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Post by Daedalus on Oct 1, 2014 7:00:22 GMT
Help is on the way!
That can't be the real Gamma, though (unless the previous shot was from a strange angle).
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Post by philman on Oct 1, 2014 7:04:26 GMT
I like how earlier in the chapter some of us thought that there was going to be some division driving Gamma and Zimmy apart, when now it looks like the opposite will happen: After this, Gamma will be terrified of leaving Zimmy's side again! That can't be the real Gamma, though (unless the previous shot was from a strange angle). I don't understand, why not? |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Oct 1, 2014 7:09:42 GMT
But Gamma's been trained to go to that room, maybe she wasn't locked into where she was?
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Post by noone3 on Oct 1, 2014 7:10:26 GMT
Polish your Polish with Antimony Carver.
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Post by TBeholder on Oct 1, 2014 7:13:56 GMT
Help is on the way!
That can't be the real Gamma, though (unless the previous shot was from a strange angle). That's how Annie remembers the first time, and she already imagined pseudo-Kat back then. Yup, looks like this. |
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Post by fwip on Oct 1, 2014 7:15:31 GMT
That can't be the real Gamma, though (unless the previous shot was from a strange angle). Why not, because she's in a different building? I think it's just that last time they entered through the front of the building, while this time, they went round back. |
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Post by Xan on Oct 1, 2014 7:17:15 GMT
If anyone has trouble understanding Annie's phrase, generic knowledge of Slavic languages translates it as:
"Gamma... It's me, Annie"
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Post by Ophel on Oct 1, 2014 7:18:10 GMT
That can't be the real Gamma, though (unless the previous shot was from a strange angle). I don't understand, why not? The previous pages showed that Gamma seems to be in a location without any dolls present. And it doesn't look like the toy store she is tranined to returned to.It also appears that she is unable to move or escape from her previous location. That may be one reason why she was like that in that page. |
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Post by Fishy on Oct 1, 2014 7:40:09 GMT
I dunno, I'd think that if there's a single static thing in this place, it'd definitely be Gamma. At the same time, I'd expect the robots to have taken some precaution against her abilities since they need this place as twisted as it is. I'd wager either Gamma's tagged too, or Zimmy is just secured in such a way that Gamma's abilities won't matter. Either or.
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Post by wingedfoe on Oct 1, 2014 8:42:58 GMT
Aww, Annie's concerned face is so cute.
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Post by eightyfour on Oct 1, 2014 8:43:27 GMT
Gamma might have moved around, too, just like the other kids. There's no reason to suggest she stayed put. On the contrary, Zimmy stated that she would always home in on the toy store when they got separate. We only saw the toy store from one side, this may be the back way in. Also: This is Zimmingham. We should be careful with what kind of rules and logics we apply to this place. It doesn't necessarily have to behave like the real world. Buildings shifting around would be the least of things to be expected here. |
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Post by Lightice on Oct 1, 2014 9:14:27 GMT
I'm rather suspicious of the fact that we're not seeing any of the other kids' faces, nor how Annie and co. actually found them. I still got a feeling that they found what they hoped to find, rather than anything real. Gamma, on the other hand, is probably the real deal -- I think.
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Post by sidhekin on Oct 1, 2014 9:32:14 GMT
I like how you think, but I don't think I agree. If Gamma is real and mister "We won't hurt you!" isn't, I'd expect a GOP.
Could still be several nobodies among them though.
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Post by Gulby on Oct 1, 2014 10:28:43 GMT
I'm rather suspicious of the fact that we're not seeing any of the other kids' faces, nor how Annie and co. actually found them. I still got a feeling that they found what they hoped to find, rather than anything real. Gamma, on the other hand, is probably the real deal -- I think. Exactly the same feeling here. Several pages without seeing at least a face side or eyes... Nobodies are here. And Tom's comment makes me confident that this is the real Gamma. |
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Post by Ophel on Oct 1, 2014 11:01:57 GMT
It's just that, when it comes to these things, more often than not, Gamma ends up being a nobody. Hell, I wouldn't even be surprised id the only one who isn't a nobody is Annie. And even then, I dunno.
