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Post by alpacalypse on Dec 5, 2014 15:43:46 GMT
You get a Spanish lesson. You get a Spanish lesson. Everybody gets a Spanish lesson!!!! Attachments:
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Post by pxc on Dec 5, 2014 16:46:52 GMT
What did Paz do that was a threat? The robots, students, and Rey took down the sailorbots, rescued Zimmy, and destroyed the buoys. Paz and Lindsey didn't enter the picture until after the ship had already changed back, the job was done. I guess her actions took courage or whatever but ultimately it was unnecessary. It would've made more of an impact if she'd gone to get Lindsey sooner. Seems shoe-horned in to me.
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Post by Aurelia Verity on Dec 5, 2014 17:07:12 GMT
What did Paz do that was a threat? The robots, students, and Rey took down the sailorbots, rescued Zimmy, and destroyed the buoys. Paz and Lindsey didn't enter the picture until after the ship had already changed back, the job was done. I guess her actions took courage or whatever but ultimately it was unnecessary. It would've made more of an impact if she'd gone to get Lindsey sooner. Seems shoe-horned in to me. I am assuming that the robots have somehow incapacitated Lindsey in the water, seeing as how she did not interfere during the robot shenanigans even though her students were in danger. Likely the ship in some way controlled her mind or trapped her. She was not freed when the siphons blew so only Paz, with her ability to talk to animals and knowledge of animal biology could have successfully communicated with Lindsay without the help of a computer and woken her. and she could have only reached her in the water once the etheric illusions were getting wobbly so she couldn't have done it earlier. I think the overall point of the chapter is that here everyone used their talents in equal measure to defeat a common foe. not one of them could have done it alone. Paz was offended because her abilities were deigned lower by the robots than the abilities of others. but in the end controlling fire and talking to animals were equally valuable. she's not a Big Damn Hero coming in to save everyone but her contribution was as important as the contribution of others and i think that was the point. |
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Post by Daedalus on Dec 5, 2014 17:13:14 GMT
Why would that remove the accent? Because it's not an interrogative "qué" ("what"). If you put an accent on that sentence, it would change the meaning to "What I'm not a threat?" which makes no sense. I can't really explain it well enough since I don't know the correct terminology to explain the Spanish language in English, but as I said, in this case the "que" changes what would mean "I'm not a threat?" (¿No soy una amenaza?) into "so I'm not a threat, huh?" (¿Que no soy una amenaza?) I know about the interrogative; the second half here makes sense, thanks. I chatted with my native speaker friends, and although they said they'd heard it before (I hadn't) they don't use it often, and would personally have removed the 'que'. Possibly this is not commonly used in Mexico-region Spanish? Idk. Either way, thank you for clarification. |
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Post by machival on Dec 5, 2014 17:13:28 GMT
Paz reminds me of Jones in that last panel.
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Post by thedoctor on Dec 5, 2014 17:33:47 GMT
What did Paz do that was a threat? The robots, students, and Rey took down the sailorbots, rescued Zimmy, and destroyed the buoys. Paz and Lindsey didn't enter the picture until after the ship had already changed back, the job was done. I guess her actions took courage or whatever but ultimately it was unnecessary. It would've made more of an impact if she'd gone to get Lindsey sooner. Seems shoe-horned in to me. I am assuming that the robots have somehow incapacitated Lindsey in the water, seeing as how she did not interfere during the robot shenanigans even though her students were in danger. Likely the ship in some way controlled her mind or trapped her. She was not freed when the siphons blew so only Paz, with her ability to talk to animals and knowledge of animal biology could have successfully communicated with Lindsay without the help of a computer and woken her. and she could have only reached her in the