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Post by panecillo on Dec 10, 2014 15:04:56 GMT
Me, I'm concerned about the effect this will have on the robot denizens. The angel Katerina has manifested in her full glory and cruelly rebuked the Seraphs. What will robot society make of this? Will they even understand what offended Kat so? If they don't get it, what mistaken impression will they discern from this display of divine disfavor, and what chaos will ensue therefrom? And what does Robot make of all this? I risk sounding like an ignorant robot denizen saying this, but, I don't get it. I understand she disliked the seraphs before this incident, and that shes annoyed for the sudden intrusion, even for the fact that they threatened Paz, but she seems too angry for just that. Is because of the violence happening out there? When does she realize that? All that the ship say was that the student's have banded with the robots to head towards Zimmy. Is because she blame then for making her kill the whale thing? That seems more plausible to me. Besides, they showed her a way to progress in her research, no way she is going to trow that away. |
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Post by alpacalypse on Dec 10, 2014 15:06:50 GMT
So if Paz were to end up marrying Kat, does she become the goddess herself or something, like with royalty? And would she be able to transform like Kat, or would she be able to do her own thing, what with the talking to animals. I can't think of situations in myths with a lesbian god/not god pairing. This is a legitimite academic question here guys.
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Post by stef1987 on Dec 10, 2014 16:03:49 GMT
Just thinking: I don't think Kat killed the whaleship, I think she just destroyed the flesh stuff, but the ship itself is still more or less intact (and even if it isn't, then it probably was already died because of only beeing half changed into flesh, either way, I don't think she killed it) So if Paz were to end up marrying Kat, does she become the goddess herself or something, like with royalty? And would she be able to transform like Kat, or would she be able to do her own thing, what with the talking to animals. I can't think of situations in myths with a lesbian god/not god pairing. This is a legitimite academic question here guys. What?? like royalty? what are you talking about? |
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Post by atteSmythe on Dec 10, 2014 16:21:04 GMT
Wow, I'll be the first to admit that I was way off! Using electricity to destroy the proto-biomechanical whale body, it is!
It's not murder - so far as we know, there was no transfer of consciousness. It also looked quite dead to begin with, IMO. It's probably best not to leave that lying around for further seraph shenanigans.
I'm worried for Paz. That's a lot to take in!
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Post by machival on Dec 10, 2014 16:22:56 GMT
Well, I didn't see that coming. Robot will surely see this transfiguration as nothing less than the full presence of the divine touching the earth. And if the seraph in the second to last panel is any indication, it seems like even they view this with religious significance.
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Post by ctso74 on Dec 10, 2014 16:31:13 GMT
I'll confess that I'm more concerned about Kat's (from what we can tell) killing the "whale" than about her apparent transformation. I think the AI was already back in its pre-Zimmy place, and the "whale" wasn't unconscious, but limp and useless. Kat was trying to destroy the flesh with current, similar to what happened in her shop. Her temporary Reveal may be an unnoticed accident. Me, I'm concerned about the effect this will have on the robot denizens. The angel Katerina has manifested in her full glory and cruelly rebuked the Seraphs. What will robot society make of this? Will they even understand what offended Kat so? If they don't get it, what mistaken impression will they discern from this display of divine disfavor, and what chaos will ensue therefrom? And what does Robot make of all this? Learn what they can, I guess. Perhaps, Kat's fury is more about the Seraphs acting like Diego. The threatening of Paz is both fuel for Her fury and possible confirmation of the Seraphs Diego-like behavior. |
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Post by panecillo on Dec 10, 2014 16:51:26 GMT
I haven't tought it that way, I like that aproach. |
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Post by Daedalus on Dec 10, 2014 17:07:36 GMT
Now I guess, deriving from the standard rules of calling it, Daedalus has earned a moon-sized cookie.  (bow) well thank you. But there's lots of things that could still happen to throw my theory way off track. Which did not stop me from cackling with glee when today's page came out (and thereby waking my roommates). Shame we can't see her face, always wondered about the "cracked" skull.  I think the face is not yet cracked - check out Kat's forehead today versus the other one. Technically Robot called it first so...  Which is why I have "Organic Prophet" as my status but I'm actually third: Tom called it first, heh. |
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Post by agentletrush on Dec 10, 2014 17:16:42 GMT
