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Post by philman on Sept 5, 2014 14:27:34 GMT
I still can't help wondering what form Zimmy's nightmare world will take out here; it's usually a twisted version of Birmingham, but Birmingham's an inland city and the ship's out in the middle of the ocean. I've the feeling the answer isn't going to be pleasant. Well Birmingham is famous for its canals, so it's not completely water free. I can't imagine the ship fitting in the birmingham dockyards though! |
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Post by eyemyself on Sept 5, 2014 14:28:30 GMT
We have not seen the robot re-capture Zimmy or Gamma yet. As far as I am concerned until that is shown in panel Zimmy exists in a quantum state of both apprehended and free. She is of course, 100 % certainly pissed off at this point.
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Post by legion on Sept 5, 2014 14:35:53 GMT
This is actually actively bothering me. I would at least buy it if it was clear the robots were zipping around at a brisk pace and actively stopping/capturing people. But it just looks like they're casually sauntering up to people and sticking things to them with little to no resistance. It's actually kinda weird. Just like the robot "getting the drop" on Annie in the last page. It didn't even look like it was moving fast! Like geeze at least add some speed lines or something there Tom. This is legitimately weird to look at. It's making all the students look like utter doofuses in the face of robots that are CANON DOOFUSES. This... this scenario really doesn't feel like it was laid out very well. You clearly have never been in a Situation before. |
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Post by aaroncampbell on Sept 5, 2014 14:58:36 GMT
Paz can communicate with spiders, too. You know, this is actually interesting. What are the limits of Paz's ability? Would she be able to talk with paramecia as well? ;-) Yes, but they don't tend to say much very interesting or useful. (Same reason she doesn't talk very often to lawyers or politicians) |
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Post by myzelf on Sept 5, 2014 15:02:09 GMT
Middle of the ocean, ability to speak with animals is no threat?
Someone's never read an Aquaman comic.
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Post by eyemyself on Sept 5, 2014 15:25:47 GMT
Never underestimate the element of surprise. It's probably only now dawning on most of the students that maybe they should be resisting or something... This is actually actively bothering me. I would at least buy it if it was clear the robots were zipping around at a brisk pace and actively stopping/capturing people. But it just looks like they're casually sauntering up to people and sticking things to them with little to no resistance. It's actually kinda weird. Just like the robot "getting the drop" on Annie in the last page. It didn't even look like it was moving fast! Like geeze at least add some speed lines or something there Tom. This is legitimately weird to look at. It's making all the students look like utter doofuses in the face of robots that are CANON DOOFUSES. This... this scenario really doesn't feel like it was laid out very well. It is not that uncommon for people to freeze up in the face of an unexpected disaster. Many of the students are probably still trying to puzzle out what is going on, or subject to bystander effect because this hasn't yet registered as something that could be dangerous to everyone. I imagine most of the students don't have the background on the interactions Kat and Annie have had with the robots. Heck, even Kat and Annie don't know the history of the robots' prophecies about a "creator" or "angel" and don't know what has been going on between robot and the rest of his kind behind the scenes. I'm pretty certain that we, as readers, don't even have the full picture yet. So for the other students this probably looks like unfamiliar robots talking to that Kat Donlan girl of QN. I hear she's pretty smart. Oh look, they're dragging that weird anti-social girl from Chester out from behind those curtains, wasn't that Jack kid yelling about her earlier? She must have done something wr... wait a sec... now that Annie girl from QN is blasting robots with fire! Oh, they shut her down, maybe she's in cahoots with that weird g... Ow! Hey buddy why'd you stick this zappy paper thing on my arm? EDIT: I actually think if the robots were moving faster the other kids would be more likely to resist and rally around Kat and Annie. It would be more alarming to them if the robots were zipping around. |
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Post by todd on Sept 5, 2014 15:42:43 GMT
