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Post by atteSmythe on Jun 16, 2014 17:33:42 GMT
Parley's teleport could be a volumetric swap of atoms between the two locations. Still not something that you want to do into the middle of someone.
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Post by Intelligence on Jun 16, 2014 19:47:25 GMT
Canvey BETTER NOT be making up any tales.
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Post by foresterr on Jun 16, 2014 20:06:17 GMT
You NEVER do that. Atoms would end up intersecting, forming superheavy nuclei, and you would cause a nuclear explosion  I think Parley's power has failsafes for that kind of thing  Well, if you want to go that way, why doesn't the exact same thing happen with the atoms in the air in the place she teleports to? They may be less densely packed than the atoms of a solid body, but they're atoms just the same. Do you have any reasonable explanation as to why another body instantly materialising on top of them should displace some atoms but not others? Ugh, now you've done it. You've got your physics all over my fiction! xD Yeah, much as I enjoy a good old-fashioned mushroom cloud (edit: doesn't everyone?), a 1:1 swap makes more sense, for example there is no implosion boom when Parley teleports away... But under that mechanism it would be possible to cut out perfect statues of George out of any solid block of material, just teleport in, and back to somewhere else before managing to suffocate. That is just silly, and reason enough to deem teleporting into stuff forbidden because jargon jargon technical term obscure reference. |
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Post by smurfton on Jun 16, 2014 20:19:53 GMT
Canvey BETTER be making up tales. Fixed. |
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Post by Intelligence on Jun 16, 2014 20:46:17 GMT
Canvey BETTER not be making up tales. Fixed. Sorry, but that creature and his tales are more than despicable. |
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Post by warrl on Jun 16, 2014 21:36:10 GMT
Well, a blanket ban on teleporting into space occupied by solids would be problematic. Any random Parley-sized chunk of ground-level air is virtually certain to contain dust, smoke, pollen, small insects, or some such thing.
So, the power obviously can deal with SOME solid matter being in the way. The question is how much and under what circumstances?
Here are a few (of the many) options on that:
a. Up to X grams of loose objects can be teleported or shifted out of the way; over that mass, or anything non-loose, blocks the teleport (or forces the destination to shift to a more suitable location).
b. Loose objects that are entirely within the destination space get teleported out of the way. The destination space is a millimeter or two larger than Parley with an adaptive edge so that loose objects on the edge can be either entirely included or entirely excluded (avoiding a collection of halves of insects at each end). An object that is in the way but can't be dealt with as described blocks the teleport. With this she could teleport into a pile of loose sand, but not into a large block of solid rock.
c. Whatever's in the destination space gets shifted out of the way - if there's sufficient adjacent non-solid space to put it in and it isn't too firmly fastened in place. She still couldn't teleport into a large block of solid rock, but she could teleport into a space overlapping a department-store manikin and knock the manikin over to make room.
d. Whatever's in the destination space gets teleported out of the way, even if it's firmly attached to something. This produces the Parley statues. She could also really make a mess of infrastructure by teleporting into a space partially occupied by, oh, a water main.
On the other hand, Parley is perfectly capable of launching an attack on some poor defenseless tree and then, just before the attack lands, teleporting so that the former relative position of the tree is now occupied by an enemy's back. This would be REALLY tough to defend against.
And there's the flip question: can she stab a training dummy and teleport her sword out of it? There's a good chance she's able to. She obviously can teleport objects that are currently physically connected to her (clothing*, flower, Andrew, bag of popcorn, her sword) and on at least one occasion has teleported objects NOT so connected (Jones, Antimony, Reynardine - although this might have been Andrew maintaining order by keeping the class together) so selectively leaving objects behind seems plausible. But it's unverified.
