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Post by Intelligence on Dec 9, 2013 19:46:47 GMT
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Post by Honeydolphin on Dec 9, 2013 19:49:14 GMT
... Please don't diminish me to a mere dolphin. I am much more. I have graduated with a pjs in psychology from 7 different universities. I have lead 12 different armies to victory. AND I have solved a quarrel between 2 neighbours. i am much more than a dolphin that does stupid tricks.
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Post by The Anarch on Dec 9, 2013 19:51:56 GMT
i am much more than a dolphin that does stupid tricks. Stupid tricks? That was an amazing trick!
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Post by quinkgirl on Dec 9, 2013 20:06:20 GMT
i am much more than a dolphin that does stupid tricks. Stupid tricks? That was an amazing trick! Holy... That's an air bubble. I thought it was a ribbon or something. Yeah, that is really amazing.
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Post by Lightice on Dec 9, 2013 20:26:10 GMT
I registered on these forums just to say that I really love Annie's body language on this page. Welcome aboard!
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Post by sabriel on Dec 9, 2013 20:34:43 GMT
I'm surprised more people don't relate to this more deeply. I've had this exact conversation before (on Annie's end), and I still have this problem sometimes, despite being some kind of adultish-type thing.
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Post by Nepycros on Dec 9, 2013 20:53:16 GMT
If you think an emotionally distant person who showed little affection and whose name was Anthony is an important person, then sure, be that way. Your father is an important person no matter how emotionally distant he is or what his name is. This is especially true when he willingly chooses not to interact with you - that, arguably, makes him the most important person in your life because you'll spend an inordinate amount of time wondering why you weren't worth his while to speak to and coming up with reasons to explain his absence. It can become a rather toxic preoccupation, leading to a lot of repressed insecurities. Regardless, I still maintain that Tony is secretly awesome. You'll all see. He'll be the coolest. "Makes him the most important in your life..." "Most important." Oh yes, CERTAINLY. Let's look back at Annie's life and see just how much of her is influenced by dear Anthony. When she met the minotaur, she secretly thought of her dad while she pleasantly talked with the mythical beast. When she met the pixies at the Annan Rivers, she was CLEARLY considering her father's choice of words to her (if any) before deciding not to step on them. When she confronted the Death Guides, she wasn't thinking about her mother at all! It was all her dad. Every time her mother is brought up, she's clearly obsessed with how her father is involved. And when she met Coyote, she's no doubt considering her father in every possible way at the slightest MENTION of his name when Ysengrin held up her uniform. Let's face it, every defining moment of Annie's life that we've seen is EASILY attributed to Anthony. How could I be so blind? Thank you for clearing that up. He is the MOST important person in her life, because every defining trait we've gotten from her as she's developed independently for the past few years is all just a way for us to see Tony's awesomeness.
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Post by Señor Goose on Dec 9, 2013 21:00:41 GMT
Your father is an important person no matter how emotionally distant he is or what his name is. This is especially true when he willingly chooses not to interact with you - that, arguably, makes him the most important person in your life because you'll spend an inordinate amount of time wondering why you weren't worth his while to speak to and coming up with reasons to explain his absence. It can become a rather toxic preoccupation, leading to a lot of repressed insecurities. Regardless, I still maintain that Tony is secretly awesome. You'll all see. He'll be the coolest. "Makes him the most important in your life..." "Most important." Oh yes, CERTAINLY. Let's look back at Annie's life and see just how much of her is influenced by dear Anthony. When she met the minotaur, she secretly thought of her dad while she pleasantly talked with the mythical beast. When she met the pixies at the Annan Rivers, she was CLEARLY considering her father's choice of words to her (if any) before deciding not to step on them. When she confronted the Death Guides, she wasn't thinking about her mother at all! It was all her dad. Every time her mother is brought up, she's clearly obsessed with how her father is involved. And when she met Coyote, she's no doubt considering her father in every possible way at the slightest MENTION of his name when Ysengrin held up her uniform. Let's face it, every defining moment of Annie's life that we've seen is EASILY attributed to Anthony. How could I be so blind? Thank you for clearing that up. He is the MOST important person in her life, because every defining trait we've gotten from her as she's developed independently for the past few years is all just a way for us to see Tony's awesomeness. Cool it dude. As much as we love when Tom comes down here, he's a busy guy and if he has to come through with the b& hammer again he's not gonna just walk it through.
