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Post by legion on Jul 17, 2013 15:42:09 GMT
When I suggested jokingly that Hetty would try to poison Adam (with mercury, but I guess that works too), I didn't expect I would get a cookie later!
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Post by mithrandir on Jul 17, 2013 16:28:03 GMT
Y'know, aside from obviously being a misanthropic little ball of hostility, Hetty isn't all that bright, if she thinks that Reynardine is going to be completely on board with her little plans.
Let's recap what Hetty has been able to observe about Renard:
He constantly and repeatedly visits the door of a human habitation, and knocks on it, in a way indicating he's trying to get the attention of a human who might live there.
He habitually visits the gravesite of a human he killed in an attempt to get something he wanted, and exhibits remorse and regret for doing so.
He has to be reminded about the simple fact that his mistress is still giving him orders.
And when introduced to Adam, the fact that he is a mere child, and the fact that he is unaware of Hetty's existence, are questions that matter to him.
In short: Renard likes humans, and Hetty seems to have completely missed that fact.
For whatever reason, Hetty lacks empathy. She does not attempt to see the world from the perspective of other thinking beings, and it has not occurred to her to learn how, even in her own self-interest (never mind empathizing with Adam - empathizing with Renard would've allowed her to realize that she couldn't let him know the whole truth about Adam if she wanted his cooperation in her schemes against the boy).
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Post by melkior on Jul 17, 2013 16:28:04 GMT
Is anyone else wondering how the heck Hetty fits into the story?
I mean, like, what role does she play? Is she merely a distraction or is she an integral part of the story?
Is Hetty only here to provide Rey with a sounding-board so that he has to make a firm decision about where his loyalties lie, or does she have a connection to the main story?
If only Jeanne hadn't died at least (it's been implied) a generation or more ago, I'd be wondering if Adam wasn't her little brother and Jeanne, Hetty's previous owner, but the time factor would seem to make that impossible.
Tom does love his mysteries.
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Post by lordofpotatoes on Jul 17, 2013 18:52:42 GMT
If she does end up having to do something with Zimmy, then maybe she also has something to do with the toy shop Zimmy and Gamma meet up in, every time they're separated in that world of hers. Though it's a pretty far stretch, going off visuals alone, and the shop seemed to have more stuffed animals, really. Other me, this post led me to think that his sister might be Gamma or Zimmy since 'accident' doesn't have to mean death. But I'm probably wrong. |
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Post by fuzzyone on Jul 17, 2013 19:50:24 GMT
If she does end up having to do something with Zimmy, then maybe she also has something to do with the toy shop Zimmy and Gamma meet up in, every time they're separated in that world of hers. Though it's a pretty far stretch, going off visuals alone, and the shop seemed to have more stuffed animals, really. Other me, this post led me to think that his sister might be Gamma or Zimmy since 'accident' doesn't have to mean death. But I'm probably wrong. Tom's bit underneath Monday's comic specifically says that Adam's sister died. |
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Post by tpman on Jul 17, 2013 19:57:20 GMT
When I suggested jokingly that Hetty would try to poison Adam (with mercury, but I guess that works too), I didn't expect I would get a cookie later! Not a cookie I would suggest eating. |
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Post by tpman on Jul 17, 2013 20:16:50 GMT
www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1219 - Hetty implies that Adam "has trapped [her] in this cursed body". I'm thinking that Hetty wasn't trapped in a doll until her ownership changed.
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Post by ctso74 on Jul 17, 2013 22:43:29 GMT
Other me, this post led me to think that his sister might be Gamma or Zimmy since 'accident' doesn't have to mean death. But I'm probably wrong. Tom's bit underneath Monday's comic specifically says that Adam's sister died. But who's to say Zimmy's not dead? Or deadish. Hetty, being connected to Zimmy, would be interesting, but I bet their similar appearance is merely a coincidence. I've never seen anything, that looked like it was about to burst, like black champagne. Now I have. |
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Post by arf on Jul 17, 2013 23:20:24 GMT
It occurs to me that, if Hetty is a bit Zimmy-like, Rey's stuffing is going to leap out when he realises.
On that note, Annie was able to see the whiteleg on Jack when he was possessed via her blinkstone. There was no indication that Rey could (or didn't want to acknowledge it?)