I guess guilty until proven innocent with me. Just... I'm preparing to witness worse things to come.
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Post by todd on Oct 1, 2014 11:07:01 GMT
And Annie does indeed seem to have confined her call for help to the robots (plus Reynardine and Shadow2). Let's hope her reason for not telling the adults at the Court was a good one (something like most of them having already left for the summer holidays, or uneasiness about the Court's past tendency to, when morals and expediency clashed, choose expediency) rather than a private grudge over her past clashes with them or fear that they'd investigate the robots' doings that led to the notion of "Creator Kat" and find out that she'd broken Robot out twice (in Chapters One and Twelve) and sent him across the bridge.
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Post by todd on Oct 1, 2014 11:09:07 GMT
Hell, I wouldn't even be surprised id the only one who isn't a nobody is Annie. And even then, I dunno. That last one seems unlikely; a Nobody masquerading as Annie wouldn't be able to communicate with Reynardine through the Blinker Stone. And Annie being the point-of-view character makes the notion of her being a Nobody all the more unlikely - I doubt that Nobodies can actually think and perceive things as people do. |
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Post by Ophel on Oct 1, 2014 12:25:56 GMT
Hell, I wouldn't even be surprised id the only one who isn't a nobody is Annie. And even then, I dunno. That last one seems unlikely; a Nobody masquerading as Annie wouldn't be able to communicate with Reynardine through the Blinker Stone. And Annie being the point-of-view character makes the notion of her being a Nobody all the more unlikely - I doubt that Nobodies can actually think and perceive things as people do. You're right. I'm becoming less rational as this goes on than I realised. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Oct 1, 2014 12:40:13 GMT
I like how you think, but I don't think I agree. If Gamma is real and mister "We won't hurt you!" isn't, I'd expect a GOP.   There must be something I'm missing here... what on earth does GOP have to do with this? Edit: never mind. |
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Post by sidhekin on Oct 1, 2014 12:49:32 GMT
I like how you think, but I don't think I agree. If Gamma is real and mister "We won't hurt you!" isn't, I'd expect a GOP. There must be something I'm missing here... what on earth does GOP have to do with this? Not that GOP.  This GOP.  |
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Post by zimmyzims on Oct 1, 2014 12:50:14 GMT
There must be something I'm missing here... what on earth does GOP have to do with this? Not that GOP. :-P This GOP. Yeah, sorry, couldn't remember, just re-read that chapter a bit and couldn't but notice the "GOP!" Daedalus, arrange a poll: is it Gamma or a nobody? Also maybe alternatives about the others, like: 1. Everybody's real in this happy gathering! 3. Annie solved the puzzle to find Gamma! Unfortunately, she'll "gop up" many of the others around her, they had found nobodies! 3. Annie solved the puzzle to find Gamma! Unfortunately, the reason she's so freaked out is that all others at place are nobodies! 4. At least most of the others are real, but when Annie touches Gamma, "GOP!", and she's gone! 5. Knock knock! Who's there? Nobody. Seriously, there's nobody out here, only... nobodies. |
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Post by ctso74 on Oct 1, 2014 13:18:47 GMT
That last one seems unlikely; a Nobody masquerading as Annie wouldn't be able to communicate with Reynardine through the Blinker Stone. And Annie being the point-of-view character makes the notion of her being a Nobody all the more unlikely - I doubt that Nobodies can actually think and perceive things as people do. You're right. I'm becoming less rational as this goes on than I realised. Or that's just what they want you to think! I'm still hoping for some insight into Zimmy and Gamma (or Zimmy/Gamma), but as the chapter draws longer and longer, it doesn't look like it. |
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Post by freeman on Oct 1, 2014 13:21:11 GMT
I don't know, but I wouldn't stick my face into any narrow concealed gap even in a normal abandoned place, let alone in Zimmingham. Who knows what monsters would be lurking there. At least Jack should be way more cautious. Point of reference: gunnerkrigg.com/?p=463 Look what's happening inside the buildings. |
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Post by atteSmythe on Oct 1, 2014 13:21:25 GMT
This page is gorgeous top to bottom, but those last two panels are amazing. Really fantastic work.
