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Post by snipertom on Dec 18, 2014 9:09:05 GMT
Hmmm I beg to disagree about the maturity. I don't think it's a very good idea to date someone knowing you still have very strong feelings for someone else. Such a thing is borne out by my and my friends' personal experiences. Prince Charles, anyone? On the other hand, we don't know in which way Jenny helped him, so perhaps in some way that speaks to maturity?
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Post by sapientcoffee on Dec 18, 2014 11:42:06 GMT
I'd guess that Jack knows that Zimmy is completely off-limits, got to know and like Jenny during their talks, and that they're both seeing if he can work past/around how he feels about Zimmy. Since Jenny knows what's up (and is fine with it), I figure they got good communication going - which is where the mature thing comes in.
I'm always amused by how Annie assumes awful things about Jack (well, lots of people I think, too tired to check, I don't know if it's from how Anthony treats her or knowing so few humans growing up, but when people act other than she's expecting, she rarely assumes good reasons), "...why would you chase after another girl..." and he takes it in stride - also pretty mature.
When Annie feels in control of a situation, she appears mature. I think maybe she thinks she's pretty mature, having been through the things she's been through. But when events catch her flat-footed, she rarely takes them well. I think she's gotten better, but it seems to me that the other students are more used to being unable to control things. Maybe that's what the sims are for, maybe it's a power level difference, I dunno. I guess it's not that she assumes awful things about Jack/people as that the Annie that gets taken by surprise is a bit of a mean-souled person. *insert shrug here*
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Post by keef on Dec 18, 2014 12:13:24 GMT
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Post by Per on Dec 18, 2014 18:51:47 GMT
Do people usually get maturity credit for not hitting on people they fancy? I reckon it's usually one of:
1) "Like you'd have a chance with $himher anyway, $heshe is way out of your league. The best thing that can be said about you is that you know your place", or
2) "Denying your feelings and those of $himher shows you're a cold selfish asshole who could probably stand to be smacked around a bit."
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Post by gary on Dec 19, 2014 0:40:23 GMT
Do people usually get maturity credit for not hitting on people they fancy? I reckon it's usually one of: 1) "Like you'd have a chance with $himher anyway, $heshe is way out of your league. The best thing that can be said about you is that you know your place", or 2) "Denying your feelings and those of $himher shows you're a cold selfish asshole who could probably stand to be smacked around a bit." You have an uncomfortably dark view of human interactions. Nobody I've ever met would jump to 'you should be beaten' or 'at least you realise you're the scum you're clearly are' as responses to other people's romantic interests. But yes, I think not hitting on a crush who is a) taken and b) clearly not interested is generally viewed positively. Hitting on them might be viewed as bravery but I think there's something to be said for tact and understanding instead. |
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Post by Elysium on Dec 19, 2014 5:22:07 GMT
Do people usually get maturity credit for not hitting on people they fancy? If hitting on said people would bring them even more mental stress than what they already bear, then yes they should, as it is a sign that they put the well being of others before their personal interest. |
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Post by hifranc on Dec 19, 2014 6:05:47 GMT
I've been thinking of why Jenny looks so much like Zimmy. I'm going to make a prediction about what we're going to find out:
When she was younger, Jenny was given the opportunity and/or obligation to change her appearance. She requested the form that would be most appealing to the love of her life. She may even have been warned why the form was most appealing to him but chose it anyway.
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Post by Ophel on Dec 19, 2014 14:03:06 GMT
I've been thinking of why Jenny looks so much like Zimmy. I'm going to make a prediction about what we're going to find out: When she was younger, Jenny was given the opportunity and/or obligation to change her appearance. She requested the form that would be most appealing to the love of her life. She may even have been warned why the form was most appealing to him but chose it anyway. Well, quite possibly, since she has Wiccan background. Still, tragedy would strike if that relationship doesn't work out anyway. |
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Post by luxanima on Jan 19, 2015 14:37:49 GMT
The main thing that bugs me about this page is that I can´t figure out if she´s just thinking how unusual their relationship is or, if maybe, she´s rethinking her past relationship or her current/future ones? Anyone got an idea?
