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Post by The Anarch on Jul 3, 2013 15:44:45 GMT
She didn't hear a word he's saying, did she?  Of course she does. But only the words she wants to hear. Pretty sure Tom said that the contract of ownership prevents Rey from deliberately harming Annie. |
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Post by noone3 on Jul 3, 2013 15:51:35 GMT
I wonder how often Annie unintentionally gives Rey orders To think of it, it could be quite disturbing for Rey. "Cheer up" - does he have to become happy all of the sudden? "Have fun" or "Have a nice day" - pretty the same. And I hope Annie wont go for "Don't think of pink elephants" - Rey's head might explode. |
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Post by exuberancium on Jul 3, 2013 16:44:15 GMT
I'm hoping, this has been Hetty's plan all along, and Rey is undercover for the Court, so she won't recruit another imprisoned soul. It can end in Film Noir fashion, and we'd get to see Rey in a tiny Fedora. And then she gets arrested by a swat team made up of animated little green army men.  I wonder how often Annie unintentionally gives Rey orders To think of it, it could be quite disturbing for Rey. "Cheer up" - does he have to become happy all of the sudden? "Have fun" or "Have a nice day" - pretty the same. And I hope Annie wont go for "Don't think of pink elephants" - Rey's head might explode. I don't think rhetorical commands (or whatever you call those) actually count since its more of a language construct than an actual command. It's more like a statement "(I hope that you) cheer up" than it is a command. P.S. Does anyone know how to use left and right brackets without the forum interpreting it as BBcode other than using code tags? |
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Post by The Anarch on Jul 3, 2013 16:51:03 GMT
I think the word you're looking for is "suggestion".
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Post by Per on Jul 3, 2013 17:15:12 GMT
In D&D, Suggestion is more commanding than Command.
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Post by myzelf on Jul 3, 2013 17:18:17 GMT
She's like Chucky. But genuinely creepy.
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Post by siaynoq on Jul 3, 2013 19:11:44 GMT
Yeah, now I'm thinking Hetty has to have some kind of tie to Coyote. The boots, the eye, the blue dress, not to mention the parallels between the flashback [Coyote convincing Renard to do something terrible] and the current situation. On top of that, there's the scene where Coyote recently showed Annie Renard's body waiting for him. Chekhov's Gun and all that.
What would he get out of this?
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Post by 0o0f on Jul 3, 2013 19:24:54 GMT
Yeah, I doubt Renard is going to be convinced that easily. For one thing I imagine he cares more about Annie than Hetty.
I wonder how long Annie and Rey's relationship is going to remain the way it is, though.
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Post by lordofpotatoes on Jul 3, 2013 20:13:29 GMT
In D&D, Suggestion is more commanding than Command. Is it a psychic ability? Because if so it probably references real life suggestions in psychology. |
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Post by keef on Jul 3, 2013 21:58:48 GMT
Wait, Tom wouldn't go all Hitchcock on us and kill the girl halfway through the story, right? Right?  It would be weird, Annie is the narrator, so if she gets killed this would be a story from beyond the grave. |
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Post by todd on Jul 3, 2013 22:12:58 GMT
Wait, Tom wouldn't go all Hitchcock on us and kill the girl halfway through the story, right? Right? It would be weird, Annie is the narrator, so if she gets killed this would be a story from beyond the grave. She might have only been narrating the story up to the point where she and Mr. Donlan sent those medical supplies off to Anthony. Don't forget that one chapter was narrated by Sky Watcher. (And there are plenty of scenes, including this one, where she's not present.) |
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Post by Señor Goose on Jul 4, 2013 0:03:00 GMT
Wait, Tom wouldn't go all Hitchcock on us and kill the girl halfway through the story, right? Right?  Let's not rule out the possibility. |
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Post by Señor Goose on Jul 4, 2013 0:08:17 GMT
Yeah, I doubt Renard is going to be convinced that easily. For one thing I imagine he cares more about Annie than Hetty. I wonder how long Annie and Rey's relationship is going to remain the way it is, though. I'm beginning to suspect that this chapter is where Renard is going to look really hard at his relationship with Annie, and their contract of ownership. |
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Post by 0o0f on Jul 4, 2013 0:27:22 GMT
Yeah, I doubt Renard is going to be convinced that easily. For one thing I imagine he cares more about Annie than Hetty. I wonder how long Annie and Rey's relationship is going to remain the way it is, though. I'm beginning to suspect that this chapter is where Renard is going to look really hard at his relationship with Annie, and their contract of ownership. Would make sense. As well as they get along these days, I imagine the power-imbalance is a little unsettling. Although I'm a little amused by how earlier in the chapter, Hettie talked about how easy he had it with his "mistress". Now she talks about killing her.  |
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Post by TBeholder on Jul 4, 2013 6:49:22 GMT
In D&D, Suggestion is more commanding than Command. Is it a psychic ability? Because if so it probably references real life suggestions in psychology. So... "real life", "D&D" or "psychololgy"?  It would be weird, Annie is the narrator, so if she gets killed this would be a story from beyond the grave. This in itself won't be something entirely new. Gunnerkrigg Court had, if not narration, at least exposition from some dead folk. That, and... "THE FOOLS! It only made me stronger! <FWOOM!>"  Although I'm a little amused by how earlier in the chapter, Hettie talked about how easy he had it with his "mistress". Now she talks about killing her. Mood swings and killing cravings. Now that's a fine lady. She only needs to adore someone to stammering (since a doll can't blush) to be one scary tsundere. Or... Hetty only wants her plushie friend to be really cool. The way she imagines it. |
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Post by maxptc on Jul 4, 2013 9:18:37 GMT
Meh, I get the feeling murder is Hetty's solution for everything "Murder, arson and fiberglass! That's all I ever get from you. I wish I had more people/dolls/things to ask for advice." |
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Post by Steam Engine on Jul 4, 2013 10:23:37 GMT
Poison... Needles... Sleeping Beauty style?
