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Post by Deepbluediver on Mar 6, 2015 15:19:41 GMT
That possesive hand-grip from Paz... or maybe Annie just wanted to be polite and leave the two to their obviously not intimate sofa-centered relationship. Now, maybe it's just me and I'm reading into this a little too much, but I'm getting the distinct impression that there is still a bit of awkwardness here.... |
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Post by msouth on Mar 6, 2015 15:35:59 GMT
That was a rather abrupt end. Glad to see Annie kept her smile after she left, though. If you look carefully, I think the correct way to say this is "regained her smile before she left". She dropped it when Paz appeared, then recovered. That's how I interpreted it, at least. Excited to see her old friend, then her old friend's new girlfriend comes in, she's realizing she's just become third wheel here. Her friend tells her she doesn't have to leave, but she knows she really should, and of course wants to keep the happy face on so they don't feel bad about her leaving. |
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Post by msouth on Mar 6, 2015 15:55:28 GMT
Since I'm probably the last person left on the planet that's never seen any "Friends", this page is pretty much entirely lost on me. *shrug* I mean, those two 'bots are obviously referencing some other characters. But if I had to guess I'd say they're Ernie and Bert from Sesame Street...  FRIENDS FANS--STOP READING HERE! I'M GOING TO BE MEAN TO YOUR SHOW! I DON'T DESPISE YOU FOR LIKING IT! I JUST DESPISE IT! I'll bet you could get all the context you need--and all the motivation you need never to watch a full episode--for the "Joey" bot by searching "Joey Tribbiani how you doing?" on youtube. Surely someone has done a compilation. If you've never seen any Friends, congratulations, and my advice is to keep it that way. Ugh. Basically, Joey is a womanizer, and he has this catchphrase "How *you* doin'?" that he uses to turn on the charm. As others have explained, "sudo" is a unix command, so it's funny that a robot version of Joey uses "sudo"ing instead of "doing" in the catchphrase. I think the other bot is Chandler, as the "Could i *be*..." thing is a catchphrase-y thing for him, also I think that vest is a Chandler thing. See friends.wikia.com/wiki/Running_Gags for anyone that wants to...verify that they don't want to watch this series. You know the series "Where are my pants?" from the Lego Movie? Friends is so much like that. I'm sorry, Friends fans--as I said, I still like you if you liked this thing I don't like. Think of it like cilantro. I love it, you hate it, we can still enjoy lunch together! |
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Post by sidhekin on Mar 6, 2015 15:59:33 GMT
Strictly speaking sudo is a command to grant some limited power of the superuser to a standard account. I think it operates per file basis, and is thus a little smarter than would be just checking the first parameter it gets, but I really don't know. I'm not on a Ubuntu box so I just su when starting administering. If you want to be strict, it's actually "substitute user do" (or "switch user do") – it is not restricted to the superuser (user id 0) account. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "operates per file basis" or "checking the first parameter it gets", but perhaps it helps if I tell you everything (after optional option parameters) is taken as a command and its (optional) parameters, and the options and command (and your account and groups) are checked against system policy to see if it is permitted; if/how often you need to provide your/root's password as well; how the environment is set up to run the command; whether/how/what kind of stuff is logged; etc … … or perhaps it doesn't help so much as confuse? :-\ I've been using Unix for longer than I've been using Windows, so I often have a bit of trouble connecting with the mental models of Windows-only users. |
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Post by The Anarch on Mar 6, 2015 16:07:46 GMT
Annie just needs to go find a book.
