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Post by eightyfour on Dec 19, 2014 20:03:39 GMT
the next page is going to just be the gang back in Annie and Kat's room Yep, the cruise is over. The last panel definitely shows their room: compare. |
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Post by alpacalypse on Dec 19, 2014 21:50:18 GMT
The next comic is Jack walking in, smiling and clean shaven. Jenny's face starts having convulsions. Jenny:"The hair. It goes away?" I'm really curious how the Court's going to handle this Seraph Revolt. I am sticking with the opinion that the Court will let the Bots deal with the Ship and Seraphs. The Bots were part of the rescue. KingBot already has the Ship's CPU. I see the Ship taking the fall and the Seraphs hiding in the shadows. I do think the Court will have to respond in some way. The lives of many students were put in jeopardy and its not something that they can just throw under the rug. |
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Post by stef1987 on Dec 19, 2014 22:35:25 GMT
I think this is a good moment to appreciate Tom's use of unique speech bubble colors for each character. Honestly, I think he's the only one I've seen do it. It's really smart. yeah, unfortunately, it's nearly unnoticeable. I was thinking when reading this page, that he really should make it more noticeable. |
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Post by TBeholder on Dec 19, 2014 23:12:10 GMT
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Post by todd on Dec 19, 2014 23:15:53 GMT
Hmm, I am a little curious as to how things would've turned out if the drone didn't make it out of the ether syphons on time. Would it still have been possible for the kids to find another way to escape, or would they have been hopelessly stuck in Zimmingham? A lot of that depends on the long-range plans that the Ship and the Seraphs would have had (if they had any) - they might not have wanted to be stuck in Zimmy's world permanently themselves. On the other hand, they would probably have had to keep the students prisoner to keep them from informing anyone else about their actions - and wouldn't have been able to return to the Court themselves as a result. Possibly exile forever in Zimmy's world might have seemed the only way to hide from the Court - if they'd given any thought about that. But I doubt they considered the long-term consequences of their plans - they might not have carried this scheme out if they had. Maybe Jack and Jenny would have come up with some other plan for escape . Maybe the Court would have gotten suspicious when the cruise ship vanished and sent out an expedition anyway. We'll never know. |
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Post by TBeholder on Dec 19, 2014 23:23:57 GMT
A lot of that depends on the long-range plans that the Ship and the Seraphs would have had (if they had any) - they might not have wanted to be stuck in Zimmy's world permanently themselves. [...] Possibly exile forever in Zimmy's world might have seemed the only way to hide from the Court - if they'd given any thought about that. But I doubt they considered the long-term consequences of their plans - they might not have carried this scheme out if they had. Yup. If they had a habit of thinking stuff through rather than had leaps of faith adopted as the default gait, they won't ever pass anywhere near Zimmy, if at all possible. Maxim 14: "Mad Science" means never stopping to ask "what's the worst thing that could happen?". |
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Post by todd on Dec 19, 2014 23:25:26 GMT
I am sticking with the opinion that the Court will let the Bots deal with the Ship and Seraphs. The Bots were part of the rescue. KingBot already has the Ship's CPU. I see the Ship taking the fall and the Seraphs hiding in the shadows. I do think the Court will have to respond in some way. The lives of many students were put in jeopardy and its not something that they can just throw under the rug. Of course, a lot of that depends on whether the Court finds out or not. Though with so many students on board witnessing the event, I'm not sure it could stay a secret for long; even if Annie and Kat get the rest of the students to promise not to say anything (maybe out of concern that if the Court decides to investigate the incident, they might find out about Robot - and about how Annie sent him across the bridge), someone is bound to slip up sooner or later. Not to mention Reynardine and the robot rescue force heading out to sea - short of all the adults at the Court being away on holiday at the time, I can't see that going unnoticed. If the Court does find out - I think the Seraphs will only be able to escape being converted into paper-clips if they make themselves too important to the Court's administration to be disposed of. If things had gone wrong and an entire year of students had disappeared forever - that's the kind of incident that can bring a school crashing down (or even if it survives the calamity, it would take years for it to recover). I can certainly imagine the Headmaster facing a grilling from the board of governors (or the equivalent at the Court). So they'd have good reason to come down heavily on the conspirators. |