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Post by lordofpotatoes on Jul 4, 2013 15:06:26 GMT
"And after that, we can take a ride in the new laundry dryer! We'll make a day of it!" like if Renard and Hetty made a pact to kill each other's masters. I'm hoping, this has been Hetty's plan all along, and Rey is undercover for the Court, so she won't recruit another imprisoned soul. It can end in Film Noir fashion, and we'd get to see Rey in a tiny Fedora. I ship this. Rey x fedora. Is it a psychic ability? Because if so it probably references real life suggestions in psychology. So... "real life", "D&D" or "psychololgy"? I was proposing that the D&D terminology may be taken from the term suggestion in psychology. And psychology is real life... |
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Post by avurai on Jul 4, 2013 21:11:42 GMT
That one commenter is right. In Panel 5, she is most certainly sporting boots with the same general design and markings as Coyote's legs.
This is getting increasingly suspicious.
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Post by snipertom on Jul 4, 2013 22:12:23 GMT
That one commenter is right. In Panel 5, she is most certainly sporting boots with the same general design and markings as Coyote's legs. This is getting increasingly suspicious. Freaky. Though why would Coyote want to kill the Forest medium? I mean other than for his own lulz? To incite a war against the Court that he'd probably lose? |
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Post by Lightice on Jul 4, 2013 22:23:47 GMT
Freaky. Though why would Coyote want to kill the Forest medium? I mean other than for his own lulz? To incite a war against the Court that he'd probably lose? He wouldn't. He hasn't shown any indication that he would want to cause physical harm to Annie. If she's dead, she's just lying there, doing nothing. If she's alive, she can be manipulated into all sorts of amusing foolishness. I really don't see Coyote wanting a war, either (or one happening in this comic, for that matter). Wars are boring; you've seen one, you've seen them all. And that's not to even to mention that there's no kind of way that Rey would do a 180 turn out of nowhere and suddenly decide to follow the "advice" of a doll psychopath. There's wild speculation and then there's complete non sequiturs. But does the Coyote have anything to do with Hetty? Maybe, though I wouldn't put any money on the proposal yet. I'm more inclined to think that any similarity is just a matter of Tom's art style, rather than hidden symbolism. |
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Post by SerenaJo on Jul 4, 2013 23:53:13 GMT
That one commenter is right. In Panel 5, she is most certainly sporting boots with the same general design and markings as Coyote's legs. This is getting increasingly suspicious. They seemed really familiar but my first thought was the old war horses around the court. Not sure why. I think... her stance is reminiscent of Coyote's prancing, and possibly the lines at the top of the boots. |
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Post by kendrick on Jul 10, 2013 20:06:19 GMT
Woah, hey. This has struck me as some pretty odd theorizing. Connections to Coyote in her color scheme? These things, assuming they're actually there, have only pointed to one thing in my opinion:
They're not there because she could be possessed by Coyote (who I'm fairly sure, for all his trickster-ness, wouldn't kill off Antimony. He's pretty much shown us that already. (It wouldn't give him amusement, Annie's already won some of his favor, that much is obvious, and don't you think he would risk never getting Renard back if he randomly did that? He's unpredictable, but there is literally no reason he should favor that outcome.)
They're more like binds. (Remember the knife?)
Hetty's had a run-in with Coyote.
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