so it makes sense that it is visualized differently. The general pattern for Annie and the ether seems to be that the non-sentient things in her vicinity are uncolored when in the Court, and colored when she's in the Forest. Which of course raises fascinating questions of its own... |
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