Omnium
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Post by Omnium on Nov 30, 2013 16:18:25 GMT
Coyote is both a trickster and able to change his appearance at will. No reason why he couldn't make a pebble look like a tooth to make Annie think he replaced the one he gave her.
This is the part where someone tells me that while he could do that, it would be out of character for him.
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Post by quinkgirl on Nov 30, 2013 16:24:07 GMT
Coyote is both a trickster and able to change his appearance at will. No reason why he couldn't make a pebble look like a tooth to make Annie think he replaced the one he gave her. This is the part where someone tells me that while he could do that, it would be out of character for him. Psh... I have no idea what goes on in that guy's head, so for all I know you could be right. |
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Post by Mezzaphor on Nov 30, 2013 19:55:22 GMT
Non-verbal deception is perfectly in-character for Coyote.
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Post by quinkgirl on Nov 30, 2013 22:47:04 GMT
Non-verbal deception is perfectly in-character for Coyote. Hm... Is he genuinely worried about what Annie thinks though? That's what I want to know. |
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Post by chaosvii on Nov 30, 2013 23:30:40 GMT
Non-verbal deception is perfectly in-character for Coyote. Hm... Is he genuinely worried about what Annie thinks though? That's what I want to know. I wouldn't call it "worried" so much as as "is hiding something that is hilarious from Annie (and by extension, the readers) for nefarious hilarious reasons." |
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Post by quinkgirl on Nov 30, 2013 23:32:54 GMT
Hm... Is he genuinely worried about what Annie thinks though? That's what I want to know. I wouldn't call it "worried" so much as as "is hiding something from both Annie (and by extension, the readers)" Psh, sounds like him  I wonder if he's ever sincere? |
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Post by philman on Nov 30, 2013 23:33:39 GMT
Non-verbal deception is perfectly in-character for Coyote. Hm... Is he genuinely worried about what Annie thinks though? That's what I want to know. No, but I think he doesn't want people to know more than he wants them too. The more misunderstandings and confusions that may result, then the more entertaining for Coyote... |
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Post by chaosvii on Nov 30, 2013 23:36:40 GMT
I wouldn't call it "worried" so much as as "is hiding something from both Annie (and by extension, the readers)" Psh, sounds like him I wonder if he's ever sincere? His laughter always stuck me as genuine. |
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Post by Omnium on Dec 1, 2013 0:10:43 GMT
Non-verbal deception is perfectly in-character for Coyote. Hm... Is he genuinely worried about what Annie thinks though? That's what I want to know. Not directly. There's much more fun to be had if as few people as possible know he's just given away a portion of his power, though. It would also explain why he didn't want anyone in the forest finding out that he'd given Annie the tooth. Some of them (Ysengrin, in particular) would be able to figure out he's not got that power any more, and where's the fun in THAT? |
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Post by Nnelg on Dec 1, 2013 1:20:35 GMT
I think the item is a Chekov's Gun that is aimed squarely at Jones. I agree, it seems pretty obviously "meant" for Jones in a meta sense... Of course, that could be a red herring. In an in-universe sense, though, I think it's intended purpose (Coyote's intent, at least) is to kill Jeanne. After all, Coyote gifted it just after seeing Annie's scar; from that he could have deduced that "Annan Waters Barrier" took the form of guardian entity. As for the Annan Waters, Coyote has a mouth full of such teeth so it probably would not be hard to create the ravine. Unless the physical tooth is just symbolic. A token of the transfer of power. After all, why should it matter if a tooth or a paw/claw is used? This isn't some physical reaction we're talking about. Um, remember when Parely dropped it? It didn't proceed to split the earth in half. But maybe you have to intend to? It did cut the floor, though. It's quite different from 'unstoppable force versus immovable object', it's unseverable bonds vs *maybe* edge which can sever anything, which can either mean it is extremely thin yet strong, or it is something else rather non-physical. If it's thin yet strong, does that mean it's one atom thick? It's a field? It didn't look that thin, so I don't know. If it's perfectly thing, whatever it cuts will just rebond after it passes, and that ball bearing looked rather pushed apart. That lever action would take work, as it is pushing a mass (half of whatever's cut) away against its inertia – it's got to accelerate the halves in different directions. That would imply if something light enough to not