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Post by Nepycros on Dec 9, 2013 21:02:22 GMT
"Makes him the most important in your life..." "Most important." Oh yes, CERTAINLY. Let's look back at Annie's life and see just how much of her is influenced by dear Anthony. When she met the minotaur, she secretly thought of her dad while she pleasantly talked with the mythical beast. When she met the pixies at the Annan Rivers, she was CLEARLY considering her father's choice of words to her (if any) before deciding not to step on them. When she confronted the Death Guides, she wasn't thinking about her mother at all! It was all her dad. Every time her mother is brought up, she's clearly obsessed with how her father is involved. And when she met Coyote, she's no doubt considering her father in every possible way at the slightest MENTION of his name when Ysengrin held up her uniform. Let's face it, every defining moment of Annie's life that we've seen is EASILY attributed to Anthony. How could I be so blind? Thank you for clearing that up. He is the MOST important person in her life, because every defining trait we've gotten from her as she's developed independently for the past few years is all just a way for us to see Tony's awesomeness. Cool it dude. As much as we love when Tom comes down here, he's a busy guy and if he has to come through with the b& hammer again he's not gonna just walk it through. I hadn't thought this post was ban-worthy. I was contesting my associate's claim.
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Post by warrl on Dec 9, 2013 21:05:55 GMT
I have graduated with a pjs in psychology from 7 different universities. Pajamas in psychology?
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Post by Señor Goose on Dec 9, 2013 21:06:59 GMT
Cool it dude. As much as we love when Tom comes down here, he's a busy guy and if he has to come through with the b& hammer again he's not gonna just walk it through. I hadn't thought this post was ban-worthy. I was contesting my associate's claim. Not by itself, but it's when it escalates that it becomes a problem. Just be careful.
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Post by Nepycros on Dec 9, 2013 21:08:19 GMT
I hadn't thought this post was ban-worthy. I was contesting my associate's claim. Not by itself, but it's when it escalates that it becomes a problem. Just be careful. Point taken. Thanks.
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Post by GK Sierra on Dec 9, 2013 21:10:55 GMT
I hadn't thought this post was ban-worthy. I was contesting my associate's claim. Not by itself, but it's when it escalates that it becomes a problem. Just be careful. I think we're all mature desensitized enough not to take sarcasm seriously. Nepycros was directing (well-deserved) ire at Tony, not at the person quoted. I have lead led 12 different armies to victory. AND I have solved a quarrel between 2 neighbours. Have you ever thought of working for the federal government? 7 degrees is just about the right amount of over-qualification.
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Post by Purgatorius on Dec 9, 2013 21:18:08 GMT
I'm surprised more people don't relate to this more deeply. I've had this exact conversation before (on Annie's end), and I still have this problem sometimes, despite being some kind of adultish-type thing. As for me, I... don't know what to say. What Annie says is true. Kat will one day leave her. Their relationship will not be the same if any of them has someone else as number one in her life. So if Kat's och Paz's relationship will last, it means a great difference for Annie, and not for the better.
I've also been in Annie's position. It is not funny. I used to share an apartment with my best friend when we were students. Then he fell in love with a girl, they got married and moved in with each other, and I... well, read today's comic page. Of course, we are still friends, but it's not the kind of relationship we used to have.
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Post by GK Sierra on Dec 9, 2013 21:33:02 GMT
I would have dismissed Annies words as bad dialogue if I had not heard almost the exact phrasing before in real life. Abandonment issues are no joke.
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Post by lit on Dec 9, 2013 21:36:58 GMT
I just re-read A Handful of Dirt and Broken Glass and Other Things and it made me have a lot of feelings, because of this page. EDIT: And yeah, I've had very special, important, close friendships with people, then got utterly abandoned when they found a partner. It's a thing.
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Post by zimmyhoo on Dec 9, 2013 21:41:53 GMT
Poor Annie. Well if you think about it two of the most important people in here life left her so this is a big issue for her. If you think an emotionally distant person who showed little affection and whose name was Anthony is an important person, then sure, be that way. As somebody named Anthony, I take personal offensive at those italics. *such pout*
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Post by TBeholder on Dec 9, 2013 21:58:56 GMT
This is a sad page. Good to see Renard (and other people) were mistaken when suggesting Ann might be alittle bit of a bigot. How so? You mean, she would be upset that Paz goes out with etheric-dumb Kat? I have graduated with a pjs in psychology from 7 different universities. Pajamas in psychology? Hmmm... Ah. "Pajamas" is an euphemism, right?
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Post by GK Sierra on Dec 9, 2013 22:04:12 GMT
Hmmm... Ah. "Pajamas" is an euphemism, right? Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...
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Post by legion on Dec 9, 2013 22:11:38 GMT
I'm surprised more people don't relate to this more deeply. I've had this exact conversation before (on Annie's end), and I still have this problem sometimes, despite being some kind of adultish-type thing. I don't relate to the fear of losing friends because I never had that fear; and when I did lose all my friends I got over it quickly.