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Post by Deepbluediver on Mar 6, 2015 17:49:57 GMT
Strictly speaking sudo is a command to grant some limited power of the superuser to a standard account. I think it operates per file basis, and is thus a little smarter than would be just checking the first parameter it gets, but I really don't know. I'm not on a Ubuntu box so I just su when starting administering. If you want to be strict, it's actually "substitute user do" (or "switch user do") – it is not restricted to the superuser (user id 0) account. ....I though it was a joke referring to the crossword-style puzzle with the numbers in little boxes. My nerd-cred just took a serious hit. |
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Post by Eversist on Mar 6, 2015 18:13:53 GMT
Hah! Didn't expect the Friends references to keep going. I wonder if Joey- and Chandler-bots are babysitters for Reynard. I expect it's the last we'll see of them and the dorm rooms, though. ....I though it was a joke referring to the crossword-style puzzle with the numbers in little boxes. Ah, sudoku. |
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Post by sotha on Mar 6, 2015 19:25:52 GMT
That was a rather abrupt end. Glad to see Annie kept her smile after she left, though. Yeah but look at her eyebrow orientation swap. For a second, when I first saw the last panel, I thought it was Kramer-bot and Costanza-bot. I think that would have been funnier. I would have imagined, that the Court made these buildings, so robots can live out their sitcom fantasies. That robot does look like Kramer. |
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Post by freeman on Mar 6, 2015 20:28:28 GMT
Strictly speaking sudo is a command to grant some limited power of the superuser to a standard account. I think it operates per file basis, and is thus a little smarter than would be just checking the first parameter it gets, but I really don't know. I'm not on a Ubuntu box so I just su when starting administering. If you want to be strict, it's actually "substitute user do" (or "switch user do") – it is not restricted to the superuser (user id 0) account. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "operates per file basis" or "checking the first parameter it gets", but perhaps it helps if I tell you everything (after optional option parameters) is taken as a command and its (optional) parameters, and the options and command (and your account and groups) are checked against system policy to see if it is permitted; if/how often you need to provide your/root's password as well; how the environment is set up to run the command; whether/how/what kind of stuff is logged; etc … … or perhaps it doesn't help so much as confuse? :-\ I've been using Unix for longer than I've been using Windows, so I often have a bit of trouble connecting with the mental models of Windows-only users. When I was writing that I was wondering if sudo was just a normal program with root privileges, which would then just exec the command it gets in its arguments provided user has sufficient rights set in sudoers file, but for that to work sudo would need to parse that command string and see it does not have anything security compromising. Say it was sudo vim /some/important/file; then sudo would need to recognize that vim is getting important file as an argument, before running that string to exec. This clearly can't fly, conclusion being that for implementing sudo some kernel support is needed. I guess I'm not an advanced user. |
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Post by ctso74 on Mar 6, 2015 21:28:34 GMT
That possesive hand-grip from Paz... or maybe Annie just wanted to be polite and leave the two to their obviously not intimate sofa-centered relationship. Now, maybe it's just me and I'm reading into this a little too much, but I'm getting the distinct impression that there is still a bit of awkwardness here.... I've walked into an apartment, while roommates have "had guests". If they're not part of your clique, it is a bit awkward. It can be awkward, even if they are. I imagine Annie has a room that she could have gone to, but went across the hall for a cup of comic relief. Though that does raise the question, does Annie think of Paz as part of their group or not? Paz was with them on the cruise, but sometimes it's hard to see a friend's GF as a buddy. |
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Post by Fishy on Mar 7, 2015 0:43:13 GMT
I feel like Renard'll be dorming with the girls again by the next chapter.
Is it weird that I find nobody reacting to Annie's lack of footwear stranger than Annie not having footwear?
And oddly, this brings the question... what exactly does Annie do when Kat and Paz are having together time, there's no medium-relevant matters to attend to, no one's being sucked into an alternate reality, Mort is no longer available to spend time with, ancient forgotten mysteries aren't being discovered, and things are generally just fine? Because I get the feeling the answer is "Not much."