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Post by prplprsn on Jul 18, 2013 0:03:01 GMT
Tom's bit underneath Monday's comic specifically says that Adam's sister died. But who's to say Zimmy's not dead? Or deadish. Hetty, being connected to Zimmy, would be interesting, but I bet their similar appearance is merely a coincidence. I've never seen anything, that looked like it was about to burst, like black champagne. Now I have. beautiful |
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Post by geminisun on Jul 18, 2013 2:57:35 GMT
Your cheesy flakes are coming loose girl, control yourself. I actually pictured a high society-esque setting where other possessed porcelain dolls tell Hetty to control herself, and that letting herself get to the point of cracking her porcelain is just plain indecent. What will the commonfolk think if they see her in this state? In other news, that therapy scene from Wreck-It Ralph just played in my head. "I am bad, and that is good..." Funny you should mention Wreck-It Ralph, because Hetty's gray, grinning face in that last panel reminds me uncannily of Turbo. |
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Post by SerenaJo on Jul 18, 2013 3:17:00 GMT
Was so excited to FINALLY see her lose it that it took me a minute to notice Rey's blurry outline behind her in the last panel.
Any idea why she says "a substance called arsenic" or "this wonderful substance!... called glass fiber"? It seems like a strange way to refer to well known things.
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Post by The Anarch on Jul 18, 2013 3:23:33 GMT
Any idea why she says "a substance called arsenic" or "this wonderful substance!... called glass fiber"? Thinly veiled references to substance abuse. Gunnerkrigg Court became an after school special so slowly, we didn't even notice it! |
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Post by GK Sierra on Jul 18, 2013 4:36:00 GMT
Any idea why she says "a substance called arsenic" or "this wonderful substance!... called glass fiber"? Thinly veiled references to substance abuse. Gunnerkrigg Court became an after school special so slowly, we didn't even notice it! Dear diary: today we skipped karmatron dynamics to huff ether from a union jack. No, not that magical stuff, diethyl ether. |
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Post by Nnelg on Jul 18, 2013 5:10:52 GMT
Dear diary: today we skipped karmatron dynamics to huff ether from a union jack. No, not that magical stuff, diethyl ether. Diethyl ether actually does have narcotic properties, though... |
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Post by GK Sierra on Jul 18, 2013 5:39:33 GMT
Dear diary: today we skipped karmatron dynamics to huff ether from a union jack. No, not that magical stuff, diethyl ether. Diethyl ether actually does have narcotic properties, though... You don't say?  |
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Post by Pig_catapult on Jul 18, 2013 7:57:18 GMT
Okay, definitely sociopathic behaviour there.
Just (possibly) realised something. Tom's comment was "Hetty, your crack is showing". That implies that this crack which is showing is specific. She's implied to be able to alter her form somewhat, but she reverts to the cracked form when she loses control of her glamour.
Hetty's broken. Her body's "base" form is a broken doll.
This may all be revenge for a time when Adam was much younger and accidentally dropped Hetty, not knowing she was alive, and her body broke. Since the mind is a plaything of the body, perhaps her mind broke, too. Perhaps Hetty wasn't always a sociopathic monster like this. Perhaps Renard knew her before her own accident, and that's why he's been going along with this up until things got serious.
Alternately, apeaking of accidents and "accidents", maybe Hetty got broken in the same incident when Adam's sister died, to go with theories about her only having gone horrible after Adam's sister's death.