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Post by calpal on Dec 20, 2014 0:32:54 GMT
I do think the Court will have to respond in some way. The lives of many students were put in jeopardy and its not something that they can just throw under the rug. Of course, a lot of that depends on whether the Court finds out or not. Though with so many students on board witnessing the event, I'm not sure it could stay a secret for long; even if Annie and Kat get the rest of the students to promise not to say anything (maybe out of concern that if the Court decides to investigate the incident, they might find out about Robot - and about how Annie sent him across the bridge), someone is bound to slip up sooner or later. Not to mention Reynardine and the robot rescue force heading out to sea - short of all the adults at the Court being away on holiday at the time, I can't see that going unnoticed. If the Court does find out - I think the Seraphs will only be able to escape being converted into paper-clips if they make themselves too important to the Court's administration to be disposed of. If things had gone wrong and an entire year of students had disappeared forever - that's the kind of incident that can bring a school crashing down (or even if it survives the calamity, it would take years for it to recover). I can certainly imagine the Headmaster facing a grilling from the board of governors (or the equivalent at the Court). So they'd have good reason to come down heavily on the conspirators. They are already aware of Annie letting Robot across the bridge - at least partially, after what happened in 'Of New and Old' (you think a robot would suddenly cross the bridge from Gillitie Woods having NOT have been sent there in the first place, especially considering how Annie would've had to explain all that?). The Court would most certainly know that the students were effectively attacked by the Seraph robots during some crazed AI moment. The bigger question to ask: how did the Seraphs manage to fire this plot of theirs? Yeah, it was easy to get the stuff from Kat's lab, and it might have been easy to talk to the AI about this plan - especially since he had motivation to be a living thing - but to do all this under a Court-approved cruise, where a large number of students could've been put at risk? Either the Court was maliciously incompetent - which I'm not willing to believe - or... The Court was also in on this. We've seen them wanting to study the ether itself, and Zimmy was a very valuable person worthy of study. They wouldn't let her be put at risk so carelessly... unless they have also heard of the rumours regarding the Angel Kat. If they're thinking the same thing everyone else believes in the Theories thread about Kat, the Robots and religion, then that means they'd want to run their own tests on Kat and see if they can force an etheric connection based on robotic life. And what better way than to cover this experiment up than under some freak AI-Seraph plot that so many people wouldn't bother to question in the first place? And we all know how well the Court covers up its schemes... |
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Post by thedoctor on Dec 20, 2014 0:42:13 GMT
Also, don't be fooled in panel 3. Annie really is picking up Kat to demonstrate her superiority and to remind Kat of the benefits of proper diet and exercise. You can't pick someone up like that. Annie is tickling her. Paz leans forward attentively - she's learning. Renard gets into the role of an advisor. He is aiming to be the man, er, fox behind the Robot King's throne. Dangit TBeholder. I went back and looked and said, "no, she's just waving at Kat. I think. Aw crap, now I can't tell" This is how guys say "thank you". Or we just punch each other in the arm. I think this is a good moment to appreciate Tom's use of unique speech bubble colors for each character. Honestly, I think he's the only one I've seen do it. It's really smart. yeah, unfortunately, it's nearly unnoticeable. I was thinking when reading this page, that he really should make it more noticeable. If you angle your screen off of proper viewing angle, they tend to show up better. Kind of weird, but it helps when I'm confused about who's saying what. |
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Post by warrl on Dec 20, 2014 0:49:04 GMT
Well, the court DID arrange the cruise. But that's normal: the ship has been sailing with Lindsey alongside for years.
And we saw no adults on board. Apparently the robots were supposed to keep the kids under control. Was it the shipbots? I think they were busy running the ship. I'd guess that it's also normal for the seraphs to be on board for this annual cruise.
