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Post by crater on Jul 24, 2013 13:21:10 GMT
aw man, Renard talking this way is kinda scary, at first I thought he was just talking up Hetty or something but now...
it seems like Rey has all these darker reasons to hang around the court... I always thought "he was in love" with Antimony, he probably is?
maybe he's been looking for bodies to steal all along, sizing elg's replacements,
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Post by melkior on Jul 24, 2013 13:31:38 GMT
Well he'd have to be able to leave Annie's wolf toy first... Reynardine can't take a new body without Annie's permission. And it'd be dangerous for her to grant that permission, since her control over him is based on the fact that she owns the toy he's possessing. Now, Renard may have come to regret trying to kill/possess Annie, but that doesn't mean the Court would stand for him changing bodies, and they'd also take action against Annie for allowing it. (In this case, with him taking over Hetty's body, Rey would at least still be under some control - but he'd now be bound to Adam, who is almost certainly not as capable as Annie of handling such a responsibility.) This is correct. Annie gave Reynard permission to return to the forest, but that's not the same as permission to possess a new body not his own. It's possible that Annie's permission has to be interpreted according to her intentions, e.g. "you may return to the forest and to your own body on the condition that you then immediately return back to him Coyote's ability to possess bodies." More on the subject, I have a feeling that Hetty's interpretation of "shame" does not correspond with Rey's. I also believe that my previous prediction of Rey refusing to cooperate with Hetty is about to come true. |
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Post by csj on Jul 24, 2013 13:55:45 GMT
I predict a killing spree invloving one victim only. But ultimately none will die, because Annie can't die, she's the main character. |
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Post by exdevlin on Jul 24, 2013 14:10:27 GMT
Rey had better be about to tell Hetty to get stuffed. Gah, the puns. And now this page has me wondering if the whole "I intended to kill her, but Eglamore stopped me" story is just what he's telling to Hetty, so she doesn't flip out and do something rash. That's what I thought, and I'm sticking to it until this run-in with her concludes. I'm fairly sure he's about to drop her like a sack of rocks anyway. Somebody please draw Renard and Hetty's babies. Before I do. Oh gosh, do you think he means it? Like he actually wishes he had killed Annie - and maybe he still wants to kill her. That would cast their relationship in a whole different light. As Toloc said, I think Renard is ashamed of himself. He is ashamed that Eglamore had to intervene. He is ashamed that he went so far as to try to take Antimony's body, and kill her. He is ashamed that he didn't stop himself sooner. Retty babies, eh? *idea bulb* Also, that's what I got from his last line as well, so +1. On the idea of Renard taking Hetty's body, that would certainly prove an interesting.. shift. Would Renard still be able to morph his form? Perhaps make the doll look more wolfish? Perhaps turn her into a bombshell? The gender crossover hijinks of having a male character in a feminine body would be hilariously bishounen-esque. I'm really loving how Tom is taking this opportunity to redraw key iconic frames from Chapter 3. They don't look so different that it's jarring, but it's obviously more refined. I think it helps that Tom chose a good colour scheme and really stuck with it throughout the entire thing. |
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Post by exuberancium on Jul 24, 2013 15:52:16 GMT
I will be disappointed if the next comic isn't Renard pouncing Hetty all Calvin & Hobbes style.
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Post by Corvo on Jul 24, 2013 16:42:58 GMT
Well, things really got out of proportion, right Rey?  |
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Post by GK Sierra on Jul 24, 2013 16:56:00 GMT
Puntacular! Puntrocity! PUNNING RIOT! |
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Post by Per on Jul 24, 2013 17:05:22 GMT
That is not a good place to store pins, Reynardine!
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Post by ctso74 on Jul 24, 2013 20:01:32 GMT
What if leaving an inanimate object destroyed it? Well the bodies he leaves behind aren't destroyed. I'd assume that it's just whatever soul happens to be squatting in that body gets pushed out when Renard enters. No soul, nothing hurt. That's what I've been thinking, but there are some problems; from Annie having only given permission to return to the forest, to possibly being trapped in Hetty until Adam gives permission to leave. However, Hetty has rather explicitly told her intention to kill Adam. Has Annie ever given Rey the impression, that he should protect the lives of others? Could he convince Adam to help him, after the fact? I'm still real curious regarding how Hetty got into her situation. I hope she sticks around a little longer. Plus, she's fun in small bits... No pun intended. |
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Post by keef on Jul 24, 2013 21:05:11 GMT
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Post by kralex on Jul 24, 2013 21:06:33 GMT
What if leaving an inanimate object destroyed it? Well the bodies he leaves behind aren't destroyed. I'd assume that it's just whatever soul happens to be squatting in that body gets pushed out when Renard enters. No soul, nothing hurt. Where do those souls go, then? Will a guide accept them to take them to the ether, or are the evicted souls of Danny and Sivo stuck, like Jeanne is, and perhaps waiting for a chance to get revenge on Rey? |
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Post by GK Sierra on Jul 24, 2013 21:12:23 GMT
Hold on a second, there's a black van outside and someone is knocking. I wonder if this is that takeout I ordered. |
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Post by fronzel on Jul 24, 2013 21:34:12 GMT
Kind of expecting Renard to eat Hetty now.
