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Post by zimmyzims on Sept 18, 2013 10:45:36 GMT
that LIAR ribbon is just some sort of subconscious reaction (defensive mechanism?) Annie is having or had developed after spending time with Coyote after entering the ether for some short instance. Been considering this option myself, too. That it would not be Coyote intervening. Still, I think that the most likely true reading of the ribbon is that Coyote is involved. |
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Post by 0o0f on Sept 18, 2013 11:15:56 GMT
Oh, and anyone notice that Annie's hair and scar returned to normal in the last panel? Yeah. I'm assuming that's a good thing. |
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Post by Xan on Sept 18, 2013 11:44:03 GMT
But I think she failed a test needing Coyotes help to see the thing for what it is. Not necessarily, it started acting suspicious around the same moment as Coyote's "LIAR" appeared. It's not possible to say whether Annie needed that tip. If she agreed and THEN Coyote intervened, it would've been another matter. But as it stands she didn't even consider that. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Sept 18, 2013 11:44:32 GMT
Well this is almost certainly a hymenopteran, and seeing as it's clearly not a sawfly, a bee or an ant (not even a flying ant), then it's a wasp (possibly a hornet, but hornets are just big wasps). Also that wasp is a lying liar who lies. Well, it is pretty 100% certainly a hymenopteran, but seen that there are quite many hymenopteran species that do not fall under any of the families you mentioned, you have not yet counted out all possibilities bar wasp. However, having looked for different types of wasps, I am pretty sure it is a wasp. What keeps on bugging me, is that couple of string-thin extra projections that I, at least, do not associate to wasps, but that would be more at home in a parasitic. I know there are parasitica that are not dissimilar to this, at least, some of them carrying a nick name that has "wasp" in it. |
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Post by Nepycros on Sept 18, 2013 12:07:58 GMT
This Coyote ribbon might be a proxy set up by Coyote to keep her safe, though I can't imagine why he'd go to such lengths. When he zapped Annie's spirit scar, I wondered if there might be lingering effects.
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Post by smjjames on Sept 18, 2013 12:32:52 GMT
Annie should punch it in the head or something, now is NOT the time to be scared.
Also, can't we all agree that it's a hymenopteran? Maybe it's not meant to be any specific species and is just a generalized wasp.
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Post by phyzome on Sept 18, 2013 12:35:16 GMT
Oh, and anyone notice that Annie's hair and scar returned to normal in the last panel? Yeah. I'm assuming that's a good thing. And she no longer looks sick/confused. |
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Post by goldenknots on Sept 18, 2013 12:37:42 GMT
So the rest of the comic we see Annie being eaten alive by the wasps offspring; somehow I don't think so. But I think she failed a test needing Coyotes help to see the thing for what it is. Well, her mother was "eaten alive" over a period of time, come to think of it. That parallel just occurred to me. |
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Post by wanderer on Sept 18, 2013 13:06:18 GMT
BURN IT.
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Post by ctso74 on Sept 18, 2013 13:24:14 GMT
If it is an older entity, its relationship with Coyote could be adversarial. And if the "Liar.." is from Coyote, it may have more to do with covering up the half-truths the hornet was using, rather than protecting Annie.
So, what does it feel like to have etheric eggs laid into your soul?
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Post by Stately Buff Cookie on Sept 18, 2013 13:40:26 GMT
Yeah, if this were Coyote, a little more 'him' would have poked through by now. Particularly when he's called out.
Though I wonder if calling out in such a manner can force etheric beings to reveal their nature? Just a random thought.