There's everything in place - as normal non-malevolent practice. Except for the stuff from Kat's lab which, when she is not there, is mostly watched... by seraphs.
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Post by ctso74 on Dec 20, 2014 4:37:09 GMT
The bigger question to ask: how did the Seraphs manage to fire this plot of theirs? Yeah, it was easy to get the stuff from Kat's lab, and it might have been easy to talk to the AI about this plan - especially since he had motivation to be a living thing - but to do all this under a Court-approved cruise, where a large number of students could've been put at risk? Either the Court was maliciously incompetent - which I'm not willing to believe - or... The Court was also in on this. We've seen them wanting to study the ether itself, and Zimmy was a very valuable person worthy of study. They wouldn't let her be put at risk so carelessly... unless they have also heard of the rumours regarding the Angel Kat. If they're thinking the same thing everyone else believes in the Theories thread about Kat, the Robots and religion, then that means they'd want to run their own tests on Kat and see if they can force an etheric connection based on robotic life. And what better way than to cover this experiment up than under some freak AI-Seraph plot that so many people wouldn't bother to question in the first place? And we all know how well the Court covers up its schemes... A third option is the Seraphs were given such a degree of autonomy by the Court, that their motions didn't even merit note. With access to student records and information on etheric experiments, they could have planned it all on their own. Of course, that would put them toward "too important to the Court's administration to be disposed of" territory. The only problem with that is, how did they make the neutralizing ofudas? Does the Court leave them lying around, in case of student uprising? Or can robots make such talismans themselves? |
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Post by Ophel on Dec 20, 2014 6:36:53 GMT
ctso74 With kids like them in a place like GC, a student uprising isn't that preposterous of a thought. Although, if that were the case, then a tool like them ofudas should be kept away from everyone except those who are authorised. ... There's a thought: the Seraphs are part of GC special ops security measure, an explanation as to why they migth have access to the ofudas when one takes the Court making the ofudas a way to mitigate uprising damage. (The Seraphs going rogue on the Court with their ulterior-motived actions)
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Post by Daedalus on Dec 20, 2014 7:04:50 GMT
yeah, unfortunately, it's nearly unnoticeable. I was thinking when reading this page, that he really should make it more noticeable. If you angle your screen off of proper viewing angle, they tend to show up better. Kind of weird, but it helps when I'm confused about who's saying what. Personally, I just keep Digicolor Meter open in the background. I memorized which combination goes to each character a while ago when I was doing part of the photo editing for the translation. |
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Post by todd on Dec 20, 2014 11:45:35 GMT
The Court was also in on this. We've seen them wanting to study the ether itself, and Zimmy was a very valuable person worthy of study. They wouldn't let her be put at risk so carelessly... unless they have also heard of the rumours regarding the Angel Kat. If they're thinking the same thing everyone else believes in the Theories thread about Kat, the Robots and religion, then that means they'd want to run their own tests on Kat and see if they can force an etheric connection based on robotic life. And what better way than to cover this experiment up than under some freak AI-Seraph plot that so many people wouldn't bother to question in the first place? And we all know how well the Court covers up its schemes... In that case, the Seraphs are likely to wind up paper-clipped all the more to keep them from implicating the adults at the Court who arranged this (and they certainly wouldn't want the students finding out about this; the results could be even worse this time than being stuck outside the farmhouse with the robot cows fencing it off - in fact, the adults would *need* those paper talismans more than ever if they hope to survive the students' response). It would be the old case of the accomplice hired to do some dirty deed that his employer can't be publicly connected to being silenced afterwards ("Have I not done well?" "Excellent well; receive your reward" - runs accomplice through and then tells everyone else that, upon discovering dead accmplice's foul deed, he was so filled with fury that he cut him down on the spot). Though, since a lot of the students at the Court seem to be the children of the Court staff, I wonder if the administration would really put their own offspring in danger. Unless it's a case of "If they die, it's for a good cause, to add to our store of scientific knowledge." Not to mention the question of how to get information about the experiment if the cruise ship and all on board were lost forever as a result. |
