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[undyingshadow]

An interesting note. On www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=55

Eg says:
"We kept him here while we tried to find a way to remove Reynardine without killing him."

Is it possible that Eg is talking about trying to avoid killing Reynardine? Seems like if Rey hadn't jumped to the doll, he would have just dissipated. Maybe Eg was trying to save both of them.

[The Anarch]

Aug 5, 2013 15:48:40 GMT GK Sierra said:

Renard and Eggy are going to go for some Scotch and have a deep bro talk about life and such.

"Dude."

"Dude."

"Thanks, man, talking about it really helped."

"Anytime, bromeister."

[TBeholder]

Aug 5, 2013 7:12:28 GMT snipertom said:

I'm surprised that they're friends. I thought they hated each other.

I didn't see them hating each other. Nor being friends, for that matter.
Hostility, yes, but also respect.
Now both their little squabbles became obsolete and left in past, so they may meet and talk just like this, why not? If only because there's not a lot of other folk they know this well and have something to discuss. Like how bad Anthony was.
And who knows what happened on the Court side while Annie was in the forest.

[Deleted]

Aug 5, 2013 16:29:04 GMT undyingshadow said:

An interesting note. On www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=55

Eg says:
"We kept him here while we tried to find a way to remove Reynardine without killing him."

Is it possible that Eg is talking about trying to avoid killing Reynardine? Seems like if Rey hadn't jumped to the doll, he would have just dissipated. Maybe Eg was trying to save both of them.

No, I don't think so. »Him« clearly refers to Sivo in that sentence, not Reynardine; and Eglamore describes him as an untrustworthy body-stealing demon on the same page, even though he must have known better. Renard, meanwhile, calls Eglamore his »jailor«, with a clear hint at his bitterness, on page 45. I'd wager that they weren't the best of friends at that point; but I also figure that had Renard been indifferent to their old friendship, he wouldn't have said anything at all.

Their friendship must have began much earlier, soured when Eglamore learned about Renard's love for Surma, and pretty much fallen apart when Rey killed Daniel and Sivo. If they're reconciling now, it's likely because they both feel indebted to Antimony and her mother, and share their resent for her father. But before Chapter 3, Reynardine didn't even know that Antimony had been born, and there was nothing they could have bonded over.

Not to mention, the first thing that Eglamore does when he sees Reynardine in Chapter 7 is to draw his knife, a gift from Surma.

[esuna]

hullo all! I've lurked hard core and long time, and I've decided to come from the shadows to put in my two cents.

This page is amazing in what it conveys with so little said.

So, we know that Jimmy Jims was recruited for Rograt Orjak stuff during his school. We also know that Surma was Close to Rey. We know that Rey quote Coyote "loooves humans". Not just Surma, humans, all of them. And lastly we know that Eglamore is fully capable of forming close relationships with non humans, see Joans, see Sivo. 

So what I'm trying to pull from all of this is. Eglamore and Rey were TOTALLY bros for a long time before things hit the fan. This isn't unlike what has been already said on this thread. I'm just taking it a bit further in submitting that perhaps Eglamore met Rey while training to become Rograt Orjak. Maybe he even introduced Surma and Rey. Because she didn't seem to familiar with forest lore in the flash back, maybe she wasn't the court medium at that time. MAYBE Daniel was the medium and Surma replaced him because what was he doing in the forest anyway? At the very least I would think he was a candidate. 

So when Rey took Daniel's body and in turn Sivo's. Eglamore was betrayed by a close friend. His extreme prejudice in the early chapters was motivated by the sting of this, clearly not just hatred for a demon. And we still don't obviously have the whole story. I somehow doubt that Rey taking Daniel's body was purely motivated by his love for Surma. 


So how I'm reading this page is, as others have said, they have been reconciling in the background the entire story. Rey stopped by Eglamore's so they could visit Daniel's grave together. Eglamore not being there triggered the events with Hetty, interesting to note things probably wouldn't have happened as they did if Eglamore were home. 

Lastly, I'm having a hard time letting go of the theory that Hetty was Coyote testing Rey. Based solely on stylistic similarities of her shoos and his legs also her color scheme is blue with red highlights as is Coyote's. I admit its week at best, and probably wrong. But part of me agrees with those who feel taken aback by a character who was created just for Rey to kill. This theory gives her a bit more depth 

[esuna]

Aug 5, 2013 17:50:49 GMT @korba said:

Their friendship must have began much earlier, soured when Eglamore learned about Renard's love for Surma, and pretty much fallen apart when Rey killed Daniel and Sivo. If they're reconciling now, it's likely because they both feel indebted to Antimony and her mother, and share their resent for her father. But before Chapter 3, Reynardine didn't even know that Antimony had been born, and there was nothing they could have bonded over.

Not to mention, the first thing that Eglamore does when he sees Reynardine in Chapter 7 is to draw his knife, a gift from Surma.

