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Post by La Poire on Jan 27, 2007 20:46:23 GMT
I find it interesting to see how he alchemical symbols relate to the characters they represent, but I still don't get any connection between Eglamore and lead...
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Post by missushow on Jan 27, 2007 21:36:32 GMT
It says that lead is the first and oldest...which is interesting... He seems to be a warrior of some sort, maybe he's sort of like 'the last...warrior' of the old... (haha. Hesitating to write samurai because I hate that movieee).
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Post by aoeniac on Jan 27, 2007 21:54:09 GMT
It could be that we're only thinking of things in the alchemical sense because his lead symbol is the alchemical one. It could just be that the lead symbol looks a lot cooler than "Pb" emblazoned on his chest.
Personally, I think we're supposed to think of this in both the alchemical and the contemporary sense. Lead is the oldest according to alchemy, so what missushow said makes a lot of sense. Also, lead is heavy and solid, and Mr. E is totally ripped. See what I'm getting at?
So Reynardine's connection to Mercury could also have to do with his "fluid" nature in that he can take over other bodies, essentually taking on their form like a liquid metal in a mold. Mercury also causes neural degeneration, just like how Reynardine's hosts die.
Antimony... er... well it's a metalloid. It resembles metals in its physical appearance but does not behave like a metal in chemical reactions. This is a stretch but it could have something to do with how Annie has a sort of emotional mask that we only get to see behind in the most "reactive" of situations due to how she's so used to the paranormal and conceals her anger and sadness very well. Antimony also has a lot of uses as an element, which could attest to Annie's overall adeptness.
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Post by missushow on Jan 27, 2007 22:02:01 GMT
Wow, this is super interesting.
I was looking at the alchemy dictionary, and I looked up mercury:
'convinced alchemists that mercury transcended both the solid and liquid states, both earth and heaven, both life and death. It symbolized Hermes himself, the guide to the Above and Below. '
Reynardine could have a connexion with Hermes...since he's of the mercury symbol. And since Hermes is mythological...particularly greek mythology (he's brought it into the story before, with the cyclopse)... Maybe he never dies or something strange like that. Or he made a deal with Hermes...
I think the antimony comparison may be digging a little /too/ deep, but yeah. I like how we've compared the actual mettles as well. I was thinking about Antimony and what Mort said...about how she's attractive... is the /metal/ attractive to other things in particular?
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Post by aoeniac on Jan 27, 2007 22:38:30 GMT
Antimony isn't a metal, but if you add it to metals it makes a lot of useful alloys. So you could say she "bonds well".
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Post by mrw on Jan 27, 2007 22:52:52 GMT
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Post by fjodor on Jan 27, 2007 23:06:51 GMT
Antimony... er... well it's a metalloid. It resembles metals in its physical appearance but does not behave like a metal in chemical reactions. Okay, so knowing this, what about a theory that I haven't come across yet: We have assumed that Antimony is 100% human. But what if she is not? It would explain why she can see spirits. And the fact that she can see Muut, might mean that she is some solid manifestation from the spirit world. Maybe she died in the ospital herself and she may not realise it (a bit like Bruce Willis in that dreadful movie of which I have forgotten the title). I know I am speculating wildly here, but hey, in this comic anything goes, right? |
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Post by La Poire on Jan 27, 2007 23:12:45 GMT
I didn't even know he had a deviantart! And now it turns out he does, with awesome, never-before-seen (by me, that is) art! Must atone for my sins by... well. I'm sure I'll figure something out.
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Post by katiekatt on Jan 27, 2007 23:15:12 GMT
I would like to present a different theory about why Zimmy was so anxious for it to rain. When thunderstorms are froming, there is a buildup of negatively charged ions in the air. This gives many people headaches, perhaps it also 'enhances' her reality altering.
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Post by La Poire on Jan 27, 2007 23:25:13 GMT
Maybe Zimmy just likes the rain? Am I the only one who runs outside laughing like a maniac when it starts to pour?
I guess I did live in a desert for two years recently.
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Post by todd on Jan 28, 2007 0:21:07 GMT
Okay, so knowing this, what about a theory that I haven't come across yet: We have assumed that Antimony is 100% human. But what if she is not? It would explain why she can see spirits. And the fact that she can see Muut, might mean that she is some solid manifestation from the spirit world. Maybe she died in the ospital herself and she may not realise it (a bit like Bruce Willis in that dreadful movie of which I have forgotten the title). I know I am speculating wildly here, but hey, in this comic anything goes, right? I doubt that that's the case, but it could make for an interesting and bittersweet end to the webcomic - Annie realizing that she's dead and ascending to the Hereafter, with Kat tearfully bidding her farewell. |
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Post by my2k on Jan 28, 2007 0:53:51 GMT
like the theory that the storm will 'wash her clean' of the static. I like this theory. I wonder if she will appear visually different afterwards? |
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Post by La Poire on Jan 28, 2007 1:25:43 GMT
like the theory that the storm will 'wash her clean' of the static. I like this theory. I wonder if she will appear visually different afterwards? Maybe we'll be able to see her eyes. Or maybe she turns out to be blond. HAHAHAHAHahahahaohmygodouchhihihahahahablondZimmyheheheeeeeeheh. Heh. |
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Post by Aspen d'Grey on Jan 28, 2007 1:29:57 GMT
That's what I expect. At the very least, she should be less 'grungy'... Her eyes might not change all that much, they might become just black orbs as opposed to all scribbly... But yeah, she'll be washed clean, at least for a time.