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Post by philman on Dec 9, 2013 22:18:55 GMT
Your father is an important person no matter how emotionally distant he is or what his name is. This is especially true when he willingly chooses not to interact with you - that, arguably, makes him the most important person in your life because you'll spend an inordinate amount of time wondering why you weren't worth his while to speak to and coming up with reasons to explain his absence. It can become a rather toxic preoccupation, leading to a lot of repressed insecurities. Regardless, I still maintain that Tony is secretly awesome. You'll all see. He'll be the coolest. "Makes him the most important in your life..." "Most important." Oh yes, CERTAINLY. Let's look back at Annie's life and see just how much of her is influenced by dear Anthony. When she met the minotaur, she secretly thought of her dad while she pleasantly talked with the mythical beast. When she met the pixies at the Annan Rivers, she was CLEARLY considering her father's choice of words to her (if any) before deciding not to step on them. When she confronted the Death Guides, she wasn't thinking about her mother at all! It was all her dad. Every time her mother is brought up, she's clearly obsessed with how her father is involved. And when she met Coyote, she's no doubt considering her father in every possible way at the slightest MENTION of his name when Ysengrin held up her uniform. Let's face it, every defining moment of Annie's life that we've seen is EASILY attributed to Anthony. How could I be so blind? Thank you for clearing that up. He is the MOST important person in her life, because every defining trait we've gotten from her as she's developed independently for the past few years is all just a way for us to see Tony's awesomeness. overreaction much?
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Post by Señor Goose on Dec 9, 2013 22:20:59 GMT
If you think an emotionally distant person who showed little affection and whose name was Anthony is an important person, then sure, be that way. As somebody named Anthony, I take personal offensive at those italics. *such pout* You bastard, how could you abandon your own daughter like that?
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Post by Honeydolphin on Dec 9, 2013 22:31:33 GMT
Hmmm... Ah. "Pajamas" is an euphemism, right? Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar... Sometimes a cigar is just when an iPhone decides to autocorrect it from elephant.
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Post by philman on Dec 9, 2013 22:34:34 GMT
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar... Sometimes a cigar is just when an iPhone decides to autocorrect it from elephant. Now all I can think about is an Elephant in pyjamas. Which then reminds me of an owl in pyjamas.
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Post by Deepbluediver on Dec 9, 2013 22:47:15 GMT
Geez Annie, way to be a downer. There are totally TONS of ways to fix this. .... like... uhm, well there's.... .... give me just a sec.... ... OH! I know!
Polyamory!
Bam, done, problem solved.
Now can we all PLEASE CHEER UP before I start needing to hang out with my friends Mr. Vodka and Mr. Cheapboxwine again?
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Post by basser on Dec 9, 2013 22:57:08 GMT
Your father is an important person no matter how emotionally distant he is or what his name is. This is especially true when he willingly chooses not to interact with you - that, arguably, makes him the most important person in your life because you'll spend an inordinate amount of time wondering why you weren't worth his while to speak to and coming up with reasons to explain his absence. It can become a rather toxic preoccupation, leading to a lot of repressed insecurities. Regardless, I still maintain that Tony is secretly awesome. You'll all see. He'll be the coolest. "Makes him the most important in your life..." "Most important." Oh yes, CERTAINLY. Let's look back at Annie's life and see just how much of her is influenced by dear Anthony. When she met the minotaur, she secretly thought of her dad while she pleasantly talked with the mythical beast. When she met the pixies at the Annan Rivers, she was CLEARLY considering her father's choice of words to her (if any) before deciding not to step on them. When she confronted the Death Guides, she wasn't thinking about her mother at all! It was all her dad. Every time her mother is brought up, she's clearly obsessed with how her father is involved. And when she met Coyote, she's no doubt considering her father in every possible way at the slightest MENTION of his name when Ysengrin held up her uniform. Let's face it, every defining moment of Annie's life that we've seen is EASILY attributed to Anthony. How could I be so blind? Thank you for clearing that up. He is the MOST important person in her life, because every defining trait we've gotten from her as she's developed independently for the past few years is all just a way for us to see Tony's awesomeness. Wow mate. You got some anger over a fictional character there or what. You want a hug or something? For the record you sort of didn't even disprove my point, though...? I said an absent father may become the "most important" person in your life not because of anything he said or did to you, but because of the unconscious psychological ramifications his absence will have on a young child's sense of self-worth. Just because I don't consciously think of my dad in every situation doesn't mean the reality of his abandonment wouldn't affect my outlook on later events, especially being distrustful of the idea of permanence or lasting relationships. You have to imagine what it's like to know you were cast aside by someone whom you are a literal part of. If even your own flesh and blood doesn't have much interest in interacting with you, what does that say about you as a person? This is what many (dare I say most) abandoned children go through in bits and pieces of introspection as they grow up parent-less. I'm projecting strongly onto the character here, obviously, but Annie's family dynamic is pretty similar to mine so it makes sense in my head to extrapolate. You don't have to agree. To disagree by being kind of a sarcastic turd about it isn't really warranted but if you feel so inclined more power to you, I don't really mind. And lastly oh my gosh you silly thing, I didn't mean Tony is awesome because of what he did to Annie! That's psychopathic. I meant I hope he'll be awesome despite what he's done to her. I'd like to see him have some grand higher purpose he's been working on this whole time which will force us to decide whether his character can be redeemed. A case of karmic balance, delicately teetering between complete monster and guardian angel. Abandon your child to save her? Can we condone such actions? Aaaah it would be so complicated and cool. Above all though the dudes got a bitchin' magic satellite and I don't think there's any way that's not kickass.