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Post by Xan on Jul 18, 2013 9:24:39 GMT
Okay, definitely sociopathic behaviour there. Just (possibly) realised something. Tom's comment was "Hetty, your crack is showing". That implies that this crack which is showing is specific. She's implied to be able to alter her form somewhat, but she reverts to the cracked form when she loses control of her glamour. Hetty's broken. Her body's "base" form is a broken doll. This may all be revenge for a time when Adam was much younger and accidentally dropped Hetty, not knowing she was alive, and her body broke. Since the mind is a plaything of the body, perhaps her mind broke, too. Perhaps Hetty wasn't always a sociopathic monster like this. Perhaps Renard knew her before her own accident, and that's why he's been going along with this up until things got serious. Alternately, apeaking of accidents and "accidents", maybe Hetty got broken in the same incident when Adam's sister died, to go with theories about her only having gone horrible after Adam's sister's death. I like this idea. I think that, more importantly, the crack goes through the symbol, possibly weakening / altering its influence. |
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Post by Lightice on Jul 18, 2013 9:56:49 GMT
Any idea why she says "a substance called arsenic" or "this wonderful substance!... called glass fiber"? It seems like a strange way to refer to well known things. Personally I'd guess that being a magical creature of etherium, whether or not she was Adam's sister in past life, she has little to no experience scientific principles or chemical qualities. Her information of those wonderful substances comes from small tidbits that she's been able to eavesdrop, and as far as she ic concerned, they are mystical secrets |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 18, 2013 10:03:36 GMT
Any idea why she says "a substance called arsenic" or "this wonderful substance!... called glass fiber"? It seems like a strange way to refer to well known things. Personally I'd guess that being a magical creature of etherium, whether or not she was Adam's sister in past life, she has little to no experience scientific principles or chemical qualities. Her information of those wonderful substances comes from small tidbits that she's been able to eavesdrop, and as far as she ic concerned, they are mystical secrets Aye, and that plus her "you bug me so I'll torture you" and "you're not paying enough attention to me regardless of the fact that I'm hiding from you" and "you're hindering me so I'll kill you" attitude sets an age range for Hetty in me mind. |
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Post by TBeholder on Jul 18, 2013 16:54:30 GMT
I actually pictured a high society-esque setting where other possessed porcelain dolls tell Hetty to control herself, and that letting herself get to the point of cracking her porcelain is just plain indecent. What will the commonfolk think if they see her in this state? Why only porcelain? It takes all sorts, no? On the "bright" side, there can be a lot of uses for possessed dolls.  |
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Post by SerenaJo on Jul 18, 2013 19:22:13 GMT
Personally I'd guess that being a magical creature of etherium, whether or not she was Adam's sister in past life, she has little to no experience scientific principles or chemical qualities. Her information of those wonderful substances comes from small tidbits that she's been able to eavesdrop, and as far as she ic concerned, they are mystical secrets Ooh, yeah that would make sense. I kept wondering if she thought Renard didn't know what that stuff was and she was just being condescending. |
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Post by descoladavirus on Jul 19, 2013 0:43:39 GMT
Hetty's alchemical symbol appears to be related to phosphorus. My take on it is that Hetty is a ethereal creature that for some reason inhabited a doll owned by Adam's sister to interact with Adam's sister. Your guess is as good as mine, but notice how Hetty seems to respect Adam's sister, or at least want her brother to remember her. Not knowing the danger in her "friend" Adam's sister bequeathed it to Adam in a diary, shortly before a fatal accident(that might not have been an accident, anyone else see the "'s on that?). After said accident Hetty became enraged that she couldn't leave her form, and had to be stuck with a boy who not only didn't know she existed, but was trying to cope and move on with his sister's passing. So we have a homicidal spirit of indeterminate strength stuck in a doll, torturing and attempting to kill a student (or family of someone living at the court.) Of course Renard would get himself put in the middle of this situation. |
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Post by Señor Goose on Jul 19, 2013 4:32:19 GMT
Okay, definitely sociopathic behaviour there. Just (possibly) realised something. Tom's comment was "Hetty, your crack is showing". That implies that this crack which is showing is specific. She's implied to be able to alter her form somewhat, but she reverts to the cracked form when she loses control of her glamour. Hetty's broken. Her body's "base" form is a broken doll. This may all be revenge for a time when Adam was much younger and accidentally dropped Hetty, not knowing she was alive, and her body broke. Since the mind is a plaything of the body, perhaps her mind broke, too. Perhaps Hetty wasn't always a sociopathic monster like this. Perhaps Renard knew her before her own accident, and that's why he's been going along with this up until things got serious. Alternately, apeaking of accidents and "accidents", maybe Hetty got broken in the same incident when Adam's sister died, to go with theories about her only having gone horrible after Adam's sister's death. Interesting, though given that fact that Hetty literally wants this kid dead, I'd venture that Adam did a little more than drop her: Ever pull the heads off your sister's Barbie dolls? Imagine that the dolls were sentient. I doubt it took one specific event to make her crazy, it would probably take years of abuse to cause her to become a psychopath to this level. |
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Post by sidhekin on Jul 19, 2013 11:57:44 GMT
Tear Off Your Own Head (It's A Doll Revolution)?
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Post by TBeholder on Jul 19, 2013 16:40:05 GMT
Let's illustrate. I doubt it took one specific event to make her crazy, it would probably take years of abuse to cause her to become a psychopath to this level. Depends on where she started. The glass-eyed folk, for one, are stewing in petty jealousy at better times.
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Post by GK Sierra on Jul 19, 2013 19:06:20 GMT
Some people are just born crazy.
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