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Post by eyemyself on Dec 27, 2013 21:05:01 GMT
I wonder how Robot interprets Kat being gay? If he does form an interpretation out of it. I don't think robots give a toss, as they are asexual themselves. In the Gunnerverse I mean. Not so sure they are asexual, they do seem to form romantic attachments, however I suspect they are probably practically speaking agendered and mostly disinterested in human romantic pairings unless they have romantic intentions towards a particular human. |
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Post by lielac on Dec 27, 2013 21:33:03 GMT
Not so sure they are asexual, they do seem to form romantic attachments, however I suspect they are probably practically speaking agendered and mostly disinterested in human romantic pairings unless they have romantic intentions towards a particular human. -delurks- Asexuality and aromanticism are two different things. Someone can feel no sexual attraction and still want to date someone because of romantic attraction. -relurks- ... ... ... robot why are you acting so creepy |
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Post by eyemyself on Dec 27, 2013 21:39:54 GMT
Not so sure they are asexual, they do seem to form romantic attachments, however I suspect they are probably practically speaking agendered and mostly disinterested in human romantic pairings unless they have romantic intentions towards a particular human. -delurks- Asexuality and aromanticism are two different things. Someone can feel no sexual attraction and still want to date someone because of romantic attraction. -relurks- ... ... ... robot why are you acting so creepyTrue, but we don't have any evidence either way with the robots. We can't really proclaim one way or the other yet as to whether or not robots can feel sexual attraction. |
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Post by keef on Dec 27, 2013 22:27:52 GMT
Not so sure they are asexual, they do seem to form romantic attachments, however I suspect they are probably practically speaking agendered and mostly disinterested in human romantic pairings unless they have romantic intentions towards a particular human. Ah, I didn't know the word agendered, I just imagined what would happen if I wrote: "Robots have no sex"  (gender in Dutch is "sekse")
The fact that Court robots can have feelings at all sets them apart from most robots in fiction, especially Asimov's.
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Post by Lightice on Dec 27, 2013 23:01:53 GMT
The fact that Court robots can have feelings at all sets them apart from most robots in fiction, especially Asimov's. But many of Asimov's robots do have emotions; some even dream! And comical companion robots from popular fiction are nearly always depicted as emotional, since an emotional tin can is an innately funny concept. |
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Post by keef on Dec 28, 2013 0:00:30 GMT
The fact that Court robots can have feelings at all sets them apart from most robots in fiction, especially Asimov's. But many of Asimov's robots do have emotions; some even dream! And comical companion robots from popular fiction are nearly always depicted as emotional, since an emotional tin can is an innately funny concept. You are right, I should reread Asimov and more. Gosh golly remember the almost suicidal robot from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, or Kryten |
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Post by lordofpotatoes on Dec 28, 2013 1:31:16 GMT
So creepy.
I'm hoping for TicToc shit, something that will bring us back to when Ys was introduced and throw us into how the court is.
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Post by GK Sierra on Dec 28, 2013 2:40:50 GMT
So creepy. I'm hoping for TicToc shit, something that will bring us back to when Ys was introduced and throw us into how the court is. Maybe we'll even... dare I say it... find some more information on this Steadman person? |
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Post by eyemyself on Dec 28, 2013 3:23:37 GMT
Or discover something about the seed bismuth?