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Post by fish on Mar 7, 2015 1:29:09 GMT
I wonder if Joey- and Chandler-bots are babysitters for Reynard. I expect it's the last we'll see of them and the dorm rooms, though. My first though was, they are surveillance-bots to keep Rey in check, but then I remembered the Court doesn't really work together with the Robots. But why would two Robos need to live in an appartment building inhabited by year 10 students? Peculiar. Maybe they'll do the housekeeping for Rey? I hope this will be answered, even if just in passing. This is an obvious reference for a lot of people, but those who don't get it shouldn't be left hanging with this weird developement. But I do think the panel is funny enough on its own and won't bother people who are oblivious to friends. I suspect the reference will be lost on most members of future generations, haha. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Mar 7, 2015 1:29:15 GMT
Tom has had a screen shot of Joey and Chandler on his Google+ page since at least last Summer: plus.google.com/+TomSiddellI still don't know what is up with Chandler's eyes. |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Mar 7, 2015 1:40:53 GMT
Those are his angry eyes!  |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Mar 7, 2015 2:30:02 GMT
Those are his angry eyes! The angriest eyes! |
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Post by Lightice on Mar 7, 2015 8:24:12 GMT
Is it weird that I find nobody reacting to Annie's lack of footwear stranger than Annie not having footwear? Everybody's probably used to it by now. Well, there's always Renard... I wonder if Joey- and Chandler-bots are babysitters for Reynard. I expect it's the last we'll see of them and the dorm rooms, though. My first though was, they are surveillance-bots to keep Rey in check, but then I remembered the Court doesn't really work together with the Robots. But why would two Robos need to live in an appartment building inhabited by year 10 students? Peculiar. Maybe they'll do the housekeeping for Rey? Well, the Court's certainly big and strange enough to have room for anomalies. Maybe these bots just spontaneously started imitating characters they saw on TV, and the Court let them indulge in their fantasy just to see what would come of it? |
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Post by Purgatorius on Mar 7, 2015 14:16:12 GMT
And Annie is alone again.
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Post by Toloc on Mar 7, 2015 17:08:35 GMT
Been a bit busy, so I just skimmed over each of the last few updates.
Just found the time to look a little more in depth.
I didn't notice the friends references, I didn't even see the end-of-chapter glyph.
Found it rather unremarkable and thought it was to contrast Annie's rather strange day up to now.
Finally coming to the discussion thread just blew my mind.
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Post by nero on Mar 7, 2015 19:12:28 GMT
Its been a long time since i saw Friends so I didn't notice the apartment until people pointed it out. On this page I did recognize Joey. I do like how everything in Annie's apartment is a shade of purple.
She did seem awkward with Paz, but that's understandable. I hope that changes though or maybe Annie will hang out with the other kids.
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Post by KMar on Mar 8, 2015 16:02:08 GMT
My first though was, they are surveillance-bots to keep Rey in check, but then I remembered the Court doesn't really work together with the Robots. But why would two Robos need to live in an appartment building inhabited by year 10 students? Peculiar. Maybe they'll do the housekeeping for Rey? Well, the Court's certainly big and strange enough to have room for anomalies. Maybe these bots just spontaneously started imitating characters they saw on TV, and the Court let them indulge in their fantasy just to see what would come of it? Maybe someone just thought they were "funny" and got them placed there as a comic relief for students? |
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Post by todd on Mar 9, 2015 0:14:26 GMT
It was great to have Annie the point-of-view character again; I felt that she was being upstaged by Kat lately in the comic, so I enjoyed seeing her back at stage center. I hope that's a sign of the way this year (in the comic's internal chronology) will unfold.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 0:37:47 GMT
I don't want to let a single panel and a throwaway joke bring down the chapter for me, but... -sigh- I thought the subtle nods (the exterior shot, the layout of Annie and Kat's apartment) were fine, as obviously Tom is a fan of the show, but I honestly can't remember a time when he's made a pop-culture reference that wasn't Kat or someone else remarking on the thing in-universe (e.g. watching Princess Mononoke, her various T-shirts, etc.). It just bugs me, you know? It feels entirely out of place, and I somehow doubt there's going to be more page time dedicated to in-universe reasons why robotic versions of characters from Friends are living in the Court. In fact, I hope there won't be. I just really want Monday to happen, and when I get off of my shift at 7am, I want there to be something else up on the site. --- Really, though, this is only about that one panel.  And it's also the only panel in nearly 1500 pages of Gunnerkrigg Court that has left me feeling disappointed, so take that as you will. (I won't lie, "how you sudoing?" made me crack a smile. Tom, you're a very funny guy, and I like your jokes, but this? I don't know. I guess in the end I don't agree with Daedalus, this was quite good as the starting-book-6 chapter, and it worked well all the way up to the last panel on this last page. For me, the Joey and Chandler robots were just a miscalculation.) |