water once the etheric illusions were getting wobbly so she couldn't have done it earlier. I think the overall point of the chapter is that here everyone used their talents in equal measure to defeat a common foe. not one of them could have done it alone. Paz was offended because her abilities were deigned lower by the robots than the abilities of others. but in the end controlling fire and talking to animals were equally valuable. she's not a Big Damn Hero coming in to save everyone but her contribution was as important as the contribution of others and i think that was the point. Specifically, I'm pretty sure it's been said before that Lindsey can't see too well outside of water and/or the ether. Paz, I think, was her eyes in this escapade. Also, Action Paz TM is totally awesome, but I feel like there was something wrong with the physics of Lindsey's landing. Specifically, if Lindsey came down that violently onto the roof of the ship, shouldn't Paz have been thrown off/crushed against the spine she was holding onto? Not a big deal, just wondering. |
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Post by machival on Dec 5, 2014 17:43:04 GMT
I am assuming that the robots have somehow incapacitated Lindsey in the water, seeing as how she did not interfere during the robot shenanigans even though her students were in danger. Likely the ship in some way controlled her mind or trapped her. She was not freed when the siphons blew so only Paz, with her ability to talk to animals and knowledge of animal biology could have successfully communicated with Lindsay without the help of a computer and woken her. and she could have only reached her in the water once the etheric illusions were getting wobbly so she couldn't have done it earlier. I think the overall point of the chapter is that here everyone used their talents in equal measure to defeat a common foe. not one of them could have done it alone. Paz was offended because her abilities were deigned lower by the robots than the abilities of others. but in the end controlling fire and talking to animals were equally valuable. she's not a Big Damn Hero coming in to save everyone but her contribution was as important as the contribution of others and i think that was the point. Specifically, I'm pretty sure it's been said before that Lindsey can't see too well outside of water and/or the ether. Paz, I think, was her eyes in this escapade. Also, Action Paz TM is totally awesome, but I feel like there was something wrong with the physics of Lindsey's landing. Specifically, if Lindsey came down that violently onto the roof of the ship, shouldn't Paz have been thrown off/crushed against the spine she was holding onto? Not a big deal, just wondering. Well, based on how lindsey came down, if Paz lost her grip she would have probably been thrown into the ocean, not crushed against anything. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1439Although it looks like lindsey should have been able to catch Paz, or fetch her, if she fell off. |
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Post by pxc on Dec 5, 2014 17:51:40 GMT
Pretty shaky reasoning IMO. Seems like simple fan service.
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Post by atteSmythe on Dec 5, 2014 18:05:21 GMT
What did Paz do that was a threat? The robots, students, and Rey took down the sailorbots, rescued Zimmy, and destroyed the buoys. Paz and Lindsey didn't enter the picture until after the ship had already changed back, the job was done. I guess her actions took courage or whatever but ultimately it was unnecessary. It would've made more of an impact if she'd gone to get Lindsey sooner. Seems shoe-horned in to me. Lindsey broke the window, allowing the rain to touch Zimmy and end the event. Even though the siphons had been destroyed, everything was still warped as long as Zimmy was overheated. The seraphs were charging in to secure her again when Lindsey broke the window. Paz's role was to reach Lindsey and let her know what the plan was. Even if Lindsey had charged in on her own, would she have known where Zimmy was, or what needed to be done to end the reality distortion? |
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Post by nero on Dec 5, 2014 18:20:18 GMT
Panel 5 is my favorite and it seems so familiar. I guess if Lindsey didn't break the roof then they would just have to rush Zimmy outside the ship before she was grabbed.