. Heck, even Kat and Annie don't know the history of the robots' prophecies about a "creator" or "angel" and don't know what has been going on between robot and the rest of his kind behind the scenes. I suspect that Annie and Kat will have a lot to say to Robot when this is over. getting him to realize the consequences of his words. (And Robot as a prophet was becoming creepy - look at the expression on Shadow2's face on the final page of the "Give and Take" chapter.) |
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Post by eyemyself on Sept 5, 2014 15:50:24 GMT
. Heck, even Kat and Annie don't know the history of the robots' prophecies about a "creator" or "angel" and don't know what has been going on between robot and the rest of his kind behind the scenes. I suspect that Annie and Kat will have a lot to say to Robot when this is over. getting him to realize the consequences of his words. (And Robot as a prophet was becoming creepy - look at the expression on Shadow2's face on the final page of the "Give and Take" chapter.) Yeah, robot as a prophet has been creepy for awhile. I think he has been very careful about how he acts in front of the girls vs. how he acts with other robots "preaching the word" when they are not around. I've been wondering how many different factions there are regarding the prophecy within robot society. We've had hints that robot's fanaticism about the "angel" predates his imprisonment in the closet and subsequently meeting Annie and Kat and he wasn't imprisoned for believing in the prophecy ... he was imprisoned because his interpretation of it was different from that of the other S-models. |
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Post by eskhn on Sept 5, 2014 16:10:43 GMT
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Post by sniperserpent on Sept 5, 2014 17:24:20 GMT
These robots really need to do their research about this type of power.  Would save them a lot of hassle later. |
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Post by GK Sierra on Sept 5, 2014 17:25:50 GMT
Did we get a look at the other students that got price-tagged?
One of them looks a little like Becky Ground and perhaps Matt next to her, but they're facing away from the reader.
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Post by thedoctor on Sept 5, 2014 17:43:03 GMT
This is actually actively bothering me. I would at least buy it if it was clear the robots were zipping around at a brisk pace and actively stopping/capturing people. But it just looks like they're casually sauntering up to people and sticking things to them with little to no resistance. It's actually kinda weird. Just like the robot "getting the drop" on Annie in the last page. It didn't even look like it was moving fast! Like geeze at least add some speed lines or something there Tom. This is legitimately weird to look at. It's making all the students look like utter doofuses in the face of robots that are CANON DOOFUSES. This... this scenario really doesn't feel like it was laid out very well. It is not that uncommon for people to freeze up in the face of an unexpected disaster. Many of the students are probably still trying to puzzle out what is going on, or subject to bystander effect because this hasn't yet registered as something that could be dangerous to everyone. I imagine most of the students don't have the background on the interactions Kat and Annie have had with the robots. Heck, even Kat and Annie don't know the history of the robots' prophecies about a "creator" or "angel" and don't know what has been going on between robot and the rest of his kind behind the scenes. I'm pretty certain that we, as readers, don't even have the full picture yet. So for the other students this probably looks like unfamiliar robots talking to that Kat Donlan girl of QN. I hear she's pretty smart. Oh look, they're dragging that weird anti-social girl from Chester out from behind those curtains, wasn't that Jack kid yelling about her earlier? She must have done something wr... wait a sec... now that Annie girl from QN is blasting robots with fire! Oh, they shut her down, maybe she's in cahoots with that weird g... Ow! Hey buddy why'd you stick this zappy paper thing on my arm? EDIT: I actually think if the robots were moving faster the other kids would be more likely to resist and rally around Kat and Annie. It would be more alarming to them if the robots were zipping around. This is a good description. Also, (and someone mentioned this earlier when Annie got price-tagged) a person (or robot) moving slowly and "sauntering up" to you is much less likely to be noticed; our subconscious brains will categorize them as "not a threat" (heh) and move on to other things, especially when our attention is being held by something serious going on. Essentially, they aren't setting off the kids' AWACS system because they're "acting casual. " Did we get a look at the other students that got price-tagged? Heehee, "price-tagged." That's an excellent term! |
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Post by Intelligence on Sept 5, 2014 17:58:23 GMT
Why is everyone thinking the robots are evil??!?
