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Post by snipertom on Jun 8, 2013 0:02:46 GMT
...that he could possess anything with eyes, even metaphorical eyes. Not that he can jump bodies, but needles have eyes. That's an interesting idea. I've been wondering, if he leaves an inanimate body, can he reenter it later? If he were allowed to leave his current body (made by Surma), will he be unable to return? There are a lot of unanswered question, in regards to Coyote's borrowed power. If plushy doll's eyes count, would a robot's? Apparently he can't go back to a body he's inhabited before www.formspring.me/gunnerkrigg/q/287301417I'm trying to find the answer where tom said that R can take over anything with eyes including potatoes but I can't find it! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 0:05:50 GMT
...that he could possess anything with eyes, even metaphorical eyes. Not that he can jump bodies, but needles have eyes. That's an interesting idea. I've been wondering, if he leaves an inanimate body, can he reenter it later? If he were allowed to leave his current body (made by Surma), will he be unable to return? There are a lot of unanswered question, in regards to Coyote's borrowed power. If plushy doll's eyes count, would a robot's? Undoubtedly so. Remember what happened to Robot? If Renard can possess a plush doll with beads for eyes, he can definitely take a body with optical sensors, be it a golem or a robot. What would be up in te air is whether or not A robit would "die" or still retain its mind. We know robots are generally removed from the Ether, but there is that weird part on the chip... |
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Post by aaroncampbell on Jun 8, 2013 1:15:10 GMT
Where are these needles that everyone is talking about? I've gone over every page in this chapter and can't for the life of me figure out what I missed. The only thing I can imagine is that people are seeing Rey's teeth in the second panel on this page and thinking he's holding needles in his mouth or something, but that would be an odd misconception to be so widely accepted... |
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Post by The Anarch on Jun 8, 2013 1:16:29 GMT
Where are these needles that everyone is talking about? It's the image next to the chapter listing. Scroll all the way down to the bottom of the main page and you'll see it. |
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Post by aaroncampbell on Jun 8, 2013 2:28:12 GMT
Where are these needles that everyone is talking about? It's the image next to the chapter listing. Scroll all the way down to the bottom of the main page and you'll see it. Thank you, Jim! No ambiguity there -- 25 assorted needles. Dang, now I'm on board the what-are-they-for train. Those needles are going to be poking the back of my mind all weekend.  |
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Post by TBeholder on Jun 8, 2013 12:14:08 GMT
Well, yeah, needles seem to be related to the plushie. Of course, it is Gunnerkrigg we talk about. It won't surprise me if, for example, Renard (on his way back from wherever he goes) will visit Jones, and we'll see a sewing kit and some half-made clothes on her table - without any explaining as to why they were here for the next 12 chapters or so. "Mystery solved!"  he can definitely take a body with optical sensors, be it a golem or a robot. What would be up in te air is whether or not A robit would "die" or still retain its mind. We know robots are generally removed from the Ether, but there is that weird part on the chip... But a Court robot is a golem. |
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Post by philman on Jun 8, 2013 13:57:04 GMT
He certainly seems to be steeling himself for whatever he is about to do, as if he really doesn't want to do it but feels like he has to.
Also does anyone else feel like the line "I may be back late tonight" reminds them a bit of the famous captain Oates "I'm just going outside, I may be some time". As in, they know they won't be coming back.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jun 8, 2013 15:47:55 GMT
That's an interesting idea. I've been wondering, if he leaves an inanimate body, can he reenter it later? If he were allowed to leave his current body (made by Surma), will he be unable to return? There are a lot of unanswered question, in regards to Coyote's borrowed power. If plushy doll's eyes count, would a robot's? Apparently he can't go back to a body he's inhabited before www.formspring.me/gunnerkrigg/q/287301417I'm trying to find the answer where tom said that R can take over anything with eyes including potatoes but I can't find it! That predated formspring, and happened on this very forum. Either the "Questions for Tom Part 2" thread, or the original questions for Tom thread which was subsequently renamed "Questions for Anyone Who Feels Like Answering". |
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Post by Georgie L on Jun 8, 2013 22:05:37 GMT
But a Court robot is a golem. They might have used to be, but they are currently neither golem or robot, but something part way between. They have no soul unlike a true golem. |
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Post by Lightice on Jun 8, 2013 22:18:16 GMT
But a Court robot is a golem. They might have used to be, but they are currently neither golem or robot, but something part way between. They have no soul unlike a true golem. The first generation of the Court robots were golems, but the robots designed by other robots rely on mechanical principles like any normal machine. However, first of all, the mythological golem did specifically not have a soul. Secondly, the Court robots express the same range of mental and emotional capacity as humans, so they are definately sapient. Thirdly, it's not clear if a "soul" in the conventional definition of the term even exists in the Gunnerkrigg universe; the way the Coyote explained things, sapience simply emerges from the Ether and then goes back to it at the moment of death, sometimes retaining its pattern for a while. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2013 0:19:13 GMT
Thank you, Lightice. I like that explanation a lot.
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Post by TBeholder on Jun 9, 2013 0:28:58 GMT
Also, their CPUs and golem-hearts are compatible enough that they just stuck an adapter on S1 - it can plug-n-play and even access higher functions of a deactivated golem's mind, remember?
It looks like they got much the same "golem core", only miniaturized, and interacting with the rest via some sort of "golem-to-IC" interface standard.
I.e. S13 had (robot bus)-(socket)-(GCPU interface)-(micro golem-core) and S1 had something like (handmade golem-core)-(golem bus)-(socket interface)-(GCPU interface)-(micro golem-core).
Technically, these guys are kind of cyborgs, except with "downsized golem" instead of "downsized human" as a control part.
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Post by philman on Jun 9, 2013 15:22:18 GMT
Hmm, what with Renard looking upset about what he is going to do, and the needles in the chapter title. Wondering whether he is going to get someone to un-pick the embroidered Antimony symbol on the front of the doll, which may mean he can switch to a new body again. (He said before that it was her symbol on the forehead of the doll which meant that it belonged to her and so he could not switch wasn't it?).
Not sure who would do that though. Maybe one of the robots if he told it that Kat told him to?
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Post by TBeholder on Jun 9, 2013 16:27:13 GMT
No, it's about ownership. The symbol only reflects this. Which is why Antimony was allowed to keep him - if someone takes the doll from her, Renard's "implicit contract" that came with it is void.
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Post by Ophel on Jun 10, 2013 2:07:25 GMT
I sense an air of defection. I also sense that it is going to be not happy.
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