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Post by quinkgirl on Oct 3, 2013 22:37:15 GMT
I'll add their presence in the ether, as Annie found out when ether-"spying" on Reynardine and ether-seeing Ysengrin (and Coyote) in the Forest. But yeah, look up the original stories about Renard and Ysengrin. They're mighty lords, but animal-fable (or fairytale) level, not divine. Not like Coyote, who put the stars in the sky. Ol' Rey and Ysen have origin stories?! I'm looking them up right now! ...or asap, anyway.  |
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 4, 2013 0:19:59 GMT
They're portrayed very differently in the fables than here: Renard is certainly not heroic there, but merely better than Ysengrin, the wolf.
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Post by xylemphloem on Oct 4, 2013 0:58:40 GMT
Seeing Flaming Annie in all her glory here makes me realize that Rey taking a match to Hetty was as much a tribute to Annie as what he said about her. Well played as always, Tom.
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Post by mudmaniac on Oct 4, 2013 1:43:51 GMT
I don't want to set the world on fire..... I just want to start......a flame in your heart..... "She's got both feet on the ground, and she's burnin' it down... this girl is on fire..." ...LAUGHING ON LINE I kinda hoped there would be more "fire" songs, but sadly no.  |
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Post by sidhekin on Oct 4, 2013 5:33:16 GMT
They're portrayed very differently in the fables than here: Renard is certainly not heroic there, but merely better than Ysengrin, the wolf. You're not suggesting that Renard is heroic here, are you? ;-) |
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 4, 2013 7:05:17 GMT
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Post by sidhekin on Oct 4, 2013 7:41:03 GMT
I was not here when that page was posted, but I always wondered what good it would do, interposing a stuffed animal between a gigantic wooden spear and its intended target.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Oct 4, 2013 9:45:59 GMT
I was not here when that page was posted, but I always wondered what good it would do, interposing a stuffed animal between a gigantic wooden spear and its intended target. I suspect Rey was just operating on gut instinct rather than logic. But, if he was thinking it through, perhaps his logic was something along the lines of, "Coyote wants me back in Gillitie, so he won't let Ysengrin kill me here." |
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Post by warrl on Oct 4, 2013 19:23:54 GMT
Also, Reynard is an archetype, so rather harder to kill than he looks. He is in fact about as powerful as Ysengrim - maybe signifigantly more powerful, considering their relative effects on the French language.
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 4, 2013 20:27:38 GMT
I was not here when that page was posted, but I always wondered what good it would do, interposing a stuffed animal between a gigantic wooden spear and its intended target. I suspect Rey was just operating on gut instinct rather than logic. But, if he was thinking it through, perhaps his logic was something along the lines of, "Coyote wants me back in Gillitie, so he won't let Ysengrin kill me here." That, and the fact that he knocked her out of the way first (as you can see her on the ground in the next page). She would have been saved for at least a little longer, while other people tried to solve the issue elsewise. Whether he would have died, though, would be trickier. Tom has said that if his body is destroyed, he will die. But he has also said that if Rey gets torn they can sow him back together again. Would Ysengrin have been able to kill him, or could the damage have been fixed. Either way, I see that as one of the most heartwarming scenes in the comic. |
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Post by Mezzaphor on Oct 5, 2013 10:25:17 GMT
Either way, I see that as one of the most heartwarming scenes in the comic. I started reading the comic partway through chapter 7. I was extremely suspicious of Reynardine after his reappearance in Surma's doll: his attempted possession of Annie was fresh in my mind, and none of his behavior since then convinced me that he wouldn't try to kill Annie again if given the chance. (Come to think of it, I don't recall any of the readers back then interpreting the scene from chapter 3 as anything other than attempted possession.) Then chapter 14 happened, and Rey tried to take a spear to the torso to protect Annie. That was the first moment that made me entertain the possibility that the body-snatching fox wasn't so bad after all. |
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Post by quinkgirl on Oct 5, 2013 23:29:52 GMT
They're portrayed very differently in the fables than here: Renard is certainly not heroic there, but merely better than Ysengrin, the wolf. Yes. Of course. Because Reynard's body is orange it means he's a fox. I totally knew that... God, I feel so stupid now. Reynard just never sounded like the fox type to me. And maybe being in a wolf doll's body didn't help. |
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