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Post by agentletrush on Sept 5, 2014 18:42:49 GMT
Why is everyone thinking the robots are evil??!? Well, evil may be a bit harsh, but they've forcibly restrained two students and seem to be recklessly playing with forces they don't understand, possibly putting everyone on the ship in danger. One doesn't exactly get brownie points for that. |
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Post by crater on Sept 5, 2014 19:03:24 GMT
Why is everyone thinking the robots are evil??!? Well, evil may be a bit harsh, but they've forcibly restrained two students and seem to be recklessly playing with forces they don't understand, possibly putting everyone on the ship in danger. One doesn't exactly get brownie points for that. that's not true. I'm giving them brownie points. I am giving them all my brownies in my browny bag |
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Post by Elysium on Sept 5, 2014 19:28:10 GMT
Why is everyone thinking the robots are evil??!? They're foolish, that's what they are. Oh, and jerks. |
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Post by eyemyself on Sept 5, 2014 19:53:18 GMT
Well, evil may be a bit harsh, but they've forcibly restrained two students and seem to be recklessly playing with forces they don't understand, possibly putting everyone on the ship in danger. One doesn't exactly get brownie points for that. that's not true. I'm giving them brownie points. I am giving them all my brownies in my browny bag I'm giving you brownie points for giving them brownie points! Without the robots how would we have PLOT and CONFLICT in this chapter? Oh right, epic rap battle between Annie and Jack about the ethical pros and cons of letting Zimmy come along on a class field trip followed by a Breakdancing showdown. |
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Post by fuzzyone on Sept 5, 2014 20:02:20 GMT
There is one thing to consider about the Seraphim (Blame Madeline L'Engel for my insistence on using the term) that some are overlooking. S1 effortlessly shredded Youngbot. Yes,that was scripted, but still. Fast forward to present. Robot is still a Seraph,just in a body built by Kat. Do you remember his fencing match with Parley? Tom chose not to employ speed lines, but Robot proves to be an effective fighter. His choice of words on this page tells me that S1 was designed to fight. RObot claims his skills come from being plugged into that body. But the Seraph models are BASED on the initial S1 design. I think there's far more scrap than scrap metal in the seraph models than people are accounting for. |
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Post by The Anarch on Sept 5, 2014 20:04:54 GMT
Why is everyone thinking the robots are evil??!? Pretty sure nobody said they were evil. They might have at some point, but I'm pretty sure. Anyway, conflict is not always good vs. evil. In this case the robots, while not actively perpetrating evil, are definitely misguided and going about things in very much the wrong way. And again, the students would be very much in the right to defend themselves considering that they are being taken hostage, put into dangerous situations against their will, and coerced into helping the robots' plans whether they wish to take part in them or not. Regardless of whether or not the robots are evil, these are Bad Things You Should Not Do To People. |
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Post by helicopter on Sept 5, 2014 20:23:19 GMT
Kinda feel like the events to come will shed some light on this. |
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Post by keef on Sept 5, 2014 20:52:42 GMT
Lindsey doesn't need special abilities for her to understand you, and I don't think that Paz has long distance telepathy with animals included with her powers Paz can speak to all animals, using both sound and telepathy. So I guess speaking to animals that have no voice, she would use telepathy. As telepathy only exists in the Gunnerverse and other alternative realities, I have no idea what its range is. |
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Post by smurfton on Sept 5, 2014 21:14:20 GMT
Why is everyone thinking the robots are evil??!? I'm with Jim North on this one. I'd actually be fairly okay with this if there was more exposition on what was going on, even if it was in the form of "Jargon Jargon Strange Words Jargon", and Zimmy was promised that nothing bad would happen to her. Maybe even some compensation? How does one pay Zimmy anyway? Candy?
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Post by keef on Sept 5, 2014 21:30:42 GMT
How does one pay Zimmy anyway? Candy?
