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Post by Señor Goose on Feb 12, 2014 15:45:51 GMT
Isn't Kat a bit too young to remember VHS-tapes, at least to the point of considering them boringly commonplace, by the way? Just a thought I suddenly had, anyway. And I really wonder what kind of spell she appears to be conjuring from Annie and Mort's perspective... No way pal. I remember watching movies on VHS through the early 2000's. |
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Post by crater on Feb 12, 2014 16:30:27 GMT
I'm getting more and more curious about what Mort and Annie are seeing. For most of the chapter now, I've been wondering: will Tom let us see what Mort and Annie are seeing as the bonus comic at the end of the chapter? Or will he make a special publication like Annie in the Forest? (If he does make a special publication, I do hope it's in colour this time!)Tom can be a terrible tease sometimes (@jones fighting a trex, bug reaper @budsy kiss) but he can't be so cruel not to show us what Ann and Mort are seeing.... right? I mean I know it's not significant to the plot this chapter, but no one is that cruel... right??? |
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Post by spritznar on Feb 12, 2014 17:42:08 GMT
i dunno, i think this might be a variety of noodle incident (or cursed teapot as it were). nothing tom comes up with could be as amazing/awesome/funny as what we're imagining so he's probably going to leave us guessing unless it's plot relevant |
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Post by thedoctor on Feb 12, 2014 17:51:08 GMT
i dunno, i think this might be a variety of noodle incident (or cursed teapot as it were). nothing tom comes up with could be as amazing/awesome/funny as what we're imagining so he's probably going to leave us guessing unless it's plot relevant Sad as it makes me, you are probably right. |
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Post by thedoctor on Feb 12, 2014 17:56:12 GMT
Okay I think I get it now. The RotD is visualized using your mind's personal rationality. But it's also a ton of smoke and mirrors covering what are effectively very simple principles at work. So Kat's visualization - since she's a very logical, machine-minded person - cuts straight through all the guff and makes everything very obvious, because on some level it is very obvious. It's not just that she's seeing something different, it's that she's seeing something different in the most effective way possible. Kind of like how, under certain conditions, being color blind is an advantage. I love that; "she's seeing something different in the most effective way possible"! Also, kind of depressing that the most effective way is also a very boring way... I also think it's kind of funny how very disappointed she is by the experience; she's going through with the whole thing with a grouchy look on her face. |
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Post by spritznar on Feb 12, 2014 17:58:36 GMT
probably doesn't help that annie and mort are so amazed. it's one thing to commiserate over a boring experience with your friends, it's quite another when they're having a spectacular time and you just want it over with
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Post by zimmyzims on Feb 12, 2014 19:26:45 GMT
I think the ground schools too may be likely to keep some of the VHS-tapes and show them at some occasions in teaching purpose, to the disproportionate bemusement of kids. I don't know about in The Court, but a lot libraries still have a large VHS collection free to watch. FYI, if you have a library card, their DVD and VHS collection is free to rent, as well. This is true where I live as well. |
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Post by Lightice on Feb 12, 2014 19:27:12 GMT
No way pal. I remember watching movies on VHS through the early 2000's. Yeah, so did I, until 2003 anyway, but they were already being phased out in my high school and my uni doesn't hasn't had any when I got there. Kat would have barely been out of her diapers when the VHS went out of style, if we assume that GKC takes place in the present day. I have a hard time imagining that a modern day teen would feel any more connection to the VHS than I do to the 5.25" floppy; I recognise it when I see it, but not as something I'd ever personally use. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Feb 12, 2014 19:27:59 GMT
For most of the chapter now, I've been wondering: will Tom let us see what Mort and Annie are seeing as the bonus comic at the end of the chapter? Or will he make a special publication like Annie in the Forest? (If he does make a special publication, I do hope it's in colour this time!)Tom can be a terrible tease sometimes (@jones fighting a trex, bug reaper @budsy kiss) but he can't be so cruel not to show us what Ann and Mort are seeing.... right? I mean I know it's not significant to the plot this chapter, but no one is that cruel... right??? It also can be important. Could it really be without reason other than make things funny? |
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Post by aaroncampbell on Feb 12, 2014 19:48:51 GMT
Tom can be a terrible tease sometimes (@jones fighting a trex, bug reaper @budsy kiss) but he can't be so cruel not to show us what Ann and Mort are seeing.... right? I mean I know it's not significant to the plot this chapter, but no one is that cruel... right??? It also can be important. Could it really be without reason other than make things funny? Hmm, interesting thought. It would be funny to see Tom flip the tables a bit, and have Mort or Annie do something that makes Kat's brain go sideways. Now that I think about it, both Kat and the readers (especially we forum dwellers) are being set up for it. Think about it: we know why Mort's there (official escort, though he could certainly do more) but Annie's really only been playing a supporting role, almost a prop. I can't help but feel now that something beyond the pale is going to happen which is clear to everyone but Kat, and Annie is going to have to use her etheric abilities to handle it. |