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Post by TBeholder on Dec 20, 2014 14:45:42 GMT
If you angle your screen off of proper viewing angle, they tend to show up better. Kind of weird, but it helps when I'm confused about who's saying what. Huh. Most likely you have contrast set way too high - this bleaches halftones together. A third option is the Seraphs were given such a degree of autonomy by the Court, that their motions didn't even merit note. With access to student records and information on etheric experiments, they could have planned it all on their own. Of course, that would put them toward "too important to the Court's administration to be disposed of" territory. How so? can robots make such talismans themselves? Existing golems can make new golem hearts/cores. Which counts as a variety of magical inscriptions too, so it's not that far out. On the other eyestalk, robots did not just copy, they miniaturized and expanded those cores, so we could expect such talismans made by them would be optimized for their methods too. |
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Post by calpal on Dec 21, 2014 3:17:15 GMT
Well, the court DID arrange the cruise. But that's normal: the ship has been sailing with Lindsey alongside for years. And we saw no adults on board. Apparently the robots were supposed to keep the kids under control. Was it the shipbots? I think they were busy running the ship. I'd guess that it's also normal for the seraphs to be on board for this annual cruise. There's everything in place - as normal non-malevolent practice. Except for the stuff from Kat's lab which, when she is not there, is mostly watched... by seraphs. Except remember when Annie first encountered them, as just another regular student? They ran away from her; from that initial reaction, I would guess that Seraphs do not normally engage with the student body at all, especially considering they're considered a secret society of robots, in a sense. Them being there alone was a very serious violation of previous conduct protocols, never mind what they accomplished soon after. But the fact that there were no adults on the ship itself to supervise students - even if Lindsay counts as a supposed "adult" - is stupidly suspicious. For starters, who the hell arranges a cruise for students only, with no adult supervision on the ship itself?! Any rational person would look at that and think "Holy balls to the walls, the Court Administration must be ten levels of retarded to let teenagers run rampant on a cruise ship all by themselves!" And for the AI and his dummy terminals to watch over them... I just wouldn't trust a cruise ship AI to watch so many students, even if it had eyes everywhere. Either the Court Administration was stupidly incompetent, or they helped to arrange all of this. Either is a scary thought. |
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Post by todd on Dec 21, 2014 11:37:41 GMT
That brings up one possible argument against the Court arranging it - the incident would raise precisely those questions. People would ask how it was that the Seraphs were able to take over like that, and why the Court wasn't better prepared against it. After that, the Court would have to face being viewed as either incompetent or corrupt. Parents might start withdrawing their children from the Court school and send them to safer, more ordinary schools. And the Court administration would be facing a lot of awkward questions - to the point where they might decide to sacrifice one or two officials (maybe even the Headmaster himself), making them appear the sole culprits responsible and giving them the sack, to save the rest of themselves.
Unless they try something like using some etheric system to erase all memory of the incident from the students, so that they can't tell anyone about it, and thus keep the incident safely hushed up.
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Post by Elysium on Dec 22, 2014 3:56:22 GMT
But the fact that there were no adults on the ship itself to supervise students - even if Lindsay counts as a supposed "adult" - is stupidly suspicious. For starters, who the hell arranges a cruise for students only, with no adult supervision on the ship itself?! Any rational person would look at that and think "Holy balls to the walls, the Court Administration must be ten levels of retarded to let teenagers run rampant on a cruise ship all by themselves!" And for the AI and his dummy terminals to watch over them... I just wouldn't trust a cruise ship AI to watch so many students, even if it had eyes everywhere. It's quite simple, the Court trusted the robots, after all why wouldn't they ? They do that every year without incident. You can't expect them to forsee the secret robot police losing their shit over Kat's experiments. |
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Post by Purgatorius on Dec 22, 2014 19:12:40 GMT
You're one to talk, Renard?
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