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Post by todd on Jul 24, 2013 22:18:55 GMT
But ultimately none will die, because Annie can't die, she's the main character. Isn't that what they said about Janet Leigh's character in "Psycho"? |
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Post by The Anarch on Jul 24, 2013 23:02:06 GMT
But ultimately none will die, because Annie can't die, she's the main character. Isn't that what they said about Janet Leigh's character in "Psycho"? "And if you're reassuring yourself that I'm going to make it through this since I'm talking to you now . . . quit being such a smartass! Hell, dude, you never seen Sin City? Sunset Boulevard? American Beauty?" |
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Post by freeformline on Jul 25, 2013 0:04:50 GMT
I will be disappointed if the next comic isn't Renard pouncing Hetty all Calvin & Hobbes style. I wouldn't have been disappointed at all until I saw this. Thanks for (possibly) ruining Friday's update! |
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Post by CarbonRabbit on Jul 25, 2013 1:28:43 GMT
Shame he's referring to is his shame for trying to possess Annie. As he just said he had just become aware of Surma's death and had been in solitary confinement for years... I also thought he was saying it was shameful that it's always Eglamore who gets in between, like in between him and Surma (since for a while it was Eg and Surma who liked each other) and again got in between him and Annie. /shrug Just a thought though. |
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Post by willias0 on Jul 25, 2013 5:24:55 GMT
Perhaps the shame is that he learned nothing in between the time he killed Daniel and tried to possess Annie. While he was concerned he might hurt Daniel upon possessing him, he had a complete disregard for Annie's life. He knew that possessing her would kill her. He acted like a monster. Both times he was only thinking of what he could gain through the possession, not the cost. Or perhaps in Annie's case, he knew the cost, but acted anyway.
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Post by csj on Jul 25, 2013 7:31:47 GMT
So, why exactly is everyone ignoring the mysterious cinderblock falling from the sky in the second last panel?
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Post by philman on Jul 25, 2013 7:47:28 GMT
So, why exactly is everyone ignoring the mysterious cinderblock falling from the sky in the second last panel? As someone pointed out to me when I asked, the circular thing is the box of needles, the square breeze-block shaped thing is the box of pins we saw them steal a few pages ago. It has just come open so a few pins are falling out. |
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Post by Toloc on Jul 25, 2013 8:33:02 GMT
So, why exactly is everyone ignoring the mysterious cinderblock falling from the sky in the second last panel? As someone pointed out to me when I asked, the circular thing is the box of needles, the square breeze-block shaped thing is the box of pins we saw them steal a few pages ago. It has just come open so a few pins are falling out. Second to last panel, not last one. That's a dumpster, but, yeah, kinda looks like a levitating cinderblock. |
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Post by todd on Jul 25, 2013 10:57:02 GMT
Perhaps the shame is that he learned nothing in between the time he killed Daniel and tried to possess Annie. While he was concerned he might hurt Daniel upon possessing him, he had a complete disregard for Annie's life. He knew that possessing her would kill her. He acted like a monster. Both times he was only thinking of what he could gain through the possession, not the cost. Or perhaps in Annie's case, he knew the cost, but acted anyway. And to make matters worse, Annie was the daughter of the woman he'd fallen in love with - and he knew it. He was ready to possess and kill her just a few hours after mourning Surma's death. |
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Post by ReubenPatrick on Jul 25, 2013 12:49:04 GMT
... I really hope Reynard's just messing with Hetty ( or with us)
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Post by TBeholder on Jul 26, 2013 3:26:04 GMT
And now this page has me wondering if the whole "I intended to kill her, but Eglamore stopped me" story is just what he's telling to Hetty, so she doesn't flip out and do something rash. You really didn see this coming two pages away?  Didn't Annie told him he could go back to his old body anytime, and he decided not to? She informed him of the possibility, I don't think she gave him an explicit command. Command, of course not, but that may be stretched to a permission. Also, there may be fine moments in phrasing of his conditions. Such as "doll body", for example.  with him taking over Hetty's body, Rey would at least still be under some control - but he'd now be bound to Adam, who is almost certainly not as capable as Annie Who is almost certainly not going to allow him to do almost anything at all, and be willing and able to help with almost anything, up to and including return to his own body. Which why he isn't crazy enough to do it. When it finally dawned on Rey that Hetty's 'Adam Project' came under Annie's classification of 'something suspicious', you could have heard a pin drop! A shame, really! Yup. Also, vague phrasing may allow interpretation of the orders in whichever way suits him at the moment. |
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