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Post by Daedalus on Mar 9, 2015 7:37:16 GMT
but I honestly can't remember a time when he's made a pop-culture reference that wasn't Kat or someone else remarking on the thing in-universe (e.g. watching Princess Mononoke, her various T-shirts, etc.) For the sake of completeness, he did reference Pokémon clearly once (lampshaded in his comment), but yeah. It just bugs me, you know? It feels entirely out of place, and I somehow doubt there's going to be more page time dedicated to in-universe reasons why robotic versions of characters from Friends are living in the Court. In fact, I hope there won't be. I just really want Monday to happen, and when I get off of my shift at 7am, I want there to be something else up on the site. --- Really, though, this is only about that one panel. And it's also the only panel in nearly 1500 pages of Gunnerkrigg Court that has left me feeling disappointed, so take that as you will. (I won't lie, "how you sudoing?" made me crack a smile. Tom, you're a very funny guy, and I like your jokes, but this? I don't know. I guess in the end I don't agree with Daedalus, this was quite good as the starting-book-6 chapter, and it worked well all the way up to the last panel on this last page. For me, the Joey and Chandler robots were just a miscalculation.)Actually, I agree with you on literally every point here, haha. This was the only page in 1500 that I have been disappointed with*. I noted in my post (in the white text) that "how you sudoing?" was great. The only reason I'm opposed to this page was that it feels out of place compared to the normal ominous mood of the comic**, and I hope that we return to our normal atmosphere next chapter. And I hope for something else come Monday Wednesday. If my message was misinterpreted, I apologize. Since we're agreeing but you think I'm saying something else, I must have communicated badly. I should stop putting sections of text in white - they're too easy to miss.*(well, other than the infamous page 1089, but that's more personal sadness because I liked the non-evil Coyote, goddammit!) **also, until contradicted, I'm assuming Kat introduced the robots to TV, and they're emulating the characters to try to understand humans  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 13:08:08 GMT
Ah, sorry for misinterpreting! -snip- I'm disappointed in the brevity and lack of resolution in this chapter -snip- It was because you said that^, leading me to believe you were disliking the chapter even before this page. Anyway, yeah, it seems we had nearly identical reactions, and we share the same optimism as well. This is just a little gag, the more familiar atmosphere of the Court is right around the corner. (Also, your headcanon for the Friends-bots is perfect. A bunch of robots very seriously recreating scenarios from sitcoms in order to learn about humanity actually feels like something that might go on in the Court...) |
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Post by keef on Mar 9, 2015 15:52:33 GMT
**also, until contradicted, I'm assuming Kat introduced the robots to TV, and they're emulating the characters to try to understand humans First "The Loveboat" now "Friends". Can't get any worse can it? |
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Post by warrl on Mar 9, 2015 17:07:48 GMT
**also, until contradicted, I'm assuming Kat introduced the robots to TV, and they're emulating the characters to try to understand humans First "The Loveboat" now "Friends". Can't get any worse can it? You have insufficient faith in the ability of TV scriptwriters to plunge the depth of human inanity and bring shovels. |
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Post by keef on Mar 9, 2015 22:57:22 GMT
On the other hand this is probably better than robots learning from reality TV...
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Post by SilverbackRon on Mar 11, 2015 6:34:44 GMT
No! Clangler Bing asks "Could I BE any more metallic?" Don't you realize how ominous that is?! He lives right across the hall from Creator Kat and he wants her to make him flesh! |
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Post by lit on Mar 11, 2015 15:51:52 GMT
Start-of-book chapers have never been very long, what are you talking bout, guys? Yeah, I was initially surprised by how abruptly this chapter seemed to end but then I remembered that this is the first chapter of a book. Though it doesn't make as much sense when viewed on the web, there are good reasons for the initial chapter of a book to be shorter, and to focus on introducing the themes in play, I suppose. As a result, this chapter hasn't had as much impact as we've maybe come to expect, but perhaps it suits the overall contour better this way. |
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And it's also the only panel in nearly 1500 pages of Gunnerkrigg Court that has left me feeling disappointed, so take that as you will.