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jan 19, 2015 15:22:05 GMT
The main thing that bugs me about this page is that I can´t figure out if she´s just thinking how unusual their relationship is or, if maybe, she´s rethinking her past relationship or her current/future ones? Anyone got an idea? Yes, there were a number of ideas in this thread. IMO: Annie has been trying to figure out if she has romantic feelings towards anyone. Many in this forum think that Annie is asexual. If that is true, then it may take a number of confusing attempts at romantic relationships for her to realize that she just isn't into other people that way. |
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Post by luxanima on Jan 19, 2015 15:55:36 GMT
The main thing that bugs me about this page is that I can´t figure out if she´s just thinking how unusual their relationship is or, if maybe, she´s rethinking her past relationship or her current/future ones? Anyone got an idea? Yes, there were a number of ideas in this thread. IMO: Annie has been trying to figure out if she has romantic feelings towards anyone. Many in this forum think that Annie is asexual. If that is true, then it may take a number of confusing attempts at romantic relationships for her to realize that she just isn't into other people that way. I've read through the whole thread, but I was thinking something that I haven's seen anyone mention. It's that maybe she has feelings for someone but that someone is taken (Kat perhaps?) and now she realized that shouldn't hold her back to pursue other relationships (Renard?) But I'm not sure if that's right, and that's why I'm asking. Also, I can't remember everything that happened to Antimony, so I might've forgot something, something more analogous to Jack's situation. You know, I've never thought Annie was asexual. I might've entertained the thought, but nothing more. I kinda have the feeling the author is unsure what to do with her and/or is saving it (the second seems much more likely, as it seems Tom is very thought-out about his story). She's the protagonist, she should have some big love, or at least a big tragedy that will teach the readers something truly special. Plus, who would be a good match for her? I can't think of anything that would make for a good story. Hopefully Tom can. But I must admit, the asexual thing would be original, but considering how much love is in this strip, it's hard to think he would go for that angle. I think she loves a lot of people, just no-one in a romantic way so far. There was some friction with Renard and Jack, but Jack is off the list, iirc it was a case of him liking her and not the other way around. And there was that time with Reynardine when Kat told them to stop tiptoeing around each other (can't find the exact page). Although that was probably just infatuation. But at least it shows she can have those kind of feelings, I guess? Reynardine is the safest bet, but it's somehow too obvious, plus it might be more of a parent-child kinda relationship, and the don't seem to "fit", imo. It could be a character that we haven't been introduced yet... But the problem with that is that you have to warm up the audience for someone new after 50 chapters of established, well loved characters and have him (her? it?) beat them (in a better-relationship-material-kinda way). |
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Post by warrl on Jan 20, 2015 1:25:01 GMT
The main thing that bugs me about this page is that I can´t figure out if she´s just thinking how unusual their relationship is or, if maybe, she´s rethinking her past relationship or her current/future ones? Anyone got an idea? Yes, there were a number of ideas in this thread. IMO: Annie has been trying to figure out if she has romantic feelings towards anyone. Many in this forum think that Annie is asexual. If that is true, then it may take a number of confusing attempts at romantic relationships for her to realize that she just isn't into other people that way. Don't confuse asexual and aromantic. In the comic Girls with Slingshots there are two women who are very much in love with each other, but one is bisexual (at least) and the other is asexual. One way they make it work is that every so often they go out to a bar and work together to get the bisexual one a sex-partner for the night. |
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Post by OGRuddawg on Jan 20, 2015 3:45:23 GMT
I think Annie is just in an awkward phase (this is the teenage years we are talking about...). She has obviously had physical and/or romantic feelings for Kamlen, so I doubt she is asexual or aromantic in a strict sense. I think she is just reserved and still figuring out how to express her feelings. Remember, she hasn't had much experience with kids her own age, only leaving the hospital at age 12-ish.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 20, 2015 9:32:38 GMT
My high school was a bit similar in that the faculty tended to make arrangements for their kids to socialize together like Anj put Kat with Annie. It was a small place and kids who were scholarships, legacies, or in the destined-to-wear-the-dog-collar fast trak tended to get isolated. Making those friends made it easier for us to make other friends; likewise we've seen Antimony having an easier time socializing since she and Kat have been hanging out with Paz. However, neither of those two are very outgoing (I guess Paz hangs out with animals mostly) and Parsmitt are older and hang out with each other and their older friends and not the [loser] underclassmen. The Annie in the Forest stuff forced her to hang out with bunches of Forest dudes and work/socialize with them in group settings, as well as introduced An to that remarkable social lubricant, alcohol. Romantic entanglements are just another form or socializing so I have no doubt we'll see more success/complexity with her next one and her further friend-making. Soon she'll make friends with Miss Push Up Bra and she'll have more friends than she knows what to do with.