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Post by nightwind on Dec 28, 2013 4:08:42 GMT
There is no indication that Kat had ever taken a Court robot apart at that time. She was also completely ignorant of etheric sciences. The Court seems to be inclined to keep most of its more esoteric functions secret from at least the younger students, so it makes sense that Kat had never seen an actual robot CPU before, just normal computer counterparts. Hmmm. With the Paz x Kat-Story, many people believed some things were happening off screen. You assume Kat never got curious and took a peek on a robot CPU? Really? Of course it's possible since nothing was mentioned. But I can't picture it. |
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Post by SilverbackRon on Dec 28, 2013 6:44:09 GMT
There is no indication that Kat had ever taken a Court robot apart at that time. She was also completely ignorant of etheric sciences. The Court seems to be inclined to keep most of its more esoteric functions secret from at least the younger students, so it makes sense that Kat had never seen an actual robot CPU before, just normal computer counterparts. Hmmm. With the Paz x Kat-Story, many people believed some things were happening off screen. You assume Kat never got curious and took a peek on a robot CPU? Really? Of course it's possible since nothing was mentioned. But I can't picture it. Definitely with this very chapter, a big part of the resolution depended upon stuff that previously happened off screen. But with the mystery blue part on the CPU chip having been so prominently mentioned, I can't imagine that Kat has already realized that other robots also have this, all off screen. If so, it is far past the time for that big reveal. So I am stuck with the assumption that either Robot is the only one with this part, or all Seraph types have this AND Kat just hasn't looked at any of them yet. I lean strongly toward the first option: Robot is for some reason different. |
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Post by reddyeno5 on Dec 28, 2013 7:19:33 GMT
LMFAO I was JUST About to come here to make that joke |
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Post by csj on Dec 28, 2013 8:44:38 GMT
A PUBLIC REMINDER THAT ISSUES OF ROBOTIC ROMANCE HAVE BEEN TOUCHED ON BEFORE. |
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Post by SilverbackRon on Dec 28, 2013 9:43:29 GMT
I confess, I totally don't get the Robert Paulson references and jokes that have started appearing in the forum over the past few days. I got NO IDEA what y'alls are talking about.  Edit: and with that confession, 100 posts I am a full member. Hahaha. |
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Post by Lightice on Dec 28, 2013 11:44:09 GMT
You assume Kat never got curious and took a peek on a robot CPU? Really? Of course it's possible since nothing was mentioned. But I can't picture it. Yeah, I do. Remember that this was very early on in the comic's run, before a lot of current character development had taken place. Before Annie came along, Kat had tried to keep low profile because she was afraid of getting bullied because of her good grades and teacher parents. She wasn't going around trying to solve the Court's mysteries, at all. She didn't even know that the Court was that mysterious to begin with; it was all just normal life for her. She had undoubtedly been told that harassing the robots in their work was not allowed and she didn't know anything about cupboards filled with defunct robot components that she could fiddle with. She put her anti-grav system together out of random junk because she didn't have access to proper equipment at that time. All that put together, it really doesn't seem that pre-Annie Kat would have had enough of an anti-authoritarian streak to go against the Court's rules and try to mess with stuff she didn't know about. She might have asked if she could get a decommissioned robot to play with, but unlike Annie, she would have taken "no" for an answer. I confess, I totally don't get the Robert Paulson references and jokes that have started appearing in the forum over the past few days. I got NO IDEA what y'alls are talking about. A reference to the movie Fight Club. Not going to spoil you, you have to see it for yourself. Lets just say that there is a scene where a pointless, stupid death is blown up to be immensly significant and meaningful |
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Post by SilverbackRon on Dec 28, 2013 11:53:25 GMT
I confess, I totally don't get the Robert Paulson references and jokes that have started appearing in the forum over the past few days. I got NO IDEA what y'alls are talking about. A reference to the movie Fight Club. Not going to spoil you, you have to see it for yourself. Lets just say that there is a scene where a pointless, stupid death is blown up to be immensly significant and meaningful Ok, thanks. I had tried googling Robert Paulson and Fight Club (a movie I have not seen) was the only significant reference that seemed to match. But having not seen it... I wasn't sure. Back to the topic, if a Tic-Toc grows when "planted" in the ground, what are the chances that something will sprout in this dirt patch outside of Kat's lab? |
