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Post by rafk on Apr 10, 2015 8:14:14 GMT
The next page is number 1,500. Way to celebrate, Tom. While I don't know that Tom plans around significant numbers there is a reasonable chance that this is rock bottom and 1500 will be the turn of the tide as Kat goes OFF. Annie being visually reverted to the little girl in the hospital again hopefully makes clear even to the biggest Anthony fans that this is emotional abuse, not parenting. |
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Post by rafk on Apr 10, 2015 8:20:48 GMT
Incidentally this could be a huge turning point for Kat too. Does she go to Eggers for help (my choice) or Jones or her parents, or Parley and Smitty (still ok choices) or go full robot empress on Anthony's ass (aka the dark side).
The likelihood of Kat going to the Forest or even Zimmy as a first choice are remote, I feel.
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Post by sherni on Apr 10, 2015 8:26:50 GMT
This is one of the most horrifying pages in this comic. More frightening than Zimmyngham, more frightening than Coyote revealing his true nature and on par with Coyote stealing Ysengrin's memories. The confident young women we rejoiced in only a few pages back has been crushed. All the character development seems to have vanished. It's still in there somewhere, perhaps, but it's been brutally suppressed. Everything, from her clothes to her expression and body language shows this. And all of this because of her father. I disliked him at first, but now I really hate him. Can he not see what he has reduced his daughter to?! What kind of father does this?! |
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Post by aquamafia on Apr 10, 2015 8:27:57 GMT
I think Kat is most likely going to turn to her parents (and possibly Eglamore) for help regarding this. They all knew Anthony as a kid and are in the best position to handle this. Donald is also Anthony's best friend, so he has the biggest chance of getting through to him.
There's no way any of the adults are going to find this even remotely acceptable. Cheating doesn't warrant this kind of punishment. Nothing warrants this kind of action towards a kid. It is straight up emotional abuse.
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Post by heranje on Apr 10, 2015 8:37:14 GMT
OK at some point the other adults are going to have to intervene, right? I can't see the Donlans and Eglamore seeing Annie like this and thinking it's OK.
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Post by artezzatrigger on Apr 10, 2015 8:47:17 GMT
This is genuinely disturbing. Doesn't matter which of them initiated the change in appearance, its rooted in deep psychological trauma.
My worst fears right now are:
A) Annie will go full-on puppet and push Kat away, and/or
B) Kat will try to get help from the Donlans...only to be ignored at first, because they haven't seen for their own eyes whats happened and will just think "oh thats just silly old awkward Anthony, same as ever", and tell her to stay out of Anthony's way for awhile.
While its likely that its game over for Renard already, I still see a little spot of hope for him since he has (had?) his own separate apartment from Annie. The guy has had virtually free reign over his own life for quite some time, and he may have been wandering around the Court for the past several hours. Given his past visits to Eglamore, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if they both turned up at the same time.
Hell, Anthony himself may go out of his way to seek Renard. Would be a convenient way of getting both Renards and Eggers reactions at the same time.
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Post by basser on Apr 10, 2015 8:50:55 GMT
Oh, I get it. The rabbit/fairy reunion subplot was introduced to give Annie sufficient reason to rebel against her father. I'd been wondering what the point of that would be.
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Apr 10, 2015 8:51:09 GMT
Ohh! You know what this reminds me of? Thematically, I mean? This page |
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Post by antiyonder on Apr 10, 2015 8:54:28 GMT
B) Kat will try to get help from the Donlans...only to be ignored at first, because they haven't seen for their own eyes whats happened and will just think "oh thats just silly old awkward Anthony, same as ever", and tell her to stay out of Anthony's way for awhile. Pretty much this is what I'm thinking. Afterall, he's known that Annie was left at Gunnerkrigg Court with no way to contact Anthony or to contact anyone in case of emergencies and the like. |
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Post by Onomatopoeia on Apr 10, 2015 8:55:12 GMT
Annie chose to cut her hair? TRULY THE ULTIMATE PROOF THAT ANTHONY IS AN UNFORGIVABLE MONSTER! HE MUST DIE!
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Post by speedwell on Apr 10, 2015 8:56:24 GMT
Oh, my head. Sorry for last night, folks, I acted out. That's a testament to how much this is affecting me. I didn't even act out when I was a teenager because I was too crushed and cowed, so I know how... bleak and beige... Annie feels right now. She will recover, but it will be a while before she can gather the strength. Not that the hair is necessarily her source of power, but growing it back a little may become an obsession. She may sneak makeup when away from her father. (We've all done that, right, girls?) But I'm sure she will recover. Kat will recover as she thinks of ways to help Annie (I can hardly wait to see how). Anthony, I am not so sure will recover from the effect that his treatment of his daughter has on his students.