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Post by rastarogue on Jan 28, 2007 1:39:11 GMT
I can't think of anything that has not been said already so I will just state that I think the rain is helpful in some way, not hurtful.
Can't wait till monday!
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Post by mrw on Jan 28, 2007 1:46:58 GMT
Have you seen Tom's deviantart post of Zimmy and Gamma from a few years ago? (I included a link to it a few posts back)
I mention it because in the text that surrounds Gamma is the sentence fragment:
"it looks like her eyes fell out a long time ago"
There's some very, very interesting text there, if you can read it. She is clearly recalling her first meeting with Zimmy. It's sad and touching.
Zimmy and Gamma have been in Tom's head for a long time, it seems.
I like them even more now.
Tom, you're a genius. I wish I could pull my demons out of my head and put them on paper like that, but I can't. (or I'd be posting fan art for sure). Treasure your talent.
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Post by brice on Jan 28, 2007 3:43:20 GMT
Have you seen Tom's deviantart post of Zimmy and Gamma from a few years ago? (I included a link to it a few posts back) I mention it because in the text that surrounds Gamma is the sentence fragment: "it looks like her eyes fell out a long time ago"... I don't think Gamma is the same Gamma anymore. In the text around her head she swears a lot, and calls Zimmy a stupid girl, a psycho, something from an asylum. The old Gamma isn't kind. She doesn't like Zimmy. She is nothing like the motherly big sister who tenderly supports Zimmy before the storm. Either Gamma's grown a lot in the past few years... or Tom has, or both. Zimmy may be closer to her original self, but I think Tom's proabably found more compassion for her over the years. I doubt the DA text really applies anymore. |
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Post by mrw on Jan 28, 2007 3:57:10 GMT
huh...
I interpreted that as her repeating what Zimmy had said about herself, as though she was replaying the occasion in her mind. Especially in the context of the excerpted text that Tom showed below the image.
But I was having a really hard time trying to read the text - maybe I'm just seeing what I want to see.
I agree with your last paragraph though ... things have likely changed, seemingly for the better. I really like the "new" Gamma.
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Post by rastarogue on Jan 28, 2007 3:59:31 GMT
quote author=fjodor board=general thread=1169799879 post=1169939211]
Okay, so knowing this, what about a theory that I haven't come across yet: We have assumed that Antimony is 100% human. But what if she is not? It would explain why she can see spirits. And the fact that she can see Muut, might mean that she is some solid manifestation from the spirit world. Maybe she died in the ospital herself and she may not realise it (a bit like Bruce Willis in that dreadful movie of which I have forgotten the title). I know I am speculating wildly here, but hey, in this comic anything goes, right?[/quote]
If you start thinking that she is not all human, remeber reynardine's seeming attachment to Surma, amd almost everything else he says in 45.
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Post by brice on Jan 28, 2007 4:08:09 GMT
I could be wrong. I just now remembered that Annie caught Gamma calling Zimmy stupid ("Glupie"). In any case the old DA sketch seems much harsher than the curent characters. It probably was a good thing Tom's first GC comic got deleted (like he said in his DA journal). It's given the characters time to mature.
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Post by mrw on Jan 28, 2007 4:17:27 GMT
I haven't read the DA journal (I only found his DA page today) so I wasn't aware of that.
I am curious about Gamma's "Glupie" comment. The timing was odd, as if she thought the stupid thing was to reveal who they were. The bit in the middle of this chapter where the MiB say Gamma will be safe at Gunnerkrigg Court made me all the more suspicious as to how exactly that "stupid..." comment was intended.
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Post by Mighty King Akro on Jan 28, 2007 4:42:00 GMT
I have to disagree with the theory on Gamma having been a different person based on the creatively-linked "but don't tell her I said that" page and how it relates to the rest of the text. It would seem to me that her first instinct on seeing a girl who is so depressed and bordering on insanity that she impulsively grabbed her in a hug and started crying too. Most people when they see someone in the throes of that much pain don't immediately rush to comfort them.
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Post by missushow on Jan 28, 2007 4:59:51 GMT
I hadn't thought of it that way. I thought she was calling her stupid because...well she was mad that Zimmy was bragging.
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I think Gamma may have known Zimmy before, and then Zimmy left because of some monster and then Gamma ran after her and Zimmy was so scared and thought Gamma was going to kill her, but it all went away when Gamma touched her, and Gamma has all of this relief but she doesn't want Zimmy to know...
Also, I kind of agree with mightykingakro.
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