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Post by eyemyself on Dec 28, 2013 14:03:15 GMT
Definitely with this very chapter, a big part of the resolution depended upon stuff that previously happened off screen. But with the mystery blue part on the CPU chip having been so prominently mentioned, I can't imagine that Kat has already realized that other robots also have this, all off screen. If so, it is far past the time for that big reveal. So I am stuck with the assumption that either Robot is the only one with this part, or all Seraph types have this AND Kat just hasn't looked at any of them yet. I lean strongly toward the first option: Robot is for some reason different.This is my thinking as well. Robot acting different is fairly well established at this point: here skywatcher refers to him as "the strange clothed robot" (also of note, the fact that he is leading a change in the rest of the court robots), here admin robot mentions "all the trouble he causes" and goes on to explain that his CPU is being studied (also of note, there are many, many other CPUs in research and Rey makes a crack about "trouble in the ranks." Possible foreshadowing?), and his prophesying was seen as the "spreading of disinformation and rumor" by the other S-models which certainly set him apart and was what originally singled him out for decommissioning. The mystery part that was noticed by Kat was very prominently pointed out, and it would seem odd at this point to create a robot who is unlike the other robots, write in a spare part that our "main babe" who has the best handle on understanding robots and other machines can't figure out, and then have it as just an ordinary thing and use something else as the explanation for his odd behavior. |
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Post by Toloc on Dec 28, 2013 14:41:04 GMT
But many of Asimov's robots do have emotions; some even dream! And comical companion robots from popular fiction are nearly always depicted as emotional, since an emotional tin can is an innately funny concept. You are right, I should reread Asimov and more. Gosh golly remember the almost suicidal robot from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, or Kryten While we're talking about Asimov, I'd like to point towards the excellent "Reason" which is about a robot developing religion. I really hope this PDF is legal! |
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Post by lordofpotatoes on Dec 28, 2013 14:42:07 GMT
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Post by eyemyself on Dec 28, 2013 14:47:10 GMT
Well there is also this with that particular caption. (Oh that caption.) We know Kat isn't just an ordinary little girl... I don't know that that makes the fanaticism displayed by robot any less unnerving for me though. |
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Post by TBeholder on Dec 28, 2013 14:53:41 GMT
Definitely with this very chapter, a big part of the resolution depended upon stuff that previously happened off screen. But with the mystery blue part on the CPU chip having been so prominently mentioned, I can't imagine that Kat has already realized that other robots also have this, all off screen. If so, it is far past the time for that big reveal. Why not? With the cursed teapot so prominently mentioned... So I am stuck with the assumption that either Robot is the only one with this part, or all Seraph types have this AND Kat just hasn't looked at any of them yet. I lean strongly toward the first option: Robot is for some reason different. ...or all Court robots have it AND Kat just hasn't looked at any of them yet. Or... |
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Post by warrl on Dec 28, 2013 15:46:18 GMT
Back to the topic, if a Tic-Toc grows when "planted" in the ground, what are the chances that something will sprout in this dirt patch outside of Kat's lab? 1. We have only Ysengrin's word that the Tic-Toc grew when planted. There is evidence that Ysengrin made untrue statements about that incident and as far as we have been shown there is no independent verification of that specific statement. 2. The Tic-Tocs' origin is not known. They could be substantially different from the robots. 3. What was buried was not a broken robot or a collection of robot parts. It was a small pile of ash. Logically I'd say it's extremely unlikely that anything will grow from that ash. However... (last speech bubble on page) |
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Post by TBeholder on Dec 28, 2013 15:52:39 GMT
What amuses me is how people comment on Kat's words being misinterpretated. Specifically, the part where everyone knows exactly how S13 got it wrong - and every time it's different.
