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Post by Sky Schemer on Jul 14, 2014 20:58:37 GMT
This gets to the core of the question of how much personal agency the mediums actually have to make decisions in their role. We know that Surma's ruse to trick Rey into thinking she had feelings for him was in line with the court's desire to get Rey out from under Coyote's influence and into their domain. We don't know how complicit Surma actually was with plan, if she helped develop it or if she was just following orders, but we do know that it was leadership at the court who wanted to bring Rey in and the Surma was acting on their wishes. On an semirelated note... What we don't know is whether or not Coyote gave Rey the power to switch bodies in order to get Rey into the Court. Meaning Coyote tricked Rey into being captured by the Court, and the Court played into Coyote's hands. Assuming this is the case, it didn't turn out exactly the way Coyote had hoped, and of course he tried to steal him back...until he met Antimony and suddenly whatever plan he had in mind was tossed out and became this plan. Whatever this plan is. |
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Post by Earin on Jul 14, 2014 21:25:06 GMT
It occurs to me that the bridge is both super-long and pretty wide -- probably big enough to set up some stuff (stalls, music, etc) on and have a figurative and literal bridge-building festival. This ruins the entire point of the lights. Doing this results in shadows, I'm afraid. Considering that the lights on the bridge have yet to be turned off, I'd have to say that there's no way this could happen... yet. A fine point, alas. With the amount of foot traffic it would probably involve, even powerful spotlights at the court's end wouldn't be reliable. |
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Post by eyemyself on Jul 14, 2014 21:31:00 GMT
This gets to the core of the question of how much personal agency the mediums actually have to make decisions in their role. We know that Surma's ruse to trick Rey into thinking she had feelings for him was in line with the court's desire to get Rey out from under Coyote's influence and into their domain. We don't know how complicit Surma actually was with plan, if she helped develop it or if she was just following orders, but we do know that it was leadership at the court who wanted to bring Rey in and the Surma was acting on their wishes. On an semirelated note... What we don't know is whether or not Coyote gave Rey the power to switch bodies in order to get Rey into the Court. Meaning Coyote tricked Rey into being captured by the Court, and the Court played into Coyote's hands. Assuming this is the case, it didn't turn out exactly the way Coyote had hoped, and of course he tried to steal him back...until he met Antimony and suddenly whatever plan he had in mind was tossed out and became this plan. Whatever this plan is. In Rey's flashback in quicksilver we see Coyote practically slathering at the chance to encourage a reluctant Rey to take Daniel's body and pursue Surma, yet when Coyote tells Annie the story his slant is a bit different. |
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Post by Sky Schemer on Jul 14, 2014 22:08:41 GMT
In Rey's flashback in quicksilver we see Coyote practically slathering at the chance to encourage a reluctant Rey to take Daniel's body and pursue Surma, yet when Coyote tells Annie the story his slant is a bit different.We suspect that Coyote is capable of seeing events in very near future. At the very least, he's pretty good at predicting behavior. It stands to reason that he knew what Rey would do, and I think Rey's version of events is probably the more accurate one. Plus, Rey was not telling a story to anyone, merely reflecting on events as he remembered them. Granted, he has reason to be upset with Coyote and see him in a more negative light, but given Coyote's history of manipulating Ysengrin it's not too difficult to make the leap that he has manipulated Rey as well. As the trickster, it's what he's good at. Now, that doesn't mean has is necessarily acting out of random malice, and more and more I am believing there's an overarching plan here. It may not have gone as expected, but he's rolled with it, and the opportunist that he is, he's adapted to events and the situation. Clearly he's concerned about the Court's experiments with the ether. Jones implied it. He's warned Annie about the Court in a roundabout fashion. For whatever reason he's just not acted directly. |
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Post by Intelligence on Jul 14, 2014 22:57:28 GMT
You could try that. Or, a better alternative, try to get rid of both transformations altogether, like in the old days.
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Post by eyemyself on Jul 14, 2014 23:13:32 GMT
In Rey's flashback in quicksilver we see Coyote practically slathering at the chance to encourage a reluctant Rey to take Daniel's body and pursue Surma, yet when Coyote tells Annie the story his slant is a bit different.We suspect that Coyote is capable of seeing events in very near future. At the very least, he's pretty good at predicting behavior. It stands to reason that he knew what Rey would do, and I think Rey's version of events is probably the more accurate one. Plus, Rey was not telling a story to anyone, merely reflecting on events as he remembered them. Granted, he has reason to be upset with Coyote and see him in a more negative light, but given Coyote's history of manipulating Ysengrin it's not too difficult to make the leap that he has manipulated Rey as well. As the trickster, it's what he's good at. Now, that doesn't mean has is necessarily acting out of random malice, and more and more I am believing there's an overarching plan here. It may not have gone as expected, but he's rolled with it, and the opportunist that he is, he's adapted to events and the situation. Clearly he's concerned about the Court's experiments with the ether. Jones implied it. He's warned Annie about the Court in a roundabout fashion. For whatever reason he's just not acted directly. Oh, don't get me wrong. I absolutely agree that Rey's version is by far much more likely to be accurate. Coyote has a well known history of manipulating people and situations in much more extreme ways than simply neglecting to correctly represent his own level of involvement. I was actually trying provide evidence of the likelihood of Coyote manipulation at hand in the situation but I may not have worded my point very clearly. I also think Coyote is being very deliberate in his actions. I'm less certain he has a plan so much as an agenda. I suspect that he is delighted by the unexpected and revels in being surprised... anything new probably gets his wheels turning and starts him scheming how to push the advantage and bend things in a direction that suits his goals. Opportunist is a great word for Coyote. He's great at picking up on little things and pushing the advantage. I can only imagine the glee he experienced at finding Surma's daughter a complete blank slate, unaware of her own history and already a bit distrustful of the court. |
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Post by GK Sierra on Jul 15, 2014 1:23:20 GMT
Things are going far too smoothly Agreed. It's the plot-arc equivalent of "it's quiet... TOO quiet..." |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Jul 15, 2014 2:36:55 GMT
Suddenly, cicadas.