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Post by philman on Jan 20, 2015 11:47:42 GMT
I just don't think we've met the character that Annie is destined to have something with yet. She has the best friend relationship with Kat, the father-daughter thing with Renard (I find it kind of creepy when people try to ship those two), the almost-but-not-quite thing with Jack, the crush on the forest guy. I don't know, I just can't see someone obvious. If it was going to be the forest guy then Tom would have put it in the main comic surely, since that would be a major plot point. Jack is still a possibility, there is a lot of weird stuff still to come with Jack/Jenny/Zimmy I am sure. And Kat, I just think their relationship works better if they are just friends rather than shipped.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jan 20, 2015 23:55:01 GMT
I just don't think we've met the character that Annie is destined to have something with yet. She has the best friend relationship with Kat, the father-daughter thing with Renard (I find it kind of creepy when people try to ship those two), the almost-but-not-quite thing with Jack, the crush on the forest guy. I don't know, I just can't see someone obvious. Possibly one of the gray blobby shapes in the background of Antimony's class will come into focus as a boy who's been there in the background all along. |
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Post by Daedalus on Jan 21, 2015 6:50:09 GMT
the father-daughter thing with Renard (I find it kind of creepy when people try to ship those two) I really like the dynamic they have, where they care for and support each other unconditionally. I don't particularly see it as father-daughter, though. I would support/ship a romantic relationship there, but not a sexual one (for obvious reasons). Although they could adopt a couple werewolf children, I suppose. Might circumvent the problems with Antimony having children quite neatly. |
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Post by philman on Jan 21, 2015 8:28:46 GMT
I think it's evolved into a more father daughter one, perhaps shared between Renard and Eglamore as we saw them meeting together in the Hetty chapter, I think both of them feel like they try to look after her as her real father appears to have abandoned her. In any case I'd feel uncomfortable if it evolved romantically, not all male/female good friends have to get romantically entangled!
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Post by OGRuddawg on Jan 21, 2015 8:38:23 GMT
Yeah I definitely do not ship Renard and Annie. It would just seem like an unnatural change in their relationship, and I doubt Renard is the kind of creature that would get romantically involved with the daughter of someone he still loves. If he showed romantic interest in Annie, Renard wouldn't make a habit of calling her "child" on a regular basis. That indicates more of a caregiver/fatherly love than romantic love for Annie, at least to me.
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Post by keef on Jan 21, 2015 9:48:49 GMT
I think it's evolved into a more father daughter one, perhaps shared between Renard and Eglamore as we saw them meeting together in the Hetty chapter, I think both of them feel like they try to look after her as her real father appears to have abandoned her. In any case I'd feel uncomfortable if it evolved romantically, not all male/female good friends have to get romantically entangled! She seems to have that effect on guys, even Ysengrin. But I agree, a romantic relation with Rey would be weird. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jan 21, 2015 12:04:32 GMT
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Post by OGRuddawg on Jan 21, 2015 14:43:21 GMT
Get back in your Jelly Belly bag.
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Post by Daedalus on Jan 21, 2015 16:04:32 GMT
Revisions, after reflection and sleep  the father-daughter thing with Renard (I find it kind of creepy when people try to ship those two) I really like the dynamic they have, where they care for and support each other unconditionally. I don't particularly see it as father-daughter, though. EDIT: actually I'd like to rescind this. I'd forgotten some things that an archive binge reminded me of.
It certainly has evolved into a father-daughter relationship as philman said.
(Please accept my apologies, philman-sama.)I would support/ship a romantic relationship there, but not a sexual one (for obvious reasons). EDIT: clarification - I don't think there will ever be a romance there, and I think Tom has made that clear.
But I would not have been opposed if he had done so earlier in the comic, certainly before Ch43.Although they could adopt a couple werewolf children, I suppose. ...I stand by this headcanon though. I love that movie.
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Post by luxanima on Jan 21, 2015 18:32:46 GMT
I really like the dynamic they have, where they care for and support each other unconditionally. Unconditionally? I doubt it if he killed someone again (for no good reason, at least). Or if she... dunno, can't think of an example. But you get my meaning. |
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