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Post by Lightice on Mar 12, 2014 9:46:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 9:54:18 GMT
I thought it was quite poetic — mysterious, even — to contemplate the elusive counterpoint of existence that goes by the name... Denise.
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Post by stormy on Mar 12, 2014 13:09:24 GMT
Morty is gonna get himself killed trying to save Jones (it's already been established that he's SO BRAVE) and she's going to take ghost-Mort to Gunnerkrigg due to her inexplicable stone-lady sense of responsibility.
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Post by Per on Mar 12, 2014 13:36:51 GMT
I absolutely did not expect Elgamore.
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Post by The Anarch on Mar 12, 2014 13:37:49 GMT
1) It's already established Jones took that name during a WWII bombing in England. Guess what, a WWII bombing in England is now coming up! I just thought about that flashback where she was at a bombed factory in London. I hate to be a Negative Nancy or a Doubting Thomas, but all we know from that particular page is that she was in an explosion at a filling factory. According to the wiki page Tom provided, filling factories were up and running and employing mostly women during both World Wars, not just the second one, and given the nature of their product, the explosion that destroyed it may very well have come from inside the building rather than being the result of a German bombing run. It might be possible that she's been running around using the Jones moniker for a couple of decades at this point. |
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Post by Intelligence on Mar 12, 2014 13:42:00 GMT
Covalent, I worry about you. Compared to me, he's tame. |
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Post by ctso74 on Mar 12, 2014 13:55:44 GMT
Doubt this is just a cameo. I've thought about a brave Mort helping and talking with people, while they run out of air in a caved-in shelter. If Jones is in the mix, she could be the only survivor to be a witness. That would be some deep stuff. Our worst and our bravest isn't found in risking Death, but facing its inevitable march.
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Post by hemospecter on Mar 12, 2014 14:46:33 GMT
Does anyone notice that ghosts tend to be the general shape of the clothes the person wore when they died? Like Mort's hat and jacket sort of translate to the rounded head and sheet-like look of his ghost form?
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Post by Gauldoth Half-Dead on Mar 12, 2014 15:07:41 GMT
Can we have Jones shielding Mort with her indestructible body from deadly explosions please? Please. It's all I want from this chapter at the moment, some badassery. By the way, anyone remember this page from "The Stone" chapter earlier? Seems like these two pages are relatively close in the timeline, just putting that out there. |
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Post by The Anarch on Mar 12, 2014 15:13:07 GMT
Is she Jones yet, or still Emma? 1) It's already established Jones took that name during a WWII bombing in England. Guess what, a WWII bombing in England is now coming up! I just thought about that flashback where she was at a bombed factory in London. I hate to be a Negative Nancy or a Doubting Thomas, but all we know from that particular page is that she was in an explosion at a filling factory. According to the wiki page Tom provided, filling factories were up and running and employing mostly women during both World Wars, not just the second one, and given the nature of their product, the explosion that destroyed it may very well have come from inside the building rather than being the result of a German bombing run. It might be possible that she's been running around using the Jones moniker for a couple of decades at this point. |
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Post by aaroncampbell on Mar 12, 2014 15:17:04 GMT
Not meaning any crassness whatsoever, but Jones would make a pretty fantastic bomb shelter. She could easily lay Morty down at the base of a concrete or stone building and cover his body with hers. Granted, the shock waves would be uncomfortable or damaging or worse, especially with a near blast, but the odds of a direct hit weren't that great, and any shrapnel or falling debris would be deflected.
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Post by The Anarch on Mar 12, 2014 15:18:37 GMT
I wouldn't mind Jones covering my body with hers.
And I do mean to be crass! Bow chicka wow wow.