be pulled down and aside by its own weight would not be cut, it'd just stay stuck on top simply because there's not enough work in it's attraction to the earth to be pulled to the sides, but that's probably not a possibly situation so we'll just forget that. Maybe it's frictionless, but that still wouldn't explain how it could slice through Robot so easily, because there's still the consideration that by being pulled through him, it's pushing his top half up. So something odd is going on there, and the reason I can't minutephysics this is because we don't have a solid definition of either what Coyote's tooth or Jones is. Jones is simpler, however, because it seems like she's held together by infinitely strong bonds, similar to the gluons in an atom's nucleus, which hold together protons even though they are electromagnetically repelled a great deal. However, like the gluons, this means that there's a great deal of energy that would be released in breaking those bonds, well, not really. The reason that we get energy from busting up uranium is because, like electrons, nuclear particles come in energy shells also. However, these shells are a lot bigger, but they still have very stable configurations, such as the electrical configurations of noble gases. One of these is lead – its nucleus is a noble gas of nuclei. Because of this, smaller elements, such as hydrogen and helium, like the electrons in oxygen and fluorine, want to become bigger. Large elements, such as uranium and thorium, want to become smaller. The reason why is because lead's protons/neutrons are all very low energy relative to each other. Therefore, when uranium breaks apart, it approaches a lower energy configuration, but the excess energy has to go somewhere. That's where the energy comes from. Similarly, when hydrogen fuses, it becomes lower energy. However, no energy will be released if uranium fuses or helium breaks apart (hydrogen can't do that, silly), it will actually require energy, since it's going backwards. Still, being bonded in any way is much, much lower energy than kicking around as loose protons. This is why it can be said lose protons have potential energy, just because they aren't bonded – if they do bond, energy will be released. This potential energy actually is manifested as a bit of mass, due to E=MC^2. So if Jones cannot break apart, then she is formed with infinitely low energy everything, which means it'd need infinite energy to change anything. Therefore, when they did that x-ray, of course she just absorbed all the energy in the x-ray waves. Also, without energy... one now realizes why she's so cold. *ba dum pish* It's kinda like she'd bonded with the black hole of inter-particle forces. However, since it'd release infinite energy to drop to a level of infinity low energy, whatever she's made up of will have no energy at all – and therefore no mass. Soooo.... we've established firmly that Jones and Coyote's tooth are fiction. No physics simulations for you! You're still thinking of Jones and the Tooth like physical objects. As you concluded, they cannot be sufficiently described in that way. Try thinking of them as philosophical objects instead. Abstract concepts made concrete. Sets of rules, rather than physical objects. The Tooth Cuts. Whatever it passes though is Cut. The constituent atoms of the Cut objects aren't subjected to Electroweak interactions, but rather the objects themselves are subjected to the ideal form of "Cutting". Now, The Tooth does not Cut all things. Some things are not Cut (for instance, Shadow 2); rather, some other interaction takes place. We do not know what things The Tooth will not Cut, nor what interaction occurs instead. Jones is Stone, meaning (among other things) Solid. This implies "can not be Cut"; however, we know not what limits apply to her Solidness. It remains to be seen if The Tooth can Cut Jones, or if Jones shall remain Solid. And what other interactions might occur... |
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Post by quinkgirl on Dec 1, 2013 1:23:14 GMT
Um, remember when Parely dropped it? It didn't proceed to split the earth in half. But maybe you have to intend to? It did cut the floor, though. I'd ask for a refund if it didn't xD |
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Post by zimmyhoo on Dec 1, 2013 1:37:51 GMT
But what about the pebble, which Coyote turned onto a tooth? If he were to remove it later, would it still be a tooth or turn back into a rock? My gut feeling is that it'd still be a rock. But maybe it will just be whatever he desires it to be. |
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Post by TBeholder on Dec 1, 2013 2:37:50 GMT
Yup. That said - inb4 CoyoteReborn: Coyote: The fire-headed girl is fun, but so gullible! Why, not a month ago she let some silly wisp fool herself. Coyote: Oh, and once I told her tham the ravine with Annan Waters was made by My mighty paw, and she still believes this. Of course, I did it with my tooth. She believes everything! Hahahahaha! |
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