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Post by ctso74 on Oct 29, 2014 14:01:21 GMT
Have Robot and the others changed any? Perhaps, they had to be there during the Zimmy Event, in order to change. It would be really interesting to see, if Robot would become equally bird-like, since he has a Kat-made body.
Is this Etheric transformation based on their make, programming, or the buildup of Etheric energies directed at them. There's still so much, about the creation of the robots, that we don't know. Were souls of animals used? The Seed Bismuth?
I agree with others, that they look very Tic-Tocish. But, doesn't Zimmy think of the Tic-Tocs as eyes? More like Stewart bots than individual robots was my impression.
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Post by legion on Oct 29, 2014 14:12:18 GMT
Kat forgot she's effectively in control of a giant polymorphic organic metal thing; just sucker-punch those robots, Kat!
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Post by smjjames on Oct 29, 2014 14:19:18 GMT
We had this discussion before. (twice al least) Based on:  If we look at the way they treated the students recently, I don't buy it. Well, the main difference is that they now have talons with sharp tips and are potentially razor sharp, so they could hurt paz just by grabbing her. As for the ward stuff, I guess it's not technically harming them since they just restrain the powers temporarily. Also, I wonder if they had a plan for removing those ward things later since it takes something stronger than an apprentice sorceress (which has less connotations than witch IMO) to remove them. |
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Post by csj on Oct 29, 2014 14:22:03 GMT
Actually, I'd be very interested to know if these external changes are actually reflecting changes in their programming/processing. If there are hard-coded directives regarding interaction with members of the Court, those might no longer exist if they're given a completely 'new' form.
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Post by goldenknots on Oct 29, 2014 14:43:04 GMT
I love the remark under the comic because I had already thought along similar lines a few pages ago. In contrast to say, nematodes, vertebrates are seriously complicated, and getting an entire body right at the first attempt is quite a different proposition than what Kat wisely chose to do, i.e. carefully experimenting on increasingly complicated limbs. Even if she does her best to create it, it might turn out that the resulting body is not functional because she forgot some important vein / nerve / tendon. Or maybe it will work because magic. That last remark covers it. :) |
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Post by smurfton on Oct 29, 2014 16:23:08 GMT
I just realized that Tom seems to be relying on lots of extreme camera angles in Zimmingham. It's difficult to tell if this was a conscious decision to help convey mood, or a conscious change in art style, or an unconscious change in style. I doubt it's a coincidence though. I reread Spring Heeled, part II recently, and, while the camera angles were not quite as extreme, the camera is definitely acting differently. |
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Post by lit on Oct 29, 2014 18:42:08 GMT
I think the ship is the fool here. It was promised the world, and didn't care if it sold it's soul to get it's desire. I think that the ship, despite appearing to be part of the aggressor, is actually just as much a victim as the students are. Paz seems to have the ship considering a new direction, before Seraph McCreepy decides to intervene again. And more than ever, I hope Kat creates something to destroy the Seraph. This seems likely to me. The seraphs hatched this plan, and duped the ship into complying by suggesting that with a flesh body, it could get the girl. |
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Post by warrl on Oct 29, 2014 20:13:38 GMT
It may have occured to her that at very least the ship needs to be something still capable of floating when the fun ends. I'd favor creating something that appears to meet all requirements but has subtle - but severe - defects. Something like "if it ever goes inverted while immersed, it sinks, permanently". |
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Post by thedoctor on Oct 29, 2014 22:11:24 GMT
Oh dear... These aren't the Seraph units are they? The stewards were at least recognizable, but these ones... Well now, I wonder how this ship would take it if Kat expressed superiority. In truth, shouldn't this angel, she who giveth life etc etc be something to fear for a robot as this? If only things were so easy. Note the eyes and the wings; that's where the resemblance is most visible. The eyes especially. Also, we actually had that discussion about Kat (back in the comments on page 1403 or so); S13's (aka Robot's) followers worship her. These guys are trying to control her into giving them godlike powers. I wonder if there is a reason other than creepiness that both the sailor bots and the Seraphs have such strange posture? The ship could even be crouching the same way, but it didn't start as an upright humanoid form, so it's hard to tell. Also, I'm pretty sure Kat's entire motivation for her last line is Paz's protection, but she's smart enough to make it sound justifiable. The posture looks like an "almost-but-not-quite human" thing. Hunchback shape is sort of a "lower" order of evolution. Also, with all of the pointy parts sticking out fairly far in front of the body, it's a good posture for a predator/something trying to catch something else. Although I think that this is one turkey that you can't just drown in gravy. If the turkey wasn't drowned in gravy, you failed to use enough of it.  I mean they just look like bald birds (featherless). One, two, three, four, f... You aren't a follower of Aristotle by any chance? and all that... Also, Aristotle, what? Is that a golden mean joke? |