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Post by warrl on Mar 12, 2014 15:31:16 GMT
What time does that goddamned comic update or what? *yanking on collar furiously Midnight, California time. Since it has been shown that Daylight Savings Time does not actually save energy or provide any other benefit (Indiana *began* practicing DST in 2006, in the face of analysis saying that the change would *increase* energy consumption), the US government decided that we need more of it. So it kicks in in mid-March now (since 2007 actually). (Except for the few states and territories smart enough to blow it off completely.) Whereas in most other countries that have this nonsensical practice, it doesn't start (or end, in the southern hemisphere) until late March. At the other end, most countries do the change in mid to late October, but the US does it in early November. |
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Post by Gauldoth Half-Dead on Mar 12, 2014 15:36:20 GMT
Not meaning any crassness whatsoever, but Jones would make a pretty fantastic bomb shelter. She could easily lay Morty down at the base of a concrete or stone building and cover his body with hers. Granted, the shock waves would be uncomfortable or damaging or worse, especially with a near blast, but the odds of a direct hit weren't that great, and any shrapnel or falling debris would be deflected. I wouldn't mind Jones covering my body with hers. And I do mean to be crass! Bow chicka wow wow. Shock waves would kill Mort, yeah, but I'd be willing to suspense my disbelief for some epicness. Hmm... on second thought, it would be pretty hard for Jones to become a bomb shelter, since... ...she's already a bombshell. |
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Post by Marnath on Mar 12, 2014 15:54:12 GMT
I hate to be a Negative Nancy or a Doubting Thomas, but all we know from that particular page is that she was in an explosion at a filling factory. According to the wiki page Tom provided, filling factories were up and running and employing mostly women during both World Wars, not just the second one, and given the nature of their product, the explosion that destroyed it may very well have come from inside the building rather than being the result of a German bombing run. It might be possible that she's been running around using the Jones moniker for a couple of decades at this point. Didn't we already solve this one? What's that triangular badge she's wearing? Is it for this wartime position, or is it a Valknut (supporting the Odin's eye idea?) I think the badge that the are wearing is the On War Services Badge, which was worn by women carrying out jobs important to the war effort during the First World War The pin which she is wearing, and a news story about a filling factory whose Foreman, Edward Jones (and some other people obviously) was killed in an accidental explosion. |
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Post by csj on Mar 12, 2014 17:15:33 GMT
Jones inadvertently kills Mort. Huehuehuehue.
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Post by Daedalus on Mar 12, 2014 17:32:55 GMT
I'm on the 'Mort tries to save Jones, but dies (or is terribly injured), then she takes him to GKC' side.
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Post by Señor Goose on Mar 12, 2014 17:38:30 GMT
What time does that goddamned comic update or what? *yanking on collar furiously Midnight, California time. Since it has been shown that Daylight Savings Time does not actually save energy or provide any other benefit (Indiana *began* practicing DST in 2006, in the face of analysis saying that the change would *increase* energy consumption), the US government decided that we need more of it. So it kicks in in mid-March now (since 2007 actually). (Except for the few states and territories smart enough to blow it off completely.) Whereas in most other countries that have this nonsensical practice, it doesn't start (or end, in the southern hemisphere) until late March. At the other end, most countries do the change in mid to late October, but the US does it in early November. I live in Arizona, which told DST to piss right off, but at this moment I'm in Oregon, which is both in a different time zone and does DST. So, damn. |
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Post by philman on Mar 12, 2014 17:57:19 GMT
I hate to be a Negative Nancy or a Doubting Thomas, but all we know from that particular page is that she was in an explosion at a filling factory. According to the wiki page Tom provided, filling factories were up and running and employing mostly women during both World Wars, not just the second one, and given the nature of their product, the explosion that destroyed it may very well have come from inside the building rather than being the result of a German bombing run. It might be possible that she's been running around using the Jones moniker for a couple of decades at this point. Didn't we already solve this one? I think the badge that the are wearing is the On War Services Badge, which was worn by women carrying out jobs important to the war effort during the First World War The pin which she is wearing, and a news story about a filling factory whose Foreman, Edward Jones (and some other people obviously) was killed in an accidental explosion. Interesting, I hadn't realised that had been solved right down to the name of the foreman! so that happened in the 20's, between the wars, so this is around 15-20 years after she became Jones then. |
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Post by Daedalus on Mar 12, 2014 18:40:15 GMT
I continue to be amazed by people's information-gathering abilities on this forum.
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Post by TBeholder on Mar 12, 2014 19:23:32 GMT
Doubt this is just a cameo. I've thought about a brave Mort helping and talking with people, while they run out of air in a caved-in shelter. If Jones is in the mix, she could be the only survivor to be a witness. If Jones is in the mix, any sealed area remains sealed only until she decides it's time to walk out. Duh. |
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Post by crater on Mar 12, 2014 20:31:12 GMT
Remember that time when Jones killed Hitler and stopped 150 million deaths?
Oh wait
that never happened because Jones is a jerk
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Post by admiralcheez on Mar 12, 2014 22:01:56 GMT
Jones probably could have stopped a lot of worldwide tragedies. The fact that she didn't either shows remarkable dedication to her non-interference philosophy, or she's just a really huge jerk.
On the other hand, how many has she prevented? You never hear about the tragedies that didn't happen.