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Post by exdevlin on Sept 18, 2013 13:55:51 GMT
I am just gonna leave one of these here. And go hide somewhere in terror. The last panel is straight out of one of my nightmares... Also, Hello everybody, I just discovered Gunnerkrigg Court on Monday and spent the whole day reading it, now I am addicted. KILL IT KILL IT WITH FIRE AUGH. Welcome to the inner circle.  |
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Post by dliessmgg on Sept 18, 2013 14:01:05 GMT
That Coyote-band appearing when Annie enters the ether and disappearing when she leaves it kind of makes me think that Coyote has a kind of etherical surveillance put over the forest. This is kind of reinforced by this page. |
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Post by strainofthought on Sept 18, 2013 14:11:57 GMT
It may be worth noting that many species of hymenopterans, and certainly all the most famous ones, build large complicated structures- and many of them base their structures on simple repeating patterns, like a crystal. If the seed bismuth *is* a wasp, it could be a *paper wasp*- and the court could be its massive nest.
Do a google image search for "wasp's nest".
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Post by Nepycros on Sept 18, 2013 14:25:05 GMT
So long as the etheric tests are administered on the waters in the court, the Annan Waters are impassable for the forest creatures, bridge aside. The wasp likely has something it wants to do in the court, though I can't imagine what...
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Post by legion on Sept 18, 2013 14:31:29 GMT
Well this is almost certainly a hymenopteran, and seeing as it's clearly not a sawfly, a bee or an ant (not even a flying ant), then it's a wasp (possibly a hornet, but hornets are just big wasps). Also that wasp is a lying liar who lies. Well, it is pretty 100% certainly a hymenopteran, but seen that there are quite many hymenopteran species that do not fall under any of the families you mentioned, you have not yet counted out all possibilities bar wasp. Hm, actually I have a certain degree of certitude that all hymenopterans *do* fall within those four "groups"; if you can call them this way; there are two suborders, one for sawflies, one for everything else, and within this latter suborder, bees and ants are just a few families within the superfamilies apoida and vespoida, respectively, with more families both inside and outside these two superfamilies that consist of wasps, wasps, wasps everywhere aaah--- sorry, about that; there are few individual things that are called neither "wasp", "ant", "bees" or "sawfly", such as the fairyflies, but they nonetheless belong to the same groups, and in fact fairyflies are often just called fairy wasps, and are considered a kind of chalcid wasp. |
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Post by nero on Sept 18, 2013 14:54:58 GMT
I had a dream of bees and other creatures on Mon night. Surely Ysengrin and Coyote will appear soon to help. I'll feel better when we get into the next hopefully bug-free chapter.
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Post by Señor Goose on Sept 18, 2013 15:04:31 GMT
Did you know that ants descended from wasps? I thought it was crazy that tiny, mostly harmless ants evolved from the most wretched, horrible, evil repugnant insects on this world.
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Post by stephen on Sept 18, 2013 15:39:33 GMT
I still think it's Coyote, but only because I'm a stubborn ol' coot. Actually, it'd be really interesting if this WAS Coyote. And Annie's about to confront him with the whole issue of: "is there a magical limitation on what kinds of deception Coyote can employ? Is it reasonable to refer to that limitation with the words 'cannot lie'?" It seems like something that would happen, GC addressing some random argument we're having on the very next week. |
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Post by quoodle on Sept 18, 2013 16:34:24 GMT
KILL IT KILL IT WITH FIRE AUGH. Yes, I was just thinking that is probably Annie's most effective weapon in the Ether. Though a punch or kick would be nice to start with. |
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Post by legion on Sept 18, 2013 17:26:14 GMT
Did you know that ants descended from wasps? I thought it was crazy that tiny, mostly harmless ants evolved from the most wretched, horrible, evil repugnant insects on this world. Harmless? Ants? |
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Post by Covalent on Sept 18, 2013 17:30:58 GMT
Well, I was not expecting that. Frickin' wasps, man. Let's hope it doesn't sting her.