Casting down the robotic seraphim? That's how you get the robot devil. ... This one probably won't sing, though. Actually, in some sense, the seraphim could be thought of as being in rebellion against their god, so it could go either way. Anyone else wondering if this was the seraphim's intended outcome all along? That the ship being made real thing was just a way to get Kat into connection with an ether-siphon and reality-warp HOLY CRAP This is why Zimmy was scared to get near her; she's afraid she'll accidentally set Kat off! Yeah, my first thought was that this was the plan all along. It makes sense as a motivation, I think. |
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Post by aaroncampbell on Dec 10, 2014 17:20:19 GMT
So what exactly does Paz reaction look like to you all? /ᶜᵒ/ ˢᵉᵉᵐˢ ᵗᵒ ᵗʰᶦᶰᵏ ᵈʳᵃᵐᵃ ᶦˢ ᶜᵒᵐᶦᶰᵍ That awkward moment when you realize your girlfriend is some kind of mecha-Goddess. Surely we've all been there. Actually I just had a sad moment when I re-read the page as if Paz was thinking Kat was speaking to her. It's ends up reading like this whole scene in reverse. Paz and Kat are not in a relationship Kat electrocutes weird purple muscle-and-robotic-bone structure, which explodes Kat is very angry Paz kisses Kat Romantic relationship achievement unlocked Obviously I don't think Paz thinks she's the one being spoken to, but this has still gotta be weird for her. Even discounting this new Kat-transformation bit, she has to decide how to process the fact that her girlfriend has some issues that she could use help dealing with. Good thing she's not afraid to stand up for those she cares about. |
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Post by CoyoteReborn on Dec 10, 2014 18:01:59 GMT
I'm sure Coyote is somewhere watching and licking his crotch (suggestive eyebrow wiggle) I heard my name? |
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Post by SilverbackRon on Dec 10, 2014 18:36:11 GMT
I'll confess that I'm more concerned about Kat's (from what we can tell) killing the "whale" than about her apparent transformation. I think the AI was already back in its pre-Zimmy place, and the "whale" wasn't unconscious, but limp and useless. Kat was trying to destroy the flesh with current, similar to what happened in her shop. Her temporary Reveal may be an unnoticed accident. Me, I'm concerned about the effect this will have on the robot denizens. The angel Katerina has manifested in her full glory and cruelly rebuked the Seraphs. What will robot society make of this? Will they even understand what offended Kat so? If they don't get it, what mistaken impression will they discern from this display of divine disfavor, and what chaos will ensue therefrom? And what does Robot make of all this? Learn what they can, I guess. Perhaps, Kat's fury is more about the Seraphs acting like Diego. The threatening of Paz is both fuel for Her fury and possible confirmation of the Seraphs Diego-like behavior. Agreed. I think in the final panel of the previous page, Kat the student was trying to destroy the flesh experiment with electricity, and on today's first panel Kat the Robo-goddess did exactly that on a Divine level. I am pretty sure Kat will revert to normal (someone suggested unconscious) and won't remember having done anything supernatural. Paz will be waking her up "how did you do that?!" and Kat will be confused "well, when you strip the wires from a lamp, you get a direct current..." |
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Post by Toloc on Dec 10, 2014 19:05:07 GMT
*Flashback* Nearly a year ago: According to Coyote gods are created when human minds enter the ether upon death. Therefore for Kat to become a god a conscience that believes in Kat's godhood needs to die. Coyote says that this ability is exclusive to humans. If he is right remains to be seen. May be relevant: page 898. You see how easily she gave live And how easily she took it away. Speculation: Was ship taken to the ether? Did that trigger Kat's change? If so, who took it? Who decided they deal with former electrical appliances after all? |
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Post by Señor Goose on Dec 10, 2014 19:23:04 GMT
There's our girl. I was wondering when that was going to make a reappearence.
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Post by Daedalus on Dec 10, 2014 19:24:26 GMT
There's our girl. I was wondering when that was going to make a reappearence. Ah! Haven't seen you around for a while!  |
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Post by Señor Goose on Dec 10, 2014 19:28:03 GMT
you get a direct current..." Alternating current, but, go on. |
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Post by thedoctor on Dec 10, 2014 21:09:45 GMT
(glare) In other news, it seems Kat used a lamp cord to spawn a lightning storm. Huh. And I assume this is a temporary vision, not a permanent transmutation for Kat? I don't think it's a vision or a transmutation. It's certainly not permanent though. My theory is that in this case, Robot!Kat's appearance is physical and made from the remains of the whaleship. Within a few pages, the shell is going to fall apart revealing a very unconscious Kat. The TL;DR version of what I think happened is Ether + freshly killed whaleship + close proximity to every robot who believes in Kat = perfect storm for the weirdness that just happened Sidenote, when you capitalized ether, I accidentally read it as Esther. SO CONFUSED! |
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Post by pxc on Dec 10, 2014 21:13:58 GMT
I hope this is more than a passing transformation. The possibilities are exciting. I don't mean permanent, just longer than a few wispy seconds of it.
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Post by stef1987 on Dec 10, 2014 21:21:11 GMT
Was ship taken to the ether? Did that trigger Kat's change? If so, who took it? Who decided they deal with former electrical appliances after all? doubt it, also, Annie would have seen it |
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Post by keef on Dec 10, 2014 21:53:45 GMT
So what exactly does Paz reaction look like to you all? Or what will she say? Now that's gone and torn it... the foreboding that the chapter title is referring to Kat and Paz's relationship returns with a vengance. NO!! But Paz is obviously shocked.. On the house? Speculation: Was ship taken to the ether? Did that trigger Kat's change? That seems likely, but not so much taken as kicked in to the ether 'I don't ever want to see you again' Not a clue, but maybe the ship itself becomes the Psychopomp for the robots. |
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Post by alpacalypse on Dec 10, 2014 21:53:49 GMT
So if Paz were to end up marrying Kat, does she become the goddess herself or something, like with royalty? And would she be able to transform like Kat, or would she be able to do her own thing, what with the talking to animals. I can't think of situations in myths with a lesbian god/not god pairing. This is a legitimite academic question here guys. What?? like royalty? what are you talking about? Well like how when Kate Middleton married Prince William, she went from commoner to the Duchess of Cambridge. Now I don't think Kate would ever gain the title of Queen, but in regards to Paz, how will/do the robots view her in her relationship with Kat? As for how they currently view her, it seems that the robots, or at least the Seraphs, didn't really recognize their relationship or just don't understand it, otherwise I think they would have targeted Paz specifically to get Kat to make Whale-ship. With more concrete evidence of their relationship (for the robots to see), will they view her as a goddess of sorts and worship her the same as Kat, or just still as a friend like Annie, or even this meddling normal human interfering with their Goddess. And how will Paz feel about Kat being an actual goddess, or whatever. We've seen that powerful beings like Coyote can give powers to others, could Kat possibly do the same with Paz, even if accidental. I may be reaching a bit with this line of questioning, but I think that how the robots end up viewing Paz (and lets be honest, Kat) after all this might really change things up a bit. |
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Post by Chrome on Dec 10, 2014 22:19:02 GMT
Been ages since I posted here last. Anyways - this entire chapter has been nothing but utterly freaking awesome. And this...daaaang. Also I'm surprised nobody has noticed some similarities between this chapter and a certain classic computer game. How many of you were around when the System Shock series came out? Tom you sly dog... Anyways if most of you are too young or don't know what I'm talking about, go ahead and wikipedia System Shock. Within System Shock, take a look at the AI named SHODAN. Especially pictures of her face. I'll sit over here and wait while you guys connect some dots.  |
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Post by keef on Dec 10, 2014 22:43:44 GMT
Been ages since I posted here last. Welcome back! Hmm There are some superficial similarities. Of course she has no bird on her head, or does she.. |
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Post by AluK on Dec 10, 2014 23:24:56 GMT
Grand Cenobite Kat kinda looks like what you'd get if you mixed Elesh Norn with Jin-Gitaxias. All hail the leader of the Machine Orthodoxy.
All Will Be One ɸ
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Dec 10, 2014 23:43:55 GMT
Anyone else wondering if this was the seraphim's intended outcome all along? That the ship being made real thing was just a way to get Kat into connection with an ether-siphon and reality-warp Yeah, my first thought was that this was the plan all along. It makes sense as a motivation, I think. Accelerate your Creator's elevation to godhood, and then get banished for doing it... "It was worth it" |
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Post by machival on Dec 11, 2014 0:54:34 GMT
What?? like royalty? what are you talking about? Well like how when Kate Middleton married Prince William, she went from commoner to the Duchess of Cambridge. Now I don't think Kate would ever gain the title of Queen, but in regards to Paz, how will/do the robots view her in her relationship with Kat? As for how they currently view her, it seems that the robots, or at least the Seraphs, didn't really recognize their relationship or just don't understand it, otherwise I think they would have targeted Paz specifically to get Kat to make Whale-ship. With more concrete evidence of their relationship (for the robots to see), will they view her as a goddess of sorts and worship her the same as Kat, or just still as a friend like Annie, or even this meddling normal human interfering with their Goddess. And how will Paz feel about Kat being an actual goddess, or whatever. We've seen that powerful beings like Coyote can give powers to others, could Kat possibly do the same with Paz, even if accidental. I may be reaching a bit with this line of questioning, but I think that how the robots end up viewing Paz (and lets be honest, Kat) after all this might really change things up a bit. I don't think the robots would venerate Paz for her connection to their angel. Annie has been at pivotal moments in the robot religion (such as the resurrection of the first generation robot and Kat's assessment of Diego's character) but it's quite clear that most robots treat her like a bystander. The most she's ever gotten in terms of attention from the robots is the Seraphs wearing hard hats and Robot calling her mommy back in the day. I think the robots would assess Paz in a similar fashion, determining her to be little more than a bystander who happens to witness the angel's miracles. |
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Post by fish on Dec 11, 2014 1:13:33 GMT
Well like how when Kate Middleton married Prince William, she went from commoner to the Duchess of Cambridge. Now I don't think Kate would ever gain the title of Queen, but in regards to Paz, how will/do the robots view her in her relationship with Kat? As for how they currently view her, it seems that the robots, or at least the Seraphs, didn't really recognize their relationship or just don't understand it, otherwise I think they would have targeted Paz specifically to get Kat to make Whale-ship. With more concrete evidence of their relationship (for the robots to see), will they view her as a goddess of sorts and worship her the same as Kat, or just still as a friend like Annie, or even this meddling normal human interfering with their Goddess. And how will Paz feel about Kat being an actual goddess, or whatever. We've seen that powerful beings like Coyote can give powers to others, could Kat possibly do the same with Paz, even if accidental. I may be reaching a bit with this line of questioning, but I think that how the robots end up viewing Paz (and lets be honest, Kat) after all this might really change things up a bit. I don't think the robots would venerate Paz for her connection to their angel. Annie has been at pivotal moments in the robot religion (such as the resurrection of the first generation robot and Kat's assessment of Diego's character) but it's quite clear that most robots treat her like a bystander. The most she's ever gotten in terms of attention from the robots is the Seraphs wearing hard hats and Robot calling her mommy back in the day. I think the robots would assess Paz in a similar fashion, determining her to be little more than a bystander who happens to witness the angel's miracles. While I think this is true and agree with you here, don't forget the robots' obsession with the subject of "love". Annie's relationship with Kat has always been that of a friend. Kat and Paz, however, are in love. This love was even "worth" the first "death" of a robot (the wing). So there might be more in store for Paz in the future. |
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Post by Mylian on Dec 11, 2014 4:28:06 GMT
And this is why they call it being in the Mad Place. A genius in the act of creation is an unpredictable thing.
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Post by The Anarch on Dec 11, 2014 4:34:26 GMT
Also I'm surprised nobody has noticed some similarities between this chapter and a certain classic computer game. |
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Post by alpacalypse on Dec 11, 2014 5:13:35 GMT
I don't think the robots would venerate Paz for her connection to their angel. Annie has been at pivotal moments in the robot religion (such as the resurrection of the first generation robot and Kat's assessment of Diego's character) but it's quite clear that most robots treat her like a bystander. The most she's ever gotten in terms of attention from the robots is the Seraphs wearing hard hats and Robot calling her mommy back in the day. I think the robots would assess Paz in a similar fashion, determining her to be little more than a bystander who happens to witness the angel's miracles. While I think this is true and agree with you here, don't forget the robots' obsession with the subject of "love". Annie's relationship with Kat has always been that of a friend. Kat and Paz, however, are in love. This love was even "worth" the first "death" of a robot (the wing). So there might be more in store for Paz in the future. What if they view her in a savior type role? It could be said that she saved Kat from the Ship. She was with Kat during the whole ordeal and did bring Lindsey which helped return back reality. And I think at this point we might have to start making a difference between the Seraphs and rest of robot society when discussing the robots, since the Robot King clearly wasn't on board with the Ship and the Seraphs. The Seraphs have shown little (at least as I can tell) interest in love the same way the other robots have. |
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