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Post by fish on Feb 12, 2014 19:55:33 GMT
Regarding Kat and the VHS: Kat is a huge science nerd. I like to think she disassembled both VHS tape and player at a young age (like, kinder garden age), to understand how they work. Probably with Donny encouraging her, giving her old tapes to destroy. Foundational research.  |
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Post by zimmyhoo on Feb 12, 2014 20:15:18 GMT
I can see how time codes for a VHS tape would seem like a strange language if Annie is not familiar with what they are. Mort though, no idea if he is actually seeing the TV or not and despite VHS being outdated in today's terms, he was definetly born before TVs were invented I guess. I'm sure he has seem novices though, even if they were still silent. I'm pretty sure that in Annie/Mort? vision Kat is summoning images of the arcane by reading runic codes, possibly with some kind of wand also. In her head, she's fastfowarding using a remote. |
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Post by zimmyhoo on Feb 12, 2014 20:19:11 GMT
Okay I think I get it now. The RotD is visualized using your mind's personal rationality. But it's also a ton of smoke and mirrors covering what are effectively very simple principles at work. So Kat's visualization - since she's a very logical, machine-minded person - cuts straight through all the guff and makes everything very obvious, because on some level it is very obvious. It's not just that she's seeing something different, it's that she's seeing something different in the most effective way possible. Kind of like how, under certain conditions, being color blind is an advantage. I love that; "she's seeing something different in the most effective way possible"! Also, kind of depressing that the most effective way is also a very boring way... I also think it's kind of funny how very disappointed she is by the experience; she's going through with the whole thing with a grouchy look on her face. Doesn't help that she's got to use THIS tech. E: congrats self, you just blindly doubleposted. |
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Post by Daedalus on Feb 12, 2014 20:25:33 GMT
I can see how time codes for a VHS tape would seem like a strange language if Annie is not familiar with what they are. Mort though, no idea if he is actually seeing the TV or not and despite VHS being outdated in today's terms, he was definetly born before TVs were invented I guess. I'm sure he has seem novices though, even if they were still silent. I'm pretty sure that in Annie/Mort? vision Kat is summoning images of the arcane by reading runic codes, possibly with some kind of wand also. In her head, she's fastfowarding using a remote. You know what would be really interesting? If Kat were actually doing magic for real, and she's just rationalizing it in her head as a technology-related thing. |
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Post by spritznar on Feb 12, 2014 20:31:57 GMT
I'm pretty sure that in Annie/Mort? vision Kat is summoning images of the arcane by reading runic codes, possibly with some kind of wand also. In her head, she's fastfowarding using a remote. You know what would be really interesting? If Kat were actually doing magic for real, and she's just rationalizing it in her head as a technology-related thing. now i want this so much to be true |
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Post by zimmyhoo on Feb 12, 2014 20:45:37 GMT
I'm pretty sure that in Annie/Mort? vision Kat is summoning images of the arcane by reading runic codes, possibly with some kind of wand also. In her head, she's fastfowarding using a remote. You know what would be really interesting? If Kat were actually doing magic for real, and she's just rationalizing it in her head as a technology-related thing. ...... wooooah, this links right back into the Robogoddess again. I've been wondering what the point of this chapter is in the greater plot - I've always assumed it's Jeanne, but then why would Tom go through the great trouble of showing us the RoTD? It could just be for fun, but I'm thinking there's a larger reason. It started with Kat's creator status being recognized (or not) by the admins, and it's leading to her concisely figuring out the apparent complexity of the RoTD, because she's not viewing it that way. What if the RoTD's plot importance is not *mostly* Jeanne, but instead to show us and the characters that 'magic' and Kat's abilities are closely related if not the same. It would also give a meaning to the Etheric Computer - perhaps etheric abilities manifest differently in each person's head? To Kat, she's just doing what she does - tech stuff, but to Annie and Mort, it's wizardry. To Anja, it's a computer, but maybe to Surma, it'd be some kind of spell in a pendant. To the humans, they're just processes, but to the robots, they are souls. (or vice-versa) The point is, a connection to the Ether manifests differently for the mindset of a person, which ultimately gives a link between souls and mechanical ones. WMG, but just putting that out there. |
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Post by Intelligence on Feb 12, 2014 20:53:43 GMT
What are you looking at, Robe-Jerk?
