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Post by AnUpliftedCuttlefish on Apr 10, 2015 11:04:01 GMT
This is what humans do to other humans when they want to change them but they don't have Coyote's memory eating power. That's well said. Poor Annie & Ysengrin. |
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Post by antiyonder on Apr 10, 2015 11:11:20 GMT
Just because you disagree with his opinions doesn't mean he's a troll. He brought up perfectly valid points and is right about fans getting a bit heated over some odd things. Being able to see things from a different point of view is fundamental in debating-it opens up your views to info you may not have analyzed and gives you the chance to think about it more. Yeah the only problem I see with him is overlooking the fact that the Anthony criticism is based partially from his absence as a father* and attributing it solely to his actions as a teacher. *And again, I don't see Annie being sent to the Court as desertion. Just the fact that he didn't provide her with any people she could contact for personal matters or that he's only involved when she's a discipline problem or in possible danger. |
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Post by csj on Apr 10, 2015 11:16:08 GMT
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Post by snipertom on Apr 10, 2015 11:19:45 GMT
Just because you disagree with his opinions doesn't mean he's a troll. He brought up perfectly valid points and is right about fans getting a bit heated over some odd things. Being able to see things from a different point of view is fundamental in debating-it opens up your views to info you may not have analyzed and gives you the chance to think about it more. Yeah the only problem I see with him is overlooking the fact that the Anthony criticism is based partially from his absence as a father* and attributing it solely to his actions as a teacher. *And again, I don't see Annie being sent to the Court as desertion. Just the fact that he didn't provide her with any people she could contact for personal matters or that he's only involved when she's a discipline problem or in possible danger. I don't think it's trolling. I think it's a lack of understanding of what emotional abuse or emotional neglect is. Which is common. A lot of people (thankfully a minority!) in the community don't even think such a thing exists. Which is frightening. |
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Post by antiyonder on Apr 10, 2015 11:20:55 GMT
"Oh, the hair thing? Not to worry, Kat, I've just got this big dial in back that winds it in and back out." === Gosh, this must be that Debil Tony's work, because no girl ever in history cut her hair in response to an emotional crisis. Anthony may have ordered it, which I admit will make me hate him just a little. That does seem extreme, and unrelated to the reason why he did everything else. It's arbitrary and demeaning. But I'm neither going to condemn nor defend him, or Annie, for that matter, until I know who made the decision here. Sounds fair to me. |
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Post by AnUpliftedCuttlefish on Apr 10, 2015 11:23:31 GMT
Okay, I'm getting legitimately creeped out right now. She looks like she got inducted into a cult. She looks like an orphanage kid. Guess her parent is back. That sent my mind off on the weirdest tangent - I wonder what sort of food Anthony would make Antimony, and himself? Gruel seems fitting, but I can't imagine it. Not nutritious enough. I'm picturing a bag of that green stuff Jamie Hyneman cooked up on Mythbusters. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Apr 10, 2015 11:26:30 GMT
She looks like an orphanage kid. Guess her parent is back. That sent my mind off on the weirdest tangent - I wonder what sort of food Anthony would make Antimony, and himself? Gruel seems fitting, but I can't imagine it. Not nutritious enough. I'm picturing a bag of that green stuff Jamie Hyneman cooked up on Mythbusters. , obviously. |
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Post by AnUpliftedCuttlefish on Apr 10, 2015 11:52:35 GMT
That sent my mind off on the weirdest tangent - I wonder what sort of food Anthony would make Antimony, and himself? Gruel seems fitting, but I can't imagine it. Not nutritious enough. I'm picturing a bag of that green stuff Jamie Hyneman cooked up on Mythbusters. , obviously. Heh. He could be the Heston Blumenthal of cookies, with his scientific skills. |
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Post by meltea on Apr 10, 2015 11:58:47 GMT
This chapter is shaping up to be one of the greats. Sure dark and painful, but great.