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Post by crater on Dec 9, 2013 23:16:17 GMT
oh man thanks for posting Broken Glass. What a great reread. Ann takes impending death like a boss I am sure of it This is a sad page. Good to see Renard (and other people) were mistaken when suggesting Ann might be alittle bit of a bigot. How so? You mean, she would be upset that Paz goes out with etheric-dumb Kat? Pajamas in psychology? Hmmm... Ah. "Pajamas" is an euphemism, right? I guess what I'm getting at is something like this: We've seen how Ann was with Jack (and Renard, and how Surma was with Renard too hahah). She knowingly used "interest" and "romance" as a means to hurt him. So we know Ann has the capability and mind to use Kat's "interest" against her if she so wanted. Thankfully, Annie isn't biggoted at all. And doesn't seem to give two flips about who Kat is kissing, only the implications. (for now at least) IMO Kat's first real insecurity is her homosexuality. If Ann wasn't so vulnerable right now she'd totally notice that. I guess I don't really have a good point to make but whatever I just typed all of this BS so I am posting it.
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Post by zimmyhoo on Dec 9, 2013 23:42:16 GMT
As somebody named Anthony, I take personal offensive at those italics. *such pout* You bastard, how could you abandon your own daughter like that? I AM NOT A BASTARD! Oh, and she was getting annoying.
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Post by lit on Dec 9, 2013 23:47:14 GMT
Kat's face in the last panel reminds me of Winsbury and Janet here.
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Post by Nepycros on Dec 9, 2013 23:53:59 GMT
Wow mate. You got some anger over a fictional character there or what. You want a hug or something? For the record you sort of didn't even disprove my point, though...? I said an absent father may become the "most important" person in your life not because of anything he said or did to you, but because of the unconscious psychological ramifications his absence will have on a young child's sense of self-worth. Just because I don't consciously think of my dad in every situation doesn't mean the reality of his abandonment wouldn't affect my outlook on later events, especially being distrustful of the idea of permanence or lasting relationships. You have to imagine what it's like to know you were cast aside by someone whom you are a literal part of. If even your own flesh and blood doesn't have much interest in interacting with you, what does that say about you as a person? This is what many (dare I say most) abandoned children go through in bits and pieces of introspection as they grow up parent-less. I'm projecting strongly onto the character here, obviously, but Annie's family dynamic is pretty similar to mine so it makes sense in my head to extrapolate. You don't have to agree. To disagree by being kind of a sarcastic turd about it isn't really warranted but if you feel so inclined more power to you, I don't really mind. And lastly oh my gosh you silly thing, I didn't mean Tony is awesome because of what he did to Annie! That's psychopathic. I meant I hope he'll be awesome despite what he's done to her. I'd like to see him have some grand higher purpose he's been working on this whole time which will force us to decide whether his character can be redeemed. A case of karmic balance, delicately teetering between complete monster and guardian angel. Abandon your child to save her? Can we condone such actions? Aaaah it would be so complicated and cool. Above all though the dudes got a bitchin' magic satellite and I don't think there's any way that's not kickass. 1. No hugs, thanks, though. Please don't misconstrue my tone to mean abject hatred towards a believably distant fictional personality. More, still, I'm attempting to place absurdity on the idea that we should consider folks who have absolutely no interaction with her to be more important COMPARED to characters that are visibly having an impact on her growth and development. Don't give the man too much credit, there are other people there that've done her some good. 2. "that, arguably, makes him the most important person in your life because you'll..." Semantics to the forefront of this point, you never said 'may become' the most important person, you took a hypothetical anecdote that you fitted with absolutist remarks. 3. If it's true that Tony's impact on her is the 'most important' because it happened earliest in her life, I'd still argue that her mother is more influential than Anthony ever could be. Annie walked her into oblivion/the ether/whatever shortly after she learned what death actually was. That's pretty traumatic. 4. Extrapolating is fine, I feel sympathy for your own personal life even without proper details given. 5. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to agree/disagree with. Your extrapolation? That's perfectly fine, we rationalize and adapt our thinking on an hourly basis. 6. I am a silly thing, thank you for noticing. Satellites rule.
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