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Post by Sky Schemer on Feb 12, 2014 21:02:16 GMT
What are you looking at, Robe-Jerk? He'd better not continue to piss off Kat. She's liable to come back, digitize their records, and install a CMS. |
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Post by keef on Feb 12, 2014 21:15:09 GMT
I'm pretty sure that in Annie/Mort? vision Kat is summoning images of the arcane by reading runic codes, possibly with some kind of wand also. In her head, she's fastfowarding using a remote. You know what would be really interesting? If Kat were actually doing magic for real, and she's just rationalizing it in her head as a technology-related thing. Combine that thought with Xan in the last thread: A friend of mine made a remark today about the recent comics that made me go like Kat here. Kat is seeing old technology like rolodex and VHS because she is seeing technological afterlife. She's seeing obsolete, "dead" technology. Tom, you're brilliant. She is doing magic. She is allready an angel of technology. She uses dead electronics to summon the dead. (and if you don't like that: She is doing magic. She is getting her way in a bureaucracy.)
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Post by sebastian on Feb 12, 2014 21:31:39 GMT
Isn't Kat a bit too young to remember VHS-tapes, at least to the point of considering them boringly commonplace, by the way? Just a thought I suddenly had, anyway. And I really wonder what kind of spell she appears to be conjuring from Annie and Mort's perspective... Well, the Court is still a school, I'm sure it have its share of obsolete technology. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Feb 12, 2014 22:31:55 GMT
I love that; "she's seeing something different in the most effective way possible"! Also, kind of depressing that the most effective way is also a very boring way... I also think it's kind of funny how very disappointed she is by the experience; she's going through with the whole thing with a grouchy look on her face. Doesn't help that she's got to use THIS tech. E: congrats self, you just blindly doubleposted. Great new avatar, 'hoo! In a surprisingly disturbing way, which is nice. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Feb 12, 2014 22:33:34 GMT
You know what would be really interesting? If Kat were actually doing magic for real, and she's just rationalizing it in her head as a technology-related thing. Combine that thought with Xan in the last thread: A friend of mine made a remark today about the recent comics that made me go like Kat here. Kat is seeing old technology like rolodex and VHS because she is seeing technological afterlife. She's seeing obsolete, "dead" technology. Tom, you're brilliant. She is doing magic. She is allready an angel of technology. She uses dead electronics to summon the dead. (and if you don't like that: She is doing magic. She is getting her way in a bureaucracy.)
This is lovely. This is so in line with the prophecy. |
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Post by meltea on Feb 12, 2014 23:41:35 GMT
I am eagerly awaiting for the moment when Kat realises who she really is and what she can do, whoever and whatever that might be. Those are gonna be some pretty wonderful pages. Don't think it's gonna happen in this chapter though.
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Post by SilverbackRon on Feb 13, 2014 2:08:42 GMT
I love how Kat decides to "play along" with the fact that everyone else sees and expects something magical and spectacular here, even if she sees it as mundane and indeed less than ordinary.
This chapter is quickly turning into one of my favorites. Yes, I am dying to see what the others see, but I have to admit we probably won't. Although I am sure afterwards Kat will have a talk with Annie and ask her what she saw. That would be a fun conversation.