Hah I was typing as you posted this. I obviously agree with this. 

Also good point with the jealousy aspect. 

[avurai]

I'm starting to wonder if people in the Court were able to roam around much more freely before the incident with Renard taking Daniel's body, and that it sparked the (re?)enactment of far stricter guidelines with regards to visiting the forest. It sheds a brighter light on Eglamore's anger at discovering Antimony was out on the bridge. He was worried that her life would be put in mortal danger in the same way he feared Surma's was (which explains him calling out her name when Antimony fell off), and his tension with Renard was especially strong for that same reason.

I do get that feeling that they used to be close friends and that it all went sour. Their interactions in Reynardine's introductory chapter do have a distinct new 'old-friends bickering' feel to them. With Renard starting to grow and show genuine empathy and remorse, it makes sense that they're stitching up old wounds.

[cannister]

Aug 5, 2013 14:12:36 GMT imaginaryfriend said:

Aug 5, 2013 14:09:58 GMT scaramousche said:

Whose hat is that on the coat hanger next to the door frame? It doesn't look like a man's hat, more like a woman's. Is there someone else visiting Eggers — or does he have a housemate?

I expect it's Jones' hat.

Nah, Jones' hat is pointed and has red and white stripes.

[Corvo]

Maybe Rey is there to talk with Jones, not with that weird dude I totally don't recognize.

[GK Sierra]

Aug 5, 2013 16:30:45 GMT The Anarch said:

Aug 5, 2013 15:48:40 GMT GK Sierra said:

Renard and Eggy are going to go for some Scotch and have a deep bro talk about life and such.

"Dude."

"Dude."

"Thanks, man, talking about it really helped."

"Anytime, bromeister."

Sure thing brother-dog. Broseph. Brohammed.

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BROMOSAPIEN

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What avurai said is spot-on, I think. Whatever kind of survey Daniel was conducting that night he was killed, it can't have been anything out of the ordinary. He must have assumed that Renard was familiar with it.

What's more, Dan seemed very much at ease just kind of strolling through the forest. Perhaps at that time, the Court had been sending several researchers to study the behaviour of the animals of the Forest. If so, their careless attitude could have infuriated a certain wolf-tree guy (not Eglamore), who saw fit to ban all humans from Gillitie Wood in retaliation. Coyote, of course, may have encouraged him, since he loves to provide motivation. That's what he does!

[Jay]

Something I saw going through the chapter again.
When Renard is at the door for the first time, there are already scratches where he is pawing at it. Seems like even more evidence to me that they'd been chatting like this for a while now. But this page really has a nice, slow feel to it too. This webcomic always surprises me in the best ways.

[exdevlin]

I wonder how long these two had been getting on? Have they been visiting Daniel's grave together on the anniversary of his death, and Eggers missed it this year because of teaching duties? Or do they see each other more often than that? Seems like others in the thread agree that they've been meeting up somewhat regularly in the past (previous scratches on the doors, pretty familiar dialogue). So Eggers went from "jailor" to companion for Rey, which leads me to wonder if they ever just sat and had chats while he was locked up in Sivo's body.

"Dude bro, I didn't really wanna be here. I kinda wish I could take it all back, bruh."
"Man, the feels."

PS. next page is totes gonna be about Adam visiting his sister's grave.

[tustin2121]

Aug 5, 2013 9:31:51 GMT @korba said:

Eglamore is apparently »an old friend from a long time ago« to Renard. They must have known each other back when Daniel was still alive, which means that their friendship broke apart when Rey took Dan's body — and that Eglamore knew about Renard's true nature back in Chapter 3, but didn't tell Antimony.

I would think, more so than just Daniel, that Elgamore would hate Renard because Renard killed Sivo (his dragon creature these court guardians have) in his attempt to escape capture...

Edit: I knew someone would have mentioned it by now. This is why I don't comment much: because everyone else is up earlier and a lot smarter at that hour than I. :/

[Sivo]

Excuse me while I roll in my grave some.



j/k

[Shire]

Aug 5, 2013 18:03:29 GMT esuna said:

So what I'm trying to pull from all of this is. Eglamore and Rey were TOTALLY bros for a long time before things hit the fan. This isn't unlike what has been already said on this thread. I'm just taking it a bit further in submitting that perhaps Eglamore met Rey while training to become Rograt Orjak. Maybe he even introduced Surma and Rey. Because she didn't seem to familiar with forest lore in the flash back, maybe she wasn't the court medium at that time. MAYBE Daniel was the medium and Surma replaced him because what was he doing in the forest anyway? At the very least I would think he was a candidate.

I imagine Surma was already medium, just because I don't think she would've stuck around long after the Reynardine fiasco. Although we don't yet know why she left, leading one of her friends to murder one of her other friends at the behest of the Court seems like the best candidate. It would also explain why she chose Anthony over Eglamore, who was strongly aligned with the Court.