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 1, 2014 13:35:16 GMT
I like how earlier in the chapter some of us thought that there was going to be some division driving Gamma and Zimmy apart, when now it looks like the opposite will happen: After this, Gamma will be terrified of leaving Zimmy's side again! That can't be the real Gamma, though (unless the previous shot was from a strange angle). I don't understand, why not? Because when we saw her location earlier, she appeared to be locked in without any stuffed animals. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1406EDIT: ahh, I was ninja'd by Ophel. |
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Post by Lightice on Oct 1, 2014 14:23:46 GMT
I like how you think, but I don't think I agree. If Gamma is real and mister "We won't hurt you!" isn't, I'd expect a GOP. Doesn't look like any of the kids got in close enough to touch, and Gamma's never gone her way to GOP nobodies that aren't actively in her way. It's not like Gamma can't move from one place to another; I got the impression that there's always a place with the stuffed animals in Zimmingham, but Gamma needs to get to that location, she doesn't necessarily just manifest there. |
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 1, 2014 15:09:20 GMT
It's not like Gamma can't move from one place to another; I got the impression that there's always a place with the stuffed animals in Zimmingham, but Gamma needs to get to that location, she doesn't necessarily just manifest there. It appeared (to me) that she was trapped there - because of the bars and the fact that she was curled in a fetal position instead of quickly moving to the toy shop. |
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Post by pasko on Oct 1, 2014 15:11:40 GMT
I like how earlier in the chapter some of us thought that there was going to be some division driving Gamma and Zimmy apart, when now it looks like the opposite will happen: After this, Gamma will be terrified of leaving Zimmy's side again! I don't understand, why not? Because when we saw her location earlier, she appeared to be locked in without any stuffed animals. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1406EDIT: ahh, I was ninja'd by Ophel. Yes, I think that, since the first time nobody realized that Kat wasn't the real Kat, Tom dumbed down the story letting us know Gamma's real whereabouts.  |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Oct 1, 2014 15:21:50 GMT
I pretty sure we were supposed to think that the nobody Kat was the real Kat. And that time it was only (as far as we knew) Annie there. This time it's an entire year of students plus whatever's been done to reality so it makes sense to make some things clear as there's so much more that can go wrong.
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Post by mariposa on Oct 1, 2014 15:57:17 GMT
I pretty sure we were supposed to think that the nobody Kat was the real Kat. And that time it was only (as far as we knew) Annie there. This time it's an entire year of students plus whatever's been done to reality so it makes sense to make some things clear as there's so much more that can go wrong. I agree with this! Also, given that this is less of an alternate reality place, like Zimminghan usually is, and more of a clash of two realities (other people have done a better job explaining this in other threads), I am more convinced that these are all real students. Since Zimmingham does seem to have descended upon the ship itself, everyone is actually physically there. I would hesitate to believe that Nobodies would appear to be people who are already there, because the only time we've seen that are with the Zimmy/Annie Switcheroo and Jack's Spider Showdown, both of which seem like special cases. I don't think we can be sure that there even are Nobodies in this place yet, though I think it would be strange if we didn't encounter some incarnation of them. I think Gamma's reaction makes sense even if none of the kids are Nobodies, given that: usually that many real people aren't in this place (so the only crowds she's encountered in Zimmingham have been non-human), she's just experienced a fairly traumatic transition, she probably isn't familiar with a lot of the students to begin with, she doesn't understand what they're saying, and they're all trying to get to her. I'm thinking there's a lot about Gamma's past we have yet to learn. We know much more about what Zimmy's been through, and while we've mostly seen Gamma be the one to solve the problem and make the scary things go away, I suspect that, in one sense or another, that hasn't always been the case. |
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