And we have seen many a chapter that switch from comedy to suspense and/or drama, so there could be some interesting reveal coming up. (hope!)
I really like the suggestion that Kat, as goddess of robots, is seeing/using dead technology. That is hilarious and appropriate.
Kat you are blowing my mind!
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Post by KMar on Feb 13, 2014 5:07:25 GMT
You know what would be really interesting? If Kat were actually doing magic for real, and she's just rationalizing it in her head as a technology-related thing. Combine that thought with Xan in the last thread: A friend of mine made a remark today about the recent comics that made me go like Kat here. Kat is seeing old technology like rolodex and VHS because she is seeing technological afterlife. She's seeing obsolete, "dead" technology. Tom, you're brilliant. She is doing magic. She is allready an angel of technology. She uses dead electronics to summon the dead. (and if you don't like that: She is doing magic. She is getting her way in a bureaucracy.)
I just logged in to make a post about an idea so similar it's practically the same: She's doing 'angelic Robo-Goddess' tier stuff. This is her perception of being a almighty electro-etheric higher being and doing afterlife related gimmicks. Only, I wouldn't say she's rationalizing it, my take is that the ROTD (/ the ether / the universe / what-ever-this-place-is) just arranges itself into an allegory of dead technology that Kat can operate by instinct. |
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Post by fwip on Feb 13, 2014 5:22:09 GMT
I'm pretty sure that in Annie/Mort? vision Kat is summoning images of the arcane by reading runic codes, possibly with some kind of wand also. In her head, she's fastfowarding using a remote. You know what would be really interesting? If Kat were actually doing magic for real, and she's just rationalizing it in her head as a technology-related thing. now that you mention it, this makes more sense to me than the ROTD actually having VHS tapes and a Rolodex. SilverBackRon and those who agree with him made very good points as well. |
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Post by Señor Goose on Feb 13, 2014 6:11:15 GMT
I love how Kat decides to "play along" with the fact that everyone else sees and expects something magical and spectacular here, even if she sees it as mundane and indeed less than ordinary. My absolute favorite part of this page is how resigned she looks and acts. I can almost hear her rolling her eyes. She's probably thinking "Fuck it, this is all stupid anyway". While Annie and Mort are blown the hell away by her ability. |
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Post by SilverbackRon on Feb 13, 2014 9:14:28 GMT
I love how Kat decides to "play along" with the fact that everyone else sees and expects something magical and spectacular here, even if she sees it as mundane and indeed less than ordinary. My absolute favorite part of this page is how resigned she looks and acts. I can almost hear her rolling her eyes. She's probably thinking "Fuck it, this is all stupid anyway". While Annie and Mort are blown the hell away by her ability.[/quote] --------------------- And perhaps now we know the symbolism of her wearing a Vault-tec shirt in this chapter. Everything she has seen is very outdated technology that is actually being used for something supposedly incredible. (In Fallout, scientific advancement seems to use obsolete vacuum tube electronics of the 1940's & 50's, but use it to create robots and plasma guns). edit: not sure why the quote feature is working wonky on this. |
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Post by arf on Feb 13, 2014 11:25:41 GMT
It also can be important. Could it really be without reason other than make things funny? Hmm, interesting thought. It would be funny to see Tom flip the tables a bit, and have Mort or Annie do something that makes Kat's brain go sideways. Now that I think about it, both Kat and the readers (especially we forum dwellers) are being set up for it. Think about it: we know why Mort's there (official escort, though he could certainly do more) but Annie's really only been playing a supporting role, almost a prop. I can't help but feel now that something beyond the pale is going to happen which is clear to everyone but Kat, and Annie is going to have to use her etheric abilities to handle it. I'm thinking that Mort and Annie get the scoop on Jeanne's final moments. Kat gets a scratchy old episode of Dr. Who. (Hartnell regenerating into Troughton?) |
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Post by todd on Feb 13, 2014 11:46:48 GMT
Annie's really only been playing a supporting role, almost a prop. This wouldn't be the first chapter it's happened; Chapter 33 also gave her a bit role (tries to conjure up fire to rescue Kat and is immediately elbowed aside by Robot). |
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