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Post by GK Sierra on Sept 18, 2013 17:40:09 GMT
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Post by legion on Sept 18, 2013 18:17:11 GMT
I take umbrage even at "mostly"! I mean there's a reason this exists! |
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Post by Señor Goose on Sept 18, 2013 18:32:07 GMT
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Post by Nnelg on Sept 18, 2013 18:33:28 GMT
Well, I for one find that stripe to be very, very ominous... As a side note, when I first viewed this comic a glitch rendered the bottom half of the page as this blocky magenta mess. I took me a while to figure out what was with the sudden shift of art style.  |
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Post by elemenofy on Sept 18, 2013 18:46:49 GMT
But I think she failed a test needing Coyotes help to see the thing for what it is. Not necessarily, it started acting suspicious around the same moment as Coyote's "LIAR" appeared. It's not possible to say whether Annie needed that tip. If she agreed and THEN Coyote intervened, it would've been another matter. But as it stands she didn't even consider that. Speaking of when Coyote appeared... Reading backwards, his appearance happens immediately after Annie names him and she and the SB/wasp start telling Coyote's story. Cue coyote, enter stage right... where's the rest of him? It appears he tails off.. onto the next few pages! Not sure how much storytelling we can read into this, but I'm excited for how this will read when laid out in the next book. I suppose it depends upon whether the pages face each other when bound or whether there's a page turn (and not sure if Tom's power of number crunching is as fierce as Dante's, but if so.. I'd like to assume he planned it whichever way it does lay out). Another instance of The Great Secret1) tell a story about coyote 2) coyote appears I admit the order of that logic is still highly debated, but in terms of the form of the comic following in part along it's own logic rules, I have to say I LIKE IT. Based on the above, I'm in the "not part of training / not a set up by Coyote" camp. It reads more to me like Coyote was "summoned" here by his own name / story, or at least it caught his attention. Nothing seems to tickle him more than somebody talking about him. Whether the theory pans out or now, I still like the visual storytelling: another example of how meticulously planned GK is, not only in terms of plot, but in terms of the way it's form / illustration expresses the events and themes. For example, reading backwards, SB's appearance (real or no) is pretty well foreshadowed in the opening of this chapter: Title Page features weeds growing out of cracks where their seeds have been carried
Last panel: Annie (wearing shoes: compare OTHER time w/ Great Secret revelation) enters forest, hitting a puffball of dandelion (weed) seedscompare that last panel to the opening of the Stone (immediately post-Great Secret) Annie leaving forest, enter court.. bare feet blowing in leaves from the forest
Given the fact that these opening seeds are all weeds, this supports the theories wasp really is not the true Seed Bismuth... it's a false seed, attempting to take root where it's not welcome (Annie's brainZ), in just the same way a weed would do. Sure, these things are only something we notice in hind-sight, but it's clear Tom has this whole thing really tightly planned in terms of how he's planting (harhar) these visual tropes.
Just look at Quicksilver's absolute obsession with eyes!
Can't wait to see how the rest of this chapter plays out! I think it could help us understand the varied roles of invertebrates in the comic (from Bud and Lindsay on one extreme end to Hetty, Zimmy's Whitelegs and this waspy/SB on the other).
...long time reader, first post... couldn't resist praising Tom's awesome visual storytelling |
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Post by feraldog on Sept 18, 2013 19:15:06 GMT
Sadly, that, too, is very, very possible. So the rest of the comic we see Annie being eaten alive by the wasps offspring; somehow I don't think so. But I think she failed a test needing Coyotes help to see the thing for what it is. My wasp is a paper wasp- they eat caterpillars (technically, chew them into pulp to feed their squishy brood, but you get the idea). Either way, Seed Bismuth Wasp is most likely a malicious figure. |
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Post by Eisenblume on Sept 18, 2013 19:32:07 GMT
Oh, hello my old phobia. How nice of you to come here.
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Post by keef on Sept 18, 2013 20:35:12 GMT
My wasp is a paper wasp- they eat caterpillars (technically, chew them into pulp to feed their squishy brood, but you get the idea). Either way, Seed Bismuth Wasp is most likely a malicious figure. You're right. She needs a swatter now. And fast. |
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