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Post by guyy on Apr 10, 2015 8:58:55 GMT
Yikes. She's been reset by several years, inside and out.
At this point, all I can say is... I'm genuinely impressed by how much Tom's made me hate her dad. I don't think I've ever been this mad at a fictional character before. Even though as far as we know, he's not really evil, just... literally the worst parent.
I hope things get better for her... somehow. I don't know what to expect anymore.
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Post by aquamafia on Apr 10, 2015 9:03:40 GMT
Annie chose to cut her hair? TRULY THE ULTIMATE PROOF THAT ANTHONY IS AN UNFORGIVABLE MONSTER! HE MUST DIE! Except that it's pretty doubtful that Annie chose to cut her hair and revert her wardrobe on her own. This is a very, very common abuse tactic. Not to mention that this is pretty scarring for a teenager. Trauma like this makes people fearful of individual expression years down the road. |
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Post by artezzatrigger on Apr 10, 2015 9:05:27 GMT
...Looking over the page again, I just realized that Kat is visibly shaking in the last panel.
She looks like shes about to get sick.
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Post by Onomatopoeia on Apr 10, 2015 9:11:59 GMT
Please point me to the page where Tony forces Annie to cut her hair and change her clothes.
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Post by antiyonder on Apr 10, 2015 9:14:55 GMT
Please point me to the page where Tony forces Annie to cut her hair and change her clothes. Fair point, but can you clarify which page shows her choosing to cut it on her own? |
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Post by aquamafia on Apr 10, 2015 9:16:37 GMT
It's implied. Considering Anthony flat out told Annie that she would be separated from everything she cares about, it's hardly a leap in logic that she was forced to get rid of her hair and clothes. Plus, Anthony already told her to take off her makeup, which shows that he doesn't care about Annie's personal style choices.
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Post by edzepp on Apr 10, 2015 9:17:34 GMT
Annie chose to cut her hair? TRULY THE ULTIMATE PROOF THAT ANTHONY IS AN UNFORGIVABLE MONSTER! HE MUST DIE! If you can't see the context for why we're horrified by this, please don't presume to tell us what our opinions are. No one even said he was a monster. |
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Post by Earin on Apr 10, 2015 9:17:42 GMT
The next page is number 1,500. Way to celebrate, Tom. While I don't know that Tom plans around significant numbers there is a reasonable chance that this is rock bottom and 1500 will be the turn of the tide as Kat goes OFF. Annie being visually reverted to the little girl in the hospital again hopefully makes clear even to the biggest Anthony fans that this is emotional abuse, not parenting. 1,500th page: Kat, Robot, Shadow 2, and some classmates, clustered funeral-style around a picture of Annie, with Tea-san in the foreground cheerfully saying, "And Antimony Carver was never seen or heard from again." THE END |
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Post by itrogash on Apr 10, 2015 9:18:17 GMT
Please point me to the page where Tony forces Annie to cut her hair and change her clothes. He made her remove her make up. It's a reasonable assumption that he would further interfere with her personal look. |
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Post by Onomatopoeia on Apr 10, 2015 9:19:33 GMT
In the absence of any evident reason that Tony would demand she cut her hair, it must be assumed that she chose to cut it herself.
Either that or she was attacked by a renegade hairdresser on her way home.
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Post by Chendzee'a on Apr 10, 2015 9:19:34 GMT
While I did try and play devil's advocate with Tony's actions, this is very telling. Annie has suffered some kind of hard reset. Everything about her body language there shows her broken and insecure. I do not like...