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Post by sleepcircle on Apr 10, 2015 12:15:16 GMT
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Post by bluevitriol on Apr 10, 2015 12:22:43 GMT
If she didn't know how that glass felt then, then she truly does now. We can look on the positive side: 1. She has a nice new haircut thats easy to maintain. 2. No more messy make-up to fuss over. 3. Real easy to pick her outfits for the day now. 4. No more Demi-gods sniffing up her dresses. Total proof that Anthony's decisions are doing good for her already.  |
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Post by Pig_catapult on Apr 10, 2015 12:27:42 GMT
Yeah, I'm having a hard time taking this brony person seriously. I mean, I know Poe's Law is a thing and all, and that my neurotype means I'm not the best at getting into other people's heads, but it very much strains my suspension of disbelief that someone actually holds that opinion, especially since they're focusing on misdirection to avoid having to argue their point. It seems much more plausible to me that they're willfully ignoring context for the purpose of riling up people and/or triggering real-life abuse survivors. So yeah. I'm calling troll in the dungeon. Come on, let's not jump to conclusions. It's a heated debate to be sure. And he did just argue his point. I am also a fan of MLP by the way, so I don't think it's fair to drag in that association. I was only intending to use "brony" as an easy identifier because I rarely look at screen names when someone has an avatar, because I easily forget text strings. Checking now, I am honestly surprised that their handle is a dictionary word with too many vowels for me to parse whether or not it's spelled correctly, and I am not going to attempt to type it because I'm going to transpose letters in there somewhere. I like MLP, too (my husband and I watch it together), but you are "the charging wolf-form Renardine person" to me as much as that other person is "the brony person" to me. And, checking again, it does seem that I missed some of their posts. Specifically the ones with the delicious delicious victim-blaming. I am open to the possibility that my perception of their viewpoint as utterly incomprehensible is a processing problem on my end. I do not understand how someone can so completely divorce Tony's actions from all context and subtext. All I am getting from what they are saying is that "since, if you completely isolate each individual punishment while completely disregarding the circumstances and his surrounding behaviour, Tony is not abusive and how dare Annie react like an abused child instead of being a perfect picture of mental health?", and it fundamentally makes no sense to me that that position could make honest sense to someone. What error am I making here? |
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Post by pendell on Apr 10, 2015 12:40:52 GMT
Thought balloon over Kat's head says "this will not stand" and I agree. The vacant look in Annie's eyes (Tom did a great job there) shows someone totally broken on the inside.
Now, I don't want to belittle Antimony's errors -- cheating as she did is a clear sign of a lack of integrity which should be of concern to her friends, her father, and the faculty -- but this is spanking a baby with an axe. We want Annie to get better, not be reduced to an emotionally battered hollow shell.
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Post by Vilthuril on Apr 10, 2015 12:56:45 GMT
Just because you disagree with his opinions doesn't mean he's a troll. He brought up perfectly valid points and is right about fans getting a bit heated over some odd things. Being able to see things from a different point of view is fundamental in debating-it opens up your views to info you may not have analyzed and gives you the chance to think about it more. As I've written in other posts, it is true that bringing up other positions is not some kind of sin and doesn't make you a troll. On the other hand, suddenly joining the board to start posting about nothing but a single issue and being aggressive/abusive to others right off the bat is another thing entirely. Onomatopoeia goes far beyond a couple others who keep saying they won't make any decision until all the evidence is in (while simultaneously, of course, making flat statements that Anthony is clearly correct and anyone who doesn't see it is an idiot). As I've also written, I've now blocked those couple posters because: a) They have already said everything they are going to say/expressed all the 'alternate positions' they are going to express - indeed at great length and repetitiveness and (crucially) aggressiveness, and b) unlike, say, chendzeea who expressed much the same position but in a non-abusive way and then later said, "Okay, now I have seen the evidence..." or others who still express that they are seeing points on both or many sides. I strongly doubt two or three posters will ever admit to there being enough evidence because their position is acutely based in an ideology/worldview and any wild speculation/hypothesizing it takes to support it, rather than depending on what is actually seen in a particular situation (not to mention that by the nature of the way Tom is writing the story, some of the Absolute Proofs they are demanding may not come out for years, if ever, despite everything that is seen pointing in unison toward one explanation). Onomatopoeia, though, seems to mainly just be poking people in the eye in order to get everyone riled up, incite lots of angry responses, and then get people who pretty much agree on both primary and secondary issues arguing over the tertiary question of whether he is a troll. Incidentally, about half way through this thread, mission totally accomplished for him on both those two things. That's why I've decided to no longer fav posts responding to him and the others: it adds nothing new, it feeds conflict in the board, and most of all it's what at least one of them is here for. And - aside from this last position/explanatory post for me on the topic before I focus on other things - I really have no interest in being bothered further by posters with nothing new to add or say, but even more so and especially by people whose only function (probably intentional purpose) is to sow discord and distraction. Of course, if an eternal fight with such types floats anyone else's boats, well then go for it and by all means enjoy. Every cat its own rat, hey! |
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Post by ctso74 on Apr 10, 2015 13:12:43 GMT
Okay, I'm getting legitimately creeped out right now. She looks like she got inducted into a cult. Given how secretive Carver is I wouldn't be surprised. The Court itself is rather cult like anyway. |
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Post by Vilthuril on Apr 10, 2015 13:16:11 GMT
Others have said it, but oh, the emotions, transformations, emotions... Strong Annie to Pathetic Annie, and Action Kat to AboutToStartSobbing Kat.....  |
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Post by AnUpliftedCuttlefish on Apr 10, 2015 13:21:36 GMT
If she didn't know how that glass felt then, then she truly does now. We can look on the positive side: 1. She has a nice new haircut thats easy to maintain. 2. No more messy make-up to fuss over. 3. Real easy to pick her outfits for the day now. 4. No more Demi-gods sniffing up her dresses. Total proof that Anthony's decisions are doing good for her already. The broken glass is indeed half full  |
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Post by Deepbluediver on Apr 10, 2015 13:22:10 GMT
Ok this is getting kind of creepy. I almost feel like Antimony grew up while her dad was away, and now he's trying to reset her back to being a younger kid again.