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Post by nightwind on Dec 28, 2013 16:07:07 GMT
All that put together, it really doesn't seem that pre-Annie Kat would have had enough of an anti-authoritarian streak to go against the Court's rules and try to mess with stuff she didn't know about. She might have asked if she could get a decommissioned robot to play with, but unlike Annie, she would have taken "no" for an answer. I wasn't talking about pre-Annie Kat at all. I thought of Kat-the-angel. All she would have to do is ask politely: "May I have a look at your CPU?" Seraph: "For science! And the angel!" |
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Post by Per on Dec 28, 2013 16:36:51 GMT
1. We have only Ysengrin's word that the Tic-Toc grew when planted. There is evidence that Ysengrin made untrue statements about that incident and as far as we have been shown there is no independent verification of that specific statement. But the camera cuts away to show the growth when he's talking about it! How could he fake that! |
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Post by Lightice on Dec 28, 2013 16:37:26 GMT
I wasn't talking about pre-Annie Kat at all. I thought of Kat-the-angel. All she would have to do is ask politely: "May I have a look at your CPU?" Seraph: "For science! And the angel!" But then there's no indication that the mysterious component would be unique for Robot, at all. It was a mystery for Kat early on when she first got to glimpse a Court robot's CPU, but it has never come up since, which to me would imply that it's not strange or unique, after all, just something that Kat hadn't seen before due to her inexperience concerning robot brains. Surely Kat would have mentioned it on screen later on if it turned out that no other Court robot would have it, and surely the other Seraphs would have quickly determined that it's the cause of S13's erratic behaviour. |
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Post by fuzzyone on Dec 28, 2013 19:07:32 GMT
Back to the topic, if a Tic-Toc grows when "planted" in the ground, what are the chances that something will sprout in this dirt patch outside of Kat's lab? 1. We have only Ysengrin's word that the Tic-Toc grew when planted. There is evidence that Ysengrin made untrue statements about that incident and as far as we have been shown there is no independent verification of that specific statement. 2. The Tic-Tocs' origin is not known. They could be substantially different from the robots. 3. What was buried was not a broken robot or a collection of robot parts. It was a small pile of ash. Logically I'd say it's extremely unlikely that anything will grow from that ash. However... (last speech bubble on page) There is a component people are missing when talking of growing tictocs. On a reread, I noticed something in particular about the night in question. Here we see when Annie got her aetheric scar. Here We see Ysengrin drop the damaged tictoc. You will note that there is significantly more wiring to the tictoc at the later date than when it was first planted. At first, I thuoght it was merely a function of the Forest. I drew the connection, like in C. S. Lewis' "The Magician's Nephew," the magic so suffused the ground, that anything planted there would grow. Which explained the sprawling nature of the court... it wasn't built, it was grown. But there's the aspect of Annie's Aetheric blood soaking into the dirt. Tom showed that. He drew it on purpose. And we know the man has long-reaching plans. Two easily overlooked panels... But I believe that it is this blood that caused the tictoc to grow when buried there. Did Ysengrin know what would happen? Perhaps. Perhaps he could detect the blood in the soil. But I don't think we can overlook the aspect of Annie's blood. |
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Post by chaosvii on Dec 29, 2013 22:00:55 GMT
Every time I read this page I think of how Shadow2 reacted to Robot's previous religious talk.  |
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Post by fishtie on Dec 30, 2013 20:15:14 GMT
1. We have only Ysengrin's word that the Tic-Toc grew when planted. There is evidence that Ysengrin made untrue statements about that incident and as far as we have been shown there is no independent verification of that specific statement. 2. The Tic-Tocs' origin is not known. They could be substantially different from the robots. 3. What was buried was not a broken robot or a collection of robot parts. It was a small pile of ash. Logically I'd say it's extremely unlikely that anything will grow from that ash. However... (last speech bubble on page) There is a component people are missing when talking of growing tictocs. On a reread, I noticed something in particular about the night in question. Here we see when Annie got her aetheric scar. Here We see Ysengrin drop the damaged tictoc. You will note that there is significantly more wiring to the tictoc at the later date than when it was first planted. At first, I thuoght it was merely a function of the Forest. I drew the connection, like in C. S. Lewis' "The Magician's Nephew," the magic so suffused the ground, that anything planted there would grow. Which explained the sprawling nature of the court... it wasn't built, it was grown. But there's the aspect of Annie's Aetheric blood soaking into the dirt. Tom showed that. He drew it on purpose. And we know the man has long-reaching plans. Two easily overlooked panels... But I believe that it is this blood that caused the tictoc to grow when buried there. Did Ysengrin know what would happen? Perhaps. Perhaps he could detect the blood in the soil. But I don't think we can overlook the aspect of Annie's blood. Hate to naysay (a lie), but that seems quite an insight for someone who thought it was Anthony at first. |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Dec 30, 2013 21:30:32 GMT
Or he was forced to forget things.
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(gender in Dutch is "sekse")