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Post by guyy on Apr 10, 2015 9:19:37 GMT
Please point me to the page where Tony forces Annie to cut her hair and change her clothes. I'm just going to assume you're joking or something, because I can't imagine how anyone could actually think that might have been her decision. I doubt she's even capable of making decisions right now. |
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Post by artezzatrigger on Apr 10, 2015 9:21:38 GMT
In the absence of any evident reason that Tony would demand she cut her hair, it must be assumed that she chose to cut it herself. Either that or she was attacked by a renegade hairdresser on her way home. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Don't be hypocritical. |
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Post by antiyonder on Apr 10, 2015 9:22:39 GMT
In the absence of any evident reason that Tony would demand she cut her hair, it must be assumed that she chose to cut it herself. What was the reason for insulting her earlier in the chapter? What's the reason for blowing off her concern about his hand in such a rude fashion? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Don't be hypocritical. This. If you're going to slam posters for being extreme, behaving in the same manner even with the opposite opinion doesn't lead to the higher road. |
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Post by edzepp on Apr 10, 2015 9:24:00 GMT
In the absence of any evident reason that Tony would demand she cut her hair, it must be assumed that she chose to cut it herself. Either that or she was attacked by a renegade hairdresser on her way home. Whether she 'chose' or whatever, the implications of the haircut is what is most genuinely unsettling, not necessarily the haircut itself. |
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Post by AnUpliftedCuttlefish on Apr 10, 2015 9:26:51 GMT
Sometimes things fall and break... and sometimes they are pushed. But oh god your face Kat, I can't... Oh god your face Antimony, I can't... my feels hurt so much. Donlan! Don't just stand there - initiate emergency procedure "Hug Her Like Her Life Depends On It". I guess a question is: did Anthony do this? Or did Annie? Either is very troubling, but for different reasons. I think I'm most concerned that in either case it could imply Annie has pretty much reverted, mentally/emotionally, to a child.* Her outfit isn't a perfect fit for what she wore in the hospital, but damn if the first thing that sprang to mind when I saw her was Hospital Era Annie.** Also - I've never been entirely sure if Antimony had been wearing her blinker stone earlier in this chapter, but it looks even less like she's wearing it now. I wonder if she's been left with it, or if it has also been taken? *And if so - I need to say I've come round: this is clearly what's best for her schoolwork, and a sign of good parenting in action. 100% optimal. Being broken mentally was thoroughly deserved, and will absolutely ensure Antimony passes her classes with ease. Since that is what this is all about, natch. **Only her body language is far more beaten - Hospital Era Annie wasn't an unhappy child. Her mother - her dying, bedridden mother - did her best to ensure that wasn't the case. "Are you here?" Good question, Kat. I'm not entirely sure at the moment. I'm sure she's just trying to save her father the INCONVENIENCE of arranging a proper lobotomy. AnUpliftedCuttlefishThis is not the major-character-growth representing haircut we were hoping for, man! I'm just like "I know I asked for it, but not like this, man. Never like this." Incidentally this could be a huge turning point for Kat too. Does she go to Eggers for help (my choice) or Jones or her parents, or Parley and Smitty (still ok choices) or go full robot empress on Anthony's ass (aka the dark side). The likelihood of Kat going to the Forest or even Zimmy as a first choice are remote, I feel. Go to all concerned parties at the court, at once. When hundreds, if not thousands, of robots are at your beck of call send them off to summon everybody. Though I'm thinking back to who Antimony's first choice was, when they needed help on the boat. And who Kat ended up speaking to first when she was worried Antimony might have reacted negatively to Pazkiss. *sob*Happier times*sob*... Kat: "I'm going to get Rey!" One can only hope Antimony doesn't respond "Rey is gone Kat. It's for the best". |
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Post by matoyak on Apr 10, 2015 9:28:00 GMT
It would be an absurdly big coincidence if after being shown to acquiesce to everything her father wanted she went out and just decided to get her hair cut like it was back when she lived at the hospital with her mom and dad for no related reason. It would be a coincidence if it just happened. But I've known too many girls, women even, to cut their hair in situations like this. We don't know, though. I'm waiting for Monday to find out what this all means. Granted she looks more than a little shell-shocked, though. She really does need that hug. I personally would find it more horrific if it was indeed Antimony choosing to revert hairstyles and clothes back to her early (or intentionally similar, at any rate) childhood style. "Maybe he'll love me if I look like his kid again." "Maybe it's my fault for looking like mum." If she chose this, it's an INCREDIBLY creepy development. And if she didn't, it's Anthony using another common technique used by abusers to kowtow people into submission. There's no good way to read into this change. It's bad either way. |
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Post by aquamafia on Apr 10, 2015 9:28:59 GMT
In the absence of any evident reason that Tony would demand she cut her hair, it must be assumed that she chose to cut it herself. Either that or she was attacked by a renegade hairdresser on her way home. ...Evident reason? Control obviously. All of Anthony's actions point towards him trying to exhibit control over his daughter (ordering her to remove her makeup, separating her from her classmates, shutting down any type of protests she has, and taking Renard from her.) We don't know his end goal, but his actions have a consistent pattern. Also, let me tell you right now. If you've grown your hair out to that length for that long, you would never cut it off on a whim like that. Long hair forms a part of your identity when growing up, and cutting it off is a huge decision. Losing part of what makes you "you" is especially difficult as a teenager. |
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Post by Onomatopoeia on Apr 10, 2015 9:29:59 GMT
I was joking when I designated Tony a monster. I am not joking in suggesting he did not force her to cut her hair.
You can't imagine how I could think she was capable of making her own decisions, I can't imagine how anyone could uphold any of Anthony's punishments, or the threat of punishment in the case of Kat, as evidence of abuse, so I guess we're even.
I know you people like to point to everything that's happening as irrefutable proof that Kim Jong Tony, Tony Mussolini, Tony Stalin, is a horrible person but I think that's probably more a kneejerk reaction to Annie's ridiculously fragile ego rather than any actual wrongness in Tony's actions, of which none have been remotely unreasonable in principle, even if their delivery leaves something to be desired.
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