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Post by todd on Oct 29, 2014 22:14:40 GMT
I think the ship is the fool here. It was promised the world, and didn't care if it sold it's soul to get it's desire. I think that the ship, despite appearing to be part of the aggressor, is actually just as much a victim as the students are. Paz seems to have the ship considering a new direction, before Seraph McCreepy decides to intervene again. And more than ever, I hope Kat creates something to destroy the Seraph. This seems likely to me. The seraphs hatched this plan, and duped the ship into complying by suggesting that with a flesh body, it could get the girl. But have the Seraphs considered the long-term consequences? After this, they can hardly go back to the Court (short of staging a coup to take over the place). They've as good as condemned themselves to a life of permanent exile - and where will they go? (At least the ship and Lindsey can go off to some remote part of the sea - though the ship's "love" for her would be condemning her to a fugitive existence.) What to do with the students? (Strand them on a desert island? Sell them to some petty dictator with some modified version of the wards to allow him to control them and make them into etheric-powered enforcers of his rule?) And how to keep the Court from coming after them once it's noticed the disappearance of the cruise ship with a year's worth of students on board? The ship at least has its desire for Lindsey to cloud its judgement; what's the case for the Seraphs? (Unless somebody's using them....) |
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Post by todd on Oct 29, 2014 22:16:59 GMT
It may have occured to her that at very least the ship needs to be something still capable of floating when the fun ends. I'd favor creating something that appears to meet all requirements but has subtle - but severe - defects. Something like "if it ever goes inverted while immersed, it sinks, permanently". Unless the Seraphs are clever enough to force Paz to take a ride on the ship's new body until they're satisfied that Kat hasn't included any such tricks. (Not that it might matter that much; I've got the feeling that Kat and Paz's lives won't be worth much once the ship's new body is created. The ship and the Seraphs can't afford to have them telling anyone about this incident.) |
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Post by TBeholder on Oct 30, 2014 9:19:05 GMT
S13's (aka Robot's) followers worship her. These guys are trying to control her into giving them godlike powers. Hence, a little holy war may be in order. If the turkey wasn't drowned in gravy, you failed to use enough of it. and all that... .  Also, Aristotle, what? Is that a golden mean joke? It's "counting a bug's legs" joke. |
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Post by csj on Oct 30, 2014 13:25:35 GMT
Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle,
Hobbes was fond of his dram
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Post by thedoctor on Oct 30, 2014 22:49:33 GMT
S13's (aka Robot's) followers worship her. These guys are trying to control her into giving them godlike powers. Hence, a little holy war may be in order. Yeah, I think that's generally what the consensus on the forum was (it's actually already starting in some sense, given the current circumstances). |
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Post by todd on Oct 30, 2014 23:28:03 GMT
I wonder whether once this is over, Kat will feel tempted to smash all the equipment in her workshop with a tone of "Stupid robot-building experiment! If I hadn't embarked on it, my friends and I wouldn't have been endangered by the ship and Seraphs!"
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Oct 31, 2014 2:09:01 GMT
I wonder whether once this is over, Kat will feel tempted to smash all the equipment in her workshop with a tone of "Stupid robot-building experiment! If I hadn't embarked on it, my friends and I wouldn't have been endangered by the ship and Seraphs!" Possibly. Kat may reconsider a lot of things, but I like to think that one look at the little bots would keep Kat from abandoning the robots.  |
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Post by TBeholder on Oct 31, 2014 5:32:19 GMT
I wonder whether once this is over, Kat will feel tempted to smash all the equipment in her workshop with a tone of "Stupid robot-building experiment! If I hadn't embarked on it, my friends and I wouldn't have been endangered by the ship and Seraphs!" Not really, nothing changed. Kat already seems to do it out of "show them all!" - she needs to prove she can do something better without being as nutty as Diego. In this context Seraphs and loveboat are merely corporeal extensions of Diego's nuttiness. |
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Post by thedoctor on Oct 31, 2014 23:18:41 GMT
I wonder whether once this is over, Kat will feel tempted to smash all the equipment in her workshop with a tone of "Stupid robot-building experiment! If I hadn't embarked on it, my friends and I wouldn't have been endangered by the ship and Seraphs!" Not really, nothing changed. Kat already seems to do it out of "show them all!" - she needs to prove she can do something better without being as nutty as Diego. In this context Seraphs and loveboat are merely corporeal extensions of Diego's nuttiness. Nuttiness...interesting word choice. |
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