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Post by Daedalus on Jul 15, 2014 4:07:07 GMT
This ruins the entire point of the lights. Doing this results in shadows, I'm afraid. Considering that the lights on the bridge have yet to be turned off, I'd have to say that there's no way this could happen... yet. A fine point, alas. With the amount of foot traffic it would probably involve, even powerful spotlights at the court's end wouldn't be reliable. Terminate the rogue shadow-men with laser turrets. Suddenly I find myself writing pulp science fiction. |
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Post by kalechibki on Jul 15, 2014 12:42:18 GMT
Andrew was just a convenient stand - in for Annie. Annie would have caused even more trouble had she become Court medium, and the Court knew this. Of course, merely allowing him to be present tend to change outcome of many events. Appointing him anywhere is kind of like releasing a djinni out of the bottle and then throwing both bottle and stopper into the stormy sea - while technically it's still possible to get rid of him before he wants to go... Here's a new question: Could Eyebrow's power of order prevent assassination (murder), specifically his own, but potentially, anyone he's near? While he likes Parley, and I'm sure she'll make a fine protector - especially with her blip powers - does he actually need her to perform this role? Here's my thinking: Yea, I think he could. I'm not talking that he could prevent all deaths, because much of death is part of order - and you cannot get new life without some death. However, assassinations are a whole other type of event. It causes is disorder and disruption by it's very nature. Not just for the person who dies, but for all the people that the person interacts with. |
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Post by Daedalus on Jul 15, 2014 17:12:26 GMT
I suspect his powers would cause guns to not fire or hostile animals to miss him or whatever.
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Post by Lightice on Jul 15, 2014 17:21:09 GMT
I suspect his powers would cause guns to not fire or hostile animals to miss him or whatever. Shouldn't his power cause each and every bullet hit perfectly in the exactly right spot? Andrew's power isn't luck, but order -- not necessarily order beneficial to him. Though more likely there wouldn't be any difference at all; it's only applied to actions that he was personally involved in (including Parley's teleportation), not in ones where he's an unaware subject. |
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Post by Daedalus on Jul 15, 2014 17:27:42 GMT
I suspect his powers would cause guns to not fire or hostile animals to miss him or whatever. Shouldn't his power cause each and every bullet hit perfectly in the exactly right spot? Andrew's power isn't luck, but order -- not necessarily order beneficial to him. Though more likely there wouldn't be any difference at all; it's only applied to actions that he was personally involved in (including Parley's teleportation), not in ones where he's an unaware subject. Originally his powers were unintentional, but the stunt with the bird and the blinker stone shows he can accomplish an action intentionally. But who knows. |
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Post by Lightice on Jul 15, 2014 17:32:22 GMT
]Originally his powers were unintentional, but the stunt with the bird and the blinker stone shows he can accomplish an action intentionally. But who knows. But that's exactly what I meant, as far as we have seen so far he needs to have some sort of agency, intentional or unintentional, in his probability manipulation. If someone else did something to him without him being aware of it, I doubt that his power would do anything at all. |
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Post by eyemyself on Jul 15, 2014 18:01:01 GMT
Shouldn't his power cause each and every bullet hit perfectly in the exactly right spot? Andrew's power isn't luck, but order -- not necessarily order beneficial to him. Though more likely there wouldn't be any difference at all; it's only applied to actions that he was personally involved in (including Parley's teleportation), not in ones where he's an unaware subject. Originally his powers were unintentional, but the stunt with the bird and the blinker stone shows he can accomplish an action intentionally. But who knows. Except with the bird and the blinker stone he wasn't told what he was supposed to accomplish. His instructions were "We need you throw my blinker stone in that direction." |
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Post by descoladavirus on Jul 15, 2014 18:25:23 GMT
Well, I wouldn't argue that it wouldn't be a no-holds-barred adrenaline-fueled thrill ride, but there is no way you could perpetrate that amount of carnage and mayhem and not incur a considerable amount of paperwork. Now I wanna watch Hot Fuzz again. Ah decisions. Originally his powers were unintentional, but the stunt with the bird and the blinker stone shows he can accomplish an action intentionally. But who knows. Except with the bird and the blinker stone he wasn't told what he was supposed to accomplish. His instructions were "We need you throw my blinker stone in that direction." Well said. |
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Post by KMar on Jul 15, 2014 19:25:11 GMT
Originally his powers were unintentional, but the stunt with the bird and the blinker stone shows he can accomplish an action intentionally. But who knows. Except with the bird and the blinker stone he wasn't told what he was supposed to accomplish. His instructions were "We need you throw my blinker stone in that direction." Okay, now you got me thinking about (a slight variation) "we need you point this gun in that direction". E. What if Smitty isn't told it's a gun? And that got me thinking about what if Smitty could be to persuaded to do a Lucky Luke cosplay routine. |
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Post by eyemyself on Jul 15, 2014 19:39:14 GMT
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