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Post by guitarminotaur on Apr 10, 2015 13:23:57 GMT
*growls*
This is the first time a piece of fiction really affected me in a long time, and I've read some dark stories. This feels real, and it is a testament to Tom's writing skill that I felt like I was there with Kat when she burst into tears. Mr. Siddell, you are a master of your craft.
As for the nature of Anthony Carver, I can only say this. If Annie felt like she had to revert completely back to her old appearance on her own initiative, then that is unhealthy enough, and the only thing that could redeem Anthony at this point is if he were similarly horrified. If Anthony forced her to discard something so completely close to her personal identity, then that is a damning indictment of the man.
I will, as others say, wait until this all pans out, but the red flags are waving in the wind like a communist march through Red Square.
Also that's probably the quickest reversal of fortune I've ever seen in a webcomic. I've never quite seen a character go to square one like that after so many years of development. |
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Post by AnUpliftedCuttlefish on Apr 10, 2015 13:27:00 GMT
Given how secretive Carver is I wouldn't be surprised. The Court itself is rather cult like anyway. Which makes one wonder who the real "Grand High Whatever" is. The Headmaster? Or someone* behind his throne? *Or many someones. A committee of someones. |
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Post by brokshi on Apr 10, 2015 13:46:04 GMT
So what's left for Anthony to take now? Just her fire elemental soul? He's already humiliated her in front of her peers, isolated her, forced her to redo classes, told her to hand over Renard, and now this, actually taking away her character development. Even if this was her choice (can she even make choices at the moment?) it's rooted in the unhealthy mindset of trying to get her father to love her again.
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Post by guitarminotaur on Apr 10, 2015 13:50:08 GMT
For those of you who mentioned Annie's complexion, she doesn't seem any paler than she was before. I think its just the shock of seeing her like that. I had to look twice.
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Post by temnoc on Apr 10, 2015 14:00:29 GMT
I just realized GKC has been going on 10 years since this past Sunday. Happy Annie-versary!
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Post by itrogash on Apr 10, 2015 14:08:42 GMT
I just realized GKC has been going on 10 years since this past Sunday. Happy Annie-versary! Heh. Happy indeed. |
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Post by guitarminotaur on Apr 10, 2015 14:10:16 GMT
I just realized GKC has been going on 10 years since this past Sunday. Happy Annie-versary! Heh. Happy indeed. My word, what an appropriate avatar. |
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Post by artezzatrigger on Apr 10, 2015 14:22:02 GMT
I just realized GKC has been going on 10 years since this past Sunday. Happy Annie-versary! Happy Annie-versary more like Sad Annie-versary *Badum-tish* I'll see myself out |
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Post by Gauldoth Half-Dead on Apr 10, 2015 14:30:58 GMT
God... DAMN. Possibly the biggest deviation from the general mood I've ever seen in a webcomic. Nothing was this real and creepy before, it's at this point that I'm actually feeling a bit uncomfortable, and for that I applaud Tom.
It's also interesting to see the reaction on the forums, aside from the people who are butthurt - nay, the line was crossed, some are having an all-out RECTAL RAGNARÖK over a webcomic. A very enjoyable and dear webcomic, but still a webcomic.
So I havent read a lot of the posts since I don't really have that kind of time lately, but from what I understand quite a few people think it's a dream. While I don't think that's the case (well, definitely not a dream in the conventional sense), but it's a rather fitting reaction to events of this magnitude happening in real life. "This feels like a dream, I want to wake up. This can't be real."
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Post by machival on Apr 10, 2015 14:32:38 GMT
Oh wow, I think I'd cry if I had to get that haircut.
Here's hoping that Kat is coming to save the day.
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Post by fwip on Apr 10, 2015 14:36:55 GMT
hey. Can I make that fanart of Anthony getting eaten by Ysengrin now? Please? (not serious)
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Post by Daedalus on Apr 10, 2015 14:38:30 GMT
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