* The ability to teleport the clothing one is wearing is very nearly universal among human and anthropomorphic teleporters, and teleportation devices, in non-porn graphic media and role-playing aides. Even if teleporting anything else one is holding or carrying is explicitly barred.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 22:07:15 GMT
The Forest denizens haven't been paying much attention to Smitty yet. Apparently, they aren't expecting the Court medium to look vaguely like Franz Kafka. What kind of clothes is the fairy wearing? I think her skirt is made from a paper filter, with pendilia that I cannot identify woven into the rim; but what about her short-sleeved shirt? I can't find any seams on its surface, so it's made from a single piece - almost as though she had cut a hole into a trash bag, put her head through and called it a dress. The pattern printed upon it made me think of a pipette when it appeared on the title page; it could also be seen as a cross section of a ravine in between two steep walls, with the sun rising in the middle. However, I don't know what this stuff might have been useful for before it became a shirt. I wonder if the two birds from the previous page are the same ones that visited Kat. Probably not, since their breasts are coloured more darkly. |
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Post by descoladavirus on Jun 16, 2014 23:48:57 GMT
Man, I can't get over how much I am in awe of Parley in these pages. She's a great sword fighter who's been offered the prospect of becoming the next Court Protector, a role so far only associated with big brawny guys (Eglamore, Thorn, possibly Young). And it looks like she started growing into that role (a big brawny Parley? ). I'm so glad to be able to read a story with well written female-soldier-characters, those are sort of rare as far as I know... I've always wondered if before she was murdered Jeanne was meant to fill the role after Sir Young. He was already old, and probably doubting himself. the paintings and stuff don't show him looking much older, so maybe he died not long after she was. She was young, tempestuous, a former soldier, skilled with a sword with a strong sense of honor. |
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Post by KMar on Jun 16, 2014 23:54:46 GMT
The Forest denizens haven't been paying much attention to Smitty yet. Apparently, they aren't expecting the Court medium to look vaguely like Franz Kafka. Before this, I never had any idea what Franz Kafka looked like nor paid any attention to checking this. (Holy c**p), the resemblance is truly uncanny. |
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Post by csj on Jun 17, 2014 2:15:29 GMT
This chapter is a meta-analysis of the Gunnerkrigg fandom.
We are all canvey monster theorists or of fairy 'realists'.
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Post by arf on Jun 17, 2014 13:10:41 GMT
Speaking of teleporting with a sword, I really hope we get to see Parley in action some day, against multiple opponents. Hmm, maybe a fanart. One of Poul Anderson's novels ('There Will be Time') centres on a time hopping character who, at one point, has to face off with four other time hoppers with swords. He does so by repeatedly shifting to a different time and moving to where each adversary will be before jumping back again. To a witness, he appears to vanish and simultaneously reappear behind each opponent to cut them down. The rest of the story is quite good too, from memory. |
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Post by hypixion on Jun 17, 2014 15:21:30 GMT
I wonder if Parley teleport she keeps the momentum of her movement, so if she teleport mid swing right before she would hit jeanne or her sword, would the swing continue in its full speed when she appears again? If so, I this jeanne doesn not stand a chance and even if this was not the case jeanne might have a chance with parley striking after teleporting. Unless jeanne has some special powers as well. In the end, Parley is a badass.
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Post by Daedalus on Jun 17, 2014 16:02:10 GMT
When I last heard on the subject, there was no more foreshadowing, but it was commonly agreed that there really was little other purpose for the blade as a plot element. I hope that it isn't designed by Tom for Jones' demise, but it's clearly a possibility. Where'd you hear that? I was under the impression that there was plenty of wildspec about the Tooth, and that the consensus was that more plot relevance remains. |
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Post by fwip on Jun 17, 2014 17:03:51 GMT
When I last heard on the subject, there was no more foreshadowing, but it was commonly agreed that there really was little other purpose for the blade as a plot element. I hope that it isn't designed by Tom for Jones' demise, but it's clearly a possibility. Where'd you hear that? I was under the impression that there was plenty of wildspec about the Tooth, and that the consensus was that more plot relevance remains. Well, little other obvious purpose. Go find the thread yourself - I'm probably just remembering them imperfectly. |
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Post by Daedalus on Jun 17, 2014 17:19:22 GMT
Where'd you hear that? I was under the impression that there was plenty of wildspec about the Tooth, and that the consensus was that more plot relevance remains. Well, little other obvious purpose. Go find the thread yourself - I'm probably just remembering them imperfectly. I might be remembering incorrectly as well (shrug) I certainly think it will have future relevance. And, well, Parley can't hit a ghost with any normal weapon!  |
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Post by KMar on Jun 17, 2014 17:28:02 GMT
This chapter is a meta-analysis of the Gunnerkrigg fandom. We are all canvey monster theorists or of fairy 'realists'. Great insight! And this is the very reason why I must contest this: Sorry, but that creature and his tales are more than despicable. Theorizing, speculation and other ungrounded extrapolation from tiny bits of information are the soul of this fandom. We should recognize our inner Canvey Island Monsteryness, and embrace it fully, by acknowledging the Robo-Kat theory! Also, I shall do my part in the art of meta-speculation, and predict that Annie, Smitty & Parley and the other main cast will stay as a backdrop. Instead the focus during this chapter will remain on Green and Canvey, and we shall witness how this chapter's events unfold (= most likely, impressive formalities that'll make a great spectacle, but nothing of actual importance or real relevance to the plot) from their perspective. This will serve the purpose of showing us, the audience, how the 'ordinary' folks see our protagonists: as important figures. (Think about it, Annie, the Forest Medium, meets mighty Coyote on a regular basis and is a protege of general Ysengrin; she and Smitty (who as the Court Medium will now be involved in the Court's political hijinks and mischiefs whether he'll like it or not) will be responsible for the diplomatic relations of the Court and and the Forest.) This scene will finally establish them as characters who are no more regular teens who have adventures now and then and just happen to fit the protagonists' role in this comic, but as the *heroes* of this narrative; their future actions have all the potential to shape the history of the Gunner's Kragg and their stories could very well become legendary tales of epic proportions. -> in other words, prepare us for the Katapocalypse! Smitty's powers will sort out Green's problems, however. Not necessarily in a way Green will find to her liking. |
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Post by keef on Jun 17, 2014 22:25:44 GMT
Man, I can't get over how much I am in awe of Parley in these pages. She's a great sword fighter who's been offered the prospect of becoming the next Court Protector, a role so far only associated with big brawny guys (Eglamore, Thorn, possibly Young). And it looks like she started growing into that role (a big brawny Parley? ). I'm so glad to be able to read a story with well written female-soldier-characters, those are sort of rare as far as I know... I've always wondered if before she was murdered Jeanne was meant to fill the role after Sir Young. He was already old, and probably doubting himself. the paintings and stuff don't show him looking much older, so maybe he died not long after she was. She was young, tempestuous, a former soldier, skilled with a sword with a strong sense of honor. almost happy when Diego shows the green arrow. Maybe he didn't like the idea of being replaced by a woman. Smitty's powers will sort out Green's problems, however. Not necessarily in a way Green will find to her liking. Obviously I agree with everything you said, but one point: no room for GreenxAnnie shipping? |
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Post by Daedalus on Jun 18, 2014 6:04:44 GMT
We should recognize our inner Canvey Island Monsteryness, and embrace it fully, by acknowledging the Robo-Kat theory! So much yes. My wildspec lives on! (Squee!) |
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Post by descoladavirus on Jun 23, 2014 7:20:05 GMT
I've always wondered if before she was murdered Jeanne was meant to fill the role after Sir Young. He was already old, and probably doubting himself. the paintings and stuff don't show him looking much older, so maybe he died not long after she was. She was young, tempestuous, a former soldier, skilled with a sword with a strong sense of honor. almost happy when Diego shows the green arrow. Maybe he didn't like the idea of being replaced by a woman. Smitty's powers will sort out Green's problems, however. Not necessarily in a way Green will find to her liking. Obviously I agree with everything you said, but one point: no room for GreenxAnnie shipping?I'm sure by that point he was aware as all of them are to set the plan in motion that Jeanne's loyalty was to her green skinned lover and not to the Court. I had forgotten it, of all of them he looks the happiest. Maybe Jeanne had bested him in combat at some point? Then again, following her murder he looks...determined. Like a man who just did something that took a lot of effort, which doesn't seem quite so fitting considering the physical work appears to have been carried out by others and his referring to Diego as "The Architect" of their plans would suggest Diego did most of the planning. Re-reading those pages always makes me wonder just how integral to their plans was Jeanne's inclusion. Could it have been someone else? Could only her quick temper and love for a denizen of the forest be necessary? Or is it only Jeanne because she spurned his advances and reminded him that to her and probably the rest of the world, he is a diminutive strange man. |
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Post by TBeholder on Jun 23, 2014 7:56:15 GMT
I'm wondering if Parley has ever (when working with a practice dummy) tried teleporting to a position where her sword is *already in* the opponent. You NEVER do that. Atoms would end up intersecting, forming superheavy nuclei, and you would cause a nuclear explosion I think Parley's power has failsafes for that kind of thing Remind me, what portion of volume of a typical solid object is occupied by nuclei (even counting with strong-force-significant vicinity)?.. <tries to whistle innocently> Not that this necessarily matters with that violet glowy thing of which Eggers is so fond, anyway. |
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I think Parley's power has failsafes for that kind of thing 