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Post by pxc on Dec 5, 2014 20:26:12 GMT
What did Paz do that was a threat? The robots, students, and Rey took down the sailorbots, rescued Zimmy, and destroyed the buoys. Paz and Lindsey didn't enter the picture until after the ship had already changed back, the job was done. I guess her actions took courage or whatever but ultimately it was unnecessary. It would've made more of an impact if she'd gone to get Lindsey sooner. Seems shoe-horned in to me. Lindsey broke the window, allowing the rain to touch Zimmy and end the event. Even though the siphons had been destroyed, everything was still warped as long as Zimmy was overheated. The seraphs were charging in to secure her again when Lindsey broke the window. Paz's role was to reach Lindsey and let her know what the plan was. Even if Lindsey had charged in on her own, would she have known where Zimmy was, or what needed to be done to end the reality distortion? If Annie could destroy the buoys from the bottom of the ocean I think she could handle breaking a glass ceiling. Or they could've guided Zimmy to an outdoor deck. I realize this seems very negative, understand I really enjoy GKC and this episode specifically. This part with Paz though just doesn't fit with the rest of it or add anything, and while I don't dislike Paz (edit: some of) the other characters are a lot more compelling. I hope Tom doesn't get away from what makes this comic great for the sake of ensuring all characters get enough time "on camera". I think the story would've been stronger if we'd actually seen the Zimmy rescue, or the water cascading down suddenly, what it looked like for the ship to morph back into itself, etc. |
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Post by atteSmythe on Dec 5, 2014 20:30:24 GMT
Lindsey broke the window, allowing the rain to touch Zimmy and end the event. Even though the siphons had been destroyed, everything was still warped as long as Zimmy was overheated. The seraphs were charging in to secure her again when Lindsey broke the window. If Annie could destroy the buoys from the bottom of the ocean I think she could handle breaking a glass ceiling. Or they could've guided Zimmy to an outdoor deck. Yeah, she could have, it's a good point. But, she didn't. Paz did, and even if she wasn't indispensable, she still proved a threat. She also distracted Kat and got her to stop advancing the ship's transformation, now that I think of it. She might have been the only one who could do that so successfully. Edit: I do see where you're coming from, and I don't really disagree...but I feel that she did play a role, even if it wasn't the most critical from what we can see right now. Her utility was at least a far cry from the complete, utter dismissal that the robots gave her |
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Post by zimmyzims on Dec 5, 2014 21:13:07 GMT
This page should be easy to translate in the Spanish version  So in the Spanish version does Paz speak English just to keep that enigmatic/exotic quality? Japanese, I believe, is the traditional language to replace Spanish as a foreign language in translations to Spanish. She also distracted Kat and got her to stop advancing the ship's transformation, now that I think of it. She might have been the only one who could do that so successfully. Because aside from animals, she also can communicate with angels. |
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Post by kalechibki on Dec 5, 2014 22:26:55 GMT
first: Yay for sexy Paz. First time I think I've even thought that in all my reading of the comic. Would really love if someone could turn that last panel into avatar icon size.
Second: I'm still most surprised that Zimmy got relief. This rain to me seems much more akin to the false rain of the collectors that drove her bonkers rather than the true rain of relief.
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Post by alpacalypse on Dec 5, 2014 22:37:18 GMT
first: Yay for sexy Paz. First time I think I've even thought that in all my reading of the comic. Would really love if someone could turn that last panel into avatar icon size. Second: I'm still most surprised that Zimmy got relief. This rain to me seems much more akin to the false rain of the collectors that drove her bonkers rather than the true rain of relief. The word bubble kind of gets in the way and I'm not good enough at Paint to get rid of it. But yea, I think this is the first time where I read the comic and went, "dang, she looks hawt." |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Dec 5, 2014 23:48:35 GMT
first: Yay for sexy Paz. First time I think I've even thought that in all my reading of the comic. Would really love if someone could turn that last panel into avatar icon size. Second: I'm still most surprised that Zimmy got relief. This rain to me seems much more akin to the false rain of the collectors that drove her bonkers rather than the true rain of relief. Ask and keef delivers: gunnerkrigg.proboards.com/post/110584/thread |
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Post by Covalent on Dec 6, 2014 2:01:56 GMT
When did Paz end up losing her shoes?