One doesn't, the only things she wants are Gamma, being left alone with Gamma, and chasing rats or spiders (with Gamma) |
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Post by wlerin on Sept 5, 2014 21:59:30 GMT
Also... if Kat somehow can arrange transformation of metal things to flesh, wouldn't it be easier for her to perform the opposite? But maybe she can find a megaphone and summon a flock of seabirds to screw up the robots' sensors? If they are anywhere near South America, maybe she can summon a flock of toucans. |
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Post by Lightice on Sept 5, 2014 22:09:36 GMT
Paz can speak to all animals, using both sound and telepathy. So I guess speaking to animals that have no voice, she would use telepathy. As telepathy only exists in the Gunnerverse and other alternative realities, I have no idea what its range is. That's one of those open to interpretation responses. To me it doesn't sound like Paz could choose between multiple options, but that her power is a combination noise-interpretation and telepathy. Tom also seems that the animals understanding Paz's speech is a part of the deal. So I don't think that Paz could send telepathic messages to animals, only be understood when speaking to them through a method involving a telepathic link. But I guess we could get a some kind of elaboration in the comic itself. Kat should test that power, some time... |
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Post by Ophel on Sept 5, 2014 22:13:50 GMT
The robots definitely have some weird courtesy going on, thought that might be a clever ploy. It's certainly not a progression of situation I have come to expect from a comic, but it is kinda logical if one considers (and you guys did). These robots really need to do their research about this type of power. Would save them a lot of hassle later. Awwyeeah! Squirrel Girl! |
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Post by todd on Sept 5, 2014 22:24:49 GMT
I'm not certain that "hostage" is the right term, since that implies intent to do harm (as in "If our demands are not met, we kill them"). The robots can't harm the students, which would make the students poor choices for hostage-taking. "Prisoners" would be a better word.
But they've certainly acted like kidnappers - even if I suspect they don't realize that's what they're doing. It seems to be more a case of robot single-mindedness than malice. (If anyone here will forgive me for mentioning "Doctor Who", since I know Tom's not fond of it, I recall an episode that catches a similar tone about robots. In it, a spaceship was damaged, the robots had the job of repairing it but didn't have enough spare parts, so took the human crew members apart to obtain them, simply because, as the Doctor pointed out when he arrived on the scene, "Nobody told them that the crew were off limits.") I wouldn't be surprised if the robots didn't realize how dangerous Zimmy's powers are (especially since they seem to assume that she can just produce effects on a certain level at their command - anyone who knows much about Zimmy will realize how improbable that is).
It doesn't help that the objective of this scheme is to allow the ship to attempt to win the heart of a married woman (and a happily married one, at that). So even the ends is morally suspect, let alone the means. (And it could get worse if Lindsey tells the ship that she's an honest merostomatazon and has no intention of dumping Bud and the ship goes into a jealous rage a la Diego - which, given the origins of the Court robots, could be a real possibility.)
I wonder how useful Paz's ability to talk to animals really would be in this situation. There aren't likely to be any animals on board the ship (we barely see any around the Court, except for the mice used for experiments - who wouldn't be likely to have been brought along). She could talk to a sea gull and ask it to go for help, but there aren't likely to be any about in this kind of weather. She could send a message to Lindsey, but why would the robots be worried about that? The whole point of this plan is to give the cruise ship an opportunity to woo Lindsey (at least, it believes that she'd be more likely to look kindly on it if it becomes flesh, though I doubt it'll make any difference to her), so her arrival will be something that it wants - it won't be seeing her as the U. S. Cavalry coming to the rescue of its captives.
Knowing the way Zimmy's powers go, I suspect that soon the real concern will be, not being rescued from the robots, but being rescued from the horrors of Zimmy's world (and it's tempting to imagine the crew-bots and Seraphs getting reduced to scrap metal by those same horrors, one of the Seraphs saying "We had not projected this develop-" just before one of them demolishes it).
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Post by Gotolei on Sept 5, 2014 23:58:05 GMT
How does one pay Zimmy anyway? Candy?
One doesn't, the only things she wants are Gamma, being left alone with Gamma, and chasing rats or spiders (with Gamma) |
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Post by The Anarch on Sept 6, 2014 2:17:00 GMT
I'm with Jim North on this one. I'd actually be fairly okay with this if there was more exposition on what was going on, even if it was in the form of "Jargon Jargon Strange Words Jargon", and Zimmy was promised that nothing bad would happen to her. Maybe even some compensation? Heck, it'd be nice if they at the very least asked instead of outright stated their demands like there's absolutely no choice in the matter. Whatever happened to the polite robots? They should have been in charge of the cruise. |
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Post by rosencrantz on Sept 6, 2014 3:30:45 GMT
Here ability will more then likely save the day. She is peace after all. |
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