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Post by Daedalus on Mar 12, 2014 22:13:10 GMT
Jones probably could have stopped a lot of worldwide tragedies. The fact that she didn't either shows remarkable dedication to her non-interference philosophy, or she's just a really huge jerk. On the other hand, how many has she prevented? You never hear about the tragedies that didn't happen. How many could she have prevented without revealing her unusual qualities to the world? If the world at large knew about things like this, it might have been even worse. Who knows. |
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Post by warrl on Mar 12, 2014 23:18:48 GMT
Jones probably could have stopped a lot of worldwide tragedies. The fact that she didn't either shows remarkable dedication to her non-interference philosophy, or she's just a really huge jerk. On the other hand, how many has she prevented? You never hear about the tragedies that didn't happen. How many could she have prevented without revealing her unusual qualities to the world? If the world at large knew about things like this, it might have been even worse. Who knows. In the early going of the Nazi era, there was a great deal of denial about what the Nazis were doing. Consider that Britain had, about a year before the start of the war, cooperated in handing a big chunk of Europe's industrial might (the Sudetenland - many of Europe's finest factories as well as the bulk of Czechoslovakia's military facilities) over to the Nazis in exchange for vapid promises. Even though a new Prime Minister took over promptly after the German attack on Poland, might the British government have been reluctant to reveal just how big a monster they had enabled? So it's quite possible that Jones wasn't aware of what the Nazis were up to. |
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Post by freeformline on Mar 12, 2014 23:34:01 GMT
Covalent, I worry about you. Compared to me, he's tame. Let's not make it a competition. This is a family forum! |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Mar 12, 2014 23:34:16 GMT
Jones probably could have stopped a lot of worldwide tragedies. The fact that she didn't either shows remarkable dedication to her non-interference philosophy, or she's just a really huge jerk. On the other hand, how many has she prevented? You never hear about the tragedies that didn't happen. Jones interfered. Once. In the Unicorn Wars. |
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Post by baphomet on Mar 12, 2014 23:40:40 GMT
Remember that time when Jones killed Hitler and stopped 150 million deaths? Oh wait that never happened because Jones is a jerk I feel like the myth that Jones is based on necessitates that she not interfere in the advancement of human society, for good or ill. She might physically be incapable of it. My pet theory is that she's based on the "myth" of the current understanding of the history of the world based on observation and science. Since multiple individual mythical entities can have mutually exclusive, fundamentally incompatible but somehow still true histories, causality in the Gunnerverse isn't really valid. Creatures can be created with retroactive histories: stories that explain how they got from where they were in the past to here, stories which are even physically provable in the real world, but which didn't exist until "after" (I don't know if that's even the right word since I'm basically describing something that happens independent of the flow of time) their creation. History and science are supposed to be valid regardless of emotional bias, so she has no emotional bias. Science (at least, current modern science in the real world) doesn't have anything to do with the ether, so she's got no etheric presence. Science gives you the tools to find answers yourself but doesn't simply tell them to you, so Jones doesn't tell people things they haven't discovered yet. However, it is almost entirely about repeatedly trying to prove yourself wrong, so she's willing to admit when people have something wrong (though possibly only when most humans already know it). Somewhat paradoxically, science has no way to explain an immortal, unstoppable being, so her inner workings are both completely inaccessible and unobservable. Maybe Jones was created recently, and history didn't include an immortal, infinitely strong woman turning mankind's greatest monsters into chunky salsa with her bare hands. Maybe history changes to de-emphasize her presence as time passes. Maybe science and history just don't interfere with politics. Regardless, there are lots of metaphysical reasons why the myth of determining history with observation wouldn't alter the course of human maliciousness. |
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Post by Chancellor on Mar 12, 2014 23:52:54 GMT
I continue to be amazed by people's information-gathering abilities on this forum. And I continue to be amazed by my inability to not realize that these mysteries have been solved. So this is the relatively recently christened Jones. Stick with her kid, I'm sure it's going to be a blast. *badum-tss* |
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Post by fatexx544 on Mar 12, 2014 23:58:48 GMT
Jones probably could have stopped a lot of worldwide tragedies. The fact that she didn't either shows remarkable dedication to her non-interference philosophy, or she's just a really huge jerk. On the other hand, how many has she prevented? You never hear about the tragedies that didn't happen. I would also question the basic assumptions of these questions. The advantages Jones has over normal people are: 1) Invincible 2) Really old Neither of those abilities are time travel or omniscience. Jones is just one person(-ish). And invincibility + really old age (but not in a way anyone else would easily notice) doesn't really help when it comes to things like ending famines or stopping wars. And if she is in the wrong place/isn't aware of the problem, then there is obviously no way she could help. And then, with respect to more particular evils, what is so special about Hitler? There's plenty more monsters in history, including the likes of Stalin and such. Not to defend Hitler (seriously, awful terrible stuff). Just to point out the difficulties of trying to save the world when for a long time the world was just an awful place to live in. |
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