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Post by thedoctor on Dec 6, 2014 2:58:50 GMT
first: Yay for sexy Paz. First time I think I've even thought that in all my reading of the comic. Would really love if someone could turn that last panel into avatar icon size. Second: I'm still most surprised that Zimmy got relief. This rain to me seems much more akin to the false rain of the collectors that drove her bonkers rather than the true rain of relief. Ask and keef delivers: gunnerkrigg.proboards.com/post/110584/threadYikes! Didn't realize it because I was distracted by the Spanish, but Paz's neck looks REALLY long in that picture! I think it might partly be the haircut, but still... This does not detract from her beauty, though! If Annie could destroy the buoys from the bottom of the ocean I think she could handle breaking a glass ceiling. Or they could've guided Zimmy to an outdoor deck. Yeah, she could have, it's a good point. But, she didn't. Paz did, and even if she wasn't indispensable, she still proved a threat. She also distracted Kat and got her to stop advancing the ship's transformation, now that I think of it. She might have been the only one who could do that so successfully. Edit: I do see where you're coming from, and I don't really disagree...but I feel that she did play a role, even if it wasn't the most critical from what we can see right now. Her utility was at least a far cry from the complete, utter dismissal that the robots gave her In addition, it's possible that Lindsey is currently etherically (or physically) restraining the ship, or something like that. This is speculation, but she's got an awful lot of her weight on the ship. If she had just wanted to break the window, she could have used one of her claws instead of her whole body. |
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Post by machival on Dec 6, 2014 5:35:23 GMT
When did Paz end up losing her shoes? She must have lost them during lindsey's boarding maneuver. She has them on here: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1436 but we don't get a decent close up of her again until this page |
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Post by fish on Dec 6, 2014 11:56:29 GMT
I wonder where the seraphs' yellow helmets went. Did they just disintegrate? The seraphs had them on when the transformation started.
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Dec 6, 2014 20:56:42 GMT
El mic drop.
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Post by TBeholder on Dec 7, 2014 0:23:39 GMT
What did Paz do that was a threat? The robots, students, and Rey took down the sailorbots, rescued Zimmy, and destroyed the buoys. Paz and Lindsey didn't enter the picture until after the ship had already changed back, the job was done. I guess her actions took courage or whatever but ultimately it was unnecessary. It would've made more of an impact if she'd gone to get Lindsey sooner. Seems shoe-horned in to me. [...] Paz's role was to reach Lindsey and let her know what the plan was. Even if Lindsey had charged in on her own, would she have known where Zimmy was, or what needed to be done to end the reality distortion? Also? The pertinent question is how eager the other side could be to argue on this particular issue with a lass who just casually jumped off a pincer the size of a small car.  I wonder where the seraphs' yellow helmets went. Did they just disintegrate? The seraphs had them on when the transformation started. Probably lost after the first transformation, when glue on duct tape turned into something more unsavory. |
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Post by machival on Dec 7, 2014 1:36:49 GMT
I wonder where the seraphs' yellow helmets went. Did they just disintegrate? The seraphs had them on when the transformation started. Probably lost after the first transformation, when glue on duct tape turned into something more unsavory. The Duct tape grew white legs and skittered away with the helmets. |
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Post by Per on Dec 7, 2014 8:56:05 GMT
I have to agree with pxc to an extent; the one-liner is delivered as if without Paz the Seraphs would have been still sailing on to victory, and I just don't see that at all.
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Post by keef on Dec 7, 2014 10:54:18 GMT
Welcome pxc and machival I realize this seems very negative.... ... I think the story would've been stronger if we'd actually seen the Zimmy rescue, or the water cascading down suddenly, what it looked like for the ship to morph back into itself, etc The feeling you describe was mentioned before in the last thread, starting here. Probably lost after the first transformation, when glue on duct tape turned into something more unsavory. The Duct tape grew white legs and skittered away with the helmets. Explains everything. |
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Post by panecillo on Dec 7, 2014 12:42:16 GMT
There is something bugging me.
Paz talked to Lindsey underwater?
Can someone explain this to me?
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Post by panecillo on Dec 7, 2014 12:44:01 GMT
I'm still most surprised that Zimmy got relief. This rain to me seems much more akin to the false rain of the collectors that drove her bonkers rather than the true rain of relief. At one point during the chapters, there are clouds forming above the ship, so is real rain. |
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Post by goldenknots on Dec 7, 2014 13:14:20 GMT
There is something bugging me. Paz talked to Lindsey underwater? Can someone explain this to me? Telepathy. |
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Post by panecillo on Dec 7, 2014 13:22:40 GMT
There is something bugging me. Paz talked to Lindsey underwater? Can someone explain this to me? Telepathy. So Lindsey is a telepath? |
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Post by machival on Dec 7, 2014 13:48:45 GMT
So Lindsey is a telepath? We've seen her kiss her husband through the ether, so if we're willing to call "astral projection" telepathy she would be one. Though I'd imagine Paz's ability to